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[thebruce]

ok I caught the line I'd been looking for: "hours in here were like minutes back home". Granted this was in reference to the earlier days of the system, by that gives a ratio in the range of 1:60.

Millions was only based on millisecond to 8 hours, which is just waaaay out.

If 1 millicycle ~ 8 hours
and 1 hour ~ 1 minute (very rough estimates as these are comparisons used in casual speak)

then 480 hours ~ 8 hours ~ 1 millicycle

If Flynn's been missing 20 years...
20 years (175,200 hours) ~ 10,512,000 hours ~ 1,314,000 millicycles = (if 1 millisecond = 1/1000 second) 1314 cycles.

20 years real world ~ 1300 'grid' cycles

This seems to be in line with the rough statements of things like "1000 cycles" and whatnot... and that Flynn's been in there a respectable 60 times the equivalent real-world.

This I can grock.
...not millions of years equivalent =P

[SoCalSteve]

I hope I don't come off as an ass by pushing the isue, because I feel like I am. But it was mentioned that flynn would spend a week in the computer and come back and no one would even notice as he'd been gone only a few minutes.

based off the 1000 times concept,1 week would be about 10 minutes.

[thebruce]

Where was the week to minutes comparison made? And was it used in casual speech with exaggeration or 'feeling' being the intention?

[SoCalSteve_]

time

[aesir]

I just went and saw the movie again. Flynn's line definitely says "one millicycle-- about eight hours."

If one millicycle feels like eight hours, then one cycle is 8000 hours.
That works out to 333 days. One cycle is just shy of a year.

In one of Castor's lines, which I won't quote entirely because it could be a slight spoiler, he says the time frame is "more than a thousand cycles."

So Disney's estimate is just about right, and Flynn has been where he's at for a thousand subjective years. No wonder he talks like an old hippie.

[thebruce]

"hours here were like minutes back home" ~Flynn
0.001 cycle ~ 8 hours
1000 cycles ~ 8,000,000 hours
~ 913 years
Disappears in '89 = 21 years
913/21 ~ 43

The time difference is likely somewhere ~ 1:40-50


(once again I'll say - definitely not millions of years =P)

[Vectoralpha]

made me think back to Terminator TV show when they tried to explain how the AI felt when it lost power and how long it felt to it..
It was a long death....

Flynn was 35yr old in 1982

[thebruce]

Which is interesting because by the way he looked in the grid, his aging was pretty much real-time... while he was digital for over 900 years, he appeared to age the 21 years he was missing in the real world.
Could he have also have found a method for life extension? (once again, sort of a digital Inception) hm

[SoCalSteve_]

[thebruce]

potato potahto.
point being, Flynn has been in there an equivalent of what feels like almost 1000 years, when in the physical non-digital world only 21 years has passed. His digital appearance reflects his real-world appearance, thus digitally he aged only 21 years over ~ 1000.
Of course he wasn't actually been in there for 1000 years. No one said that =P

[Vectoralpha]

I have worked with a lot interesting people and have always talked about time and how long it feels and how it can vary, one thing about time is..its no more real then money. It is relative to how you feel it.

Time can be long or short- waiting at an office or phone call time seems to take longer, doing something you like and "time flies"

[Broklynite]

Oh god, why are we doing this again? Look, on Disney's tron-game website where it game little trivia blips, one of them said that the subjective time had been 1000 years. End of Line.

Of course, by some rough calculations I did, if this were true, then in the original movie Flynn would have been gone for about an hour and a half real time. Which we know isn't true because the chair was still tipped when he was zapped, etc.

So, basically, they decided that it's their computer, their time rules.

Incidentally, the plot is at least partially stolen from a fairly old and obscure SF story about a guy who creates little creatures and manipulates their time span so that he can forcibly evolve them to intelligence, then make their technology evolve past that of man. I mean, it's really quite amazing what a ripoff the story is in a lot of ways.

[Rogi Ocnorb]

[Broklynite]

[RustyMuffler]

I don't think anything will ever solve this argument, but in the official Ultimate Movie Guide released by Disney through Titan, on pages 8-9, there is a Tron Timeline. "Years and Cycles - Catch Up With The Story Of Tron So Far..."

It states the following:

"Grid time proceeds faster than time in the outside world, racing at the speed of electrons, and measured in Tron Cycles. One year in the outside world equals approximately fifty Tron Cycles."

There is a timeline directly above this that states that:

"Tron Cycles 1-49 took place in 1983 when Kevin Flynn took control of Encom as CEO and when Sam was born. It states that this is the year that the Grid was constructed.

For 1985 (Tron Cycles 100-149) it states that Kevin began to spend less time on the Grid when his wife died in an accident and that this is when CLU begins to feel betrayed and abandoned.

1986 (Tron Cycles 150-199), the conflict between ISO's and Basics begins.

1990-2010 (Tron Cycles 350-1399), Kevin Flynn disappears and Sam is raised by his Grandparents and looked after by Alan Bradley."

So, by this officially released logic, Kevin spent exactly 1049 Tron Cycles trapped in the Grid. Now, it doesn't state that a Tron Cycle is at all equal to the same feeling of passage of time that a human would experience in a year. But going by Kevin's, "You have no idea" statement, you would have to think that this is the idea they were going for.

It also states under Kevin Flynn's bio that he is 59 years old in 2010. So... yeah. He would have been 31 in 1982.