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[FILM] Things to look for in TRON:Legacy
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blackfeathers
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thebruce wrote:
Re: 'Bits' in the pad

I posted this elsewhere... they're not the same geometric shape as the neutral bits, they're only reminiscent. The closest most recognizable shape here is the wooden desktop puzzles - a rhombic star
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpWlL3NUK-E


they're actually yoshimoto cubes. http://www.momastore.org/museum/moma/ProductDisplay_Yoshimoto%20Cube_10451_10001_45657

i'm surprised these weren't in the royal/t tron popup shop, which would fit in with the high-end tron-themed art of the place but i digress.

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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
I fixed the hidden Mickey reference on the IMDB trivia page and let the folks who never heard of Flynn Lives in on our little secret.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1104001/trivia


Actually, it was mentioned elsewhere here, though I can't remember where or in what thread - the logo wasn't created for the ARG; the logo was used in the ARG. Had to do with production schedules and whatnot. It's not a hidden mickey, no, but it's not specific to the ARG.
OTOH, the manner in which it's presented in the film (8 horizontal on top) does lend itself well to being seen as a hidden mickey.
So while the logo itself isn't specifically a mickey, and wasn't created for the ARG, it could still be considered a hidden mickey due to its orientation.
But I digress Smile First hand confirmation from Kosinski or someone on the inside would be optimal...

blackfeathers wrote:
they're actually yoshimoto cubes.
http://www.momastore.org/museum/moma/ProductDisplay_Yoshimoto%20Cube_10451_10001_45657

i'm surprised these weren't in the royal/t tron popup shop, which would fit in with the high-end tron-themed art of the place but i digress.


Neat! Ok - same geometric shape as the desktop puzzle, indeed appearing to be yoshimoto cubes, but not the geometric shape of the neutral bit. =)
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 		"Yeah. The "created for" part may have been a bit of a leap; But, I don't feel bad about it as the logo served absolutely no purpose and had no meaning in the film. Whereas, we got a nice clean explanation for it, though it may have been nothing more than an unused cinematic element.
Regardless... I've never seen a "stylized" or "looks kinda like" hidden Mickey.
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 		In that case, nice summary Smile (nevertheless I'd still just change 'created for' to perhaps 'used in' or 'seen within', just to be more precise, or less potentially wrong =)
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 		Re: [TROUT]
Euchre wrote:
ifmnetzwerk wrote:
also, when the arena fireworks start with the wide view, look to the left side of the screen where one of the fireworks burst out a bit shaped image.

Psst!
4 posts up:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=788911#788911
Trout


well sorry! goshes! >.<

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thebruce wrote:
First hand confirmation from Kosinski or someone on the inside would be optimal...
actually i believe the artists put hidden mickeys in the movie and challenged Joeseph and others to find them. i dont know them, but am wondering if someone like jay west might be able to get the scoop in an interview...

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blackfeathers wrote:
they're actually yoshimoto cubes.
so then does anyone know what clu holds? his are more like plastic "medicine balls"

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 		They're called baoding balls:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baoding_Balls
Made famous by Captain Queeg and later Jareth, the Goblin King.
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Euchre wrote:
They're called baoding balls:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baoding_Balls
Made famous by Captain Queeg and later Jareth, the Goblin King.


I think he was using them to make the battle floors switch

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mach1monorail wrote:


One last one that I didnt catch the first time was that during the flashback they never show Clu actually strike Tron with the disc...he just thrusts it toward Tron and it cuts to Flynn's reaction. In the scene in front of the portal when Clu discovers he has Quorra's disc and not Flynn's he recoils the disc and appears to almost kill Flynn (and in the same manner as he did to Tron in the flashback) but instead he smashes the disc into the ground. Seems like that's what he did during the fight with Tron as well.


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I have notice the Rinzler sound appears in the flashback as the camera is on Flynn right after CLU appears to strike Tron. We may never know if or where CLU hit TRON


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Euchre wrote:
They're called baoding balls:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baoding_Balls
Made famous by Captain Queeg and later Jareth, the Goblin King.
I think he was using them to make the battle floors switch
that was my thoughts exactly.

Also, i think they are more than just baoding balls, they are black with a white ring and oranges lights inside.

On a side note, since we've located Flynns toys (thanks to blackfeathers), unless someone can locate CLU's toys, I'd like to see if we can make some. Anyone interested?

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 		relevant to this thread but not in the immediate discussion:

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i haven't seen this discussed anywhere but one potential for a future sequel they could address is that sam's necklace chip possibly still contains encom's os 12 master file copies, as well as whatever he downloaded from his father's server.

some things they could do with this concept:
they could use that as a plot device or component, having whatever is in that chip interacting with each other in some way. it could rebuild or integrate the grid and have the option of bringing back kevin flynn. after all, the original flynn code was the foundation of os 12.

if the rumours of dillinger jr. are true, they could create an mcp 2.0 type character from the locked-down os as a security program in his likeness. integrating or injecting a new os 12 world with the grid from legacy could be a possibility, resulting in new designs and interactions. they can even use that video of marv the dog as a grid prank on the new mcp to parallel the real world event.

just to cover bases as a fellow wordplayer reader: i know that some writers like to purposely avoid topics that have been speculated by fans for legal reasons. however, just speculating here as a fan and i won't sue disney or the writers if they touch on these seemingly extrapolated ideas. just saying it seems that these story elements are plausible. Smile


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blackfeathers wrote:
relevant to this thread but not in the immediate discussion:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
i haven't seen this discussed anywhere but one potential for a future sequel they could address is that sam's necklace chip possibly still contains encom's os 12 master file copies, as well as whatever he downloaded from his father's server.

some things they could do with this concept:
they could use that as a plot device or component, having whatever is in that chip interacting with each other in some way. it could rebuild or integrate the grid and have the option of bringing back kevin flynn. after all, the original flynn code was the foundation of os 12.

if the rumours of dillinger jr. are true, they could create an mcp 2.0 type character from the locked-down os as a security program in his likeness. integrating or injecting a new os 12 world with the grid from legacy could be a possibility, resulting in new designs and interactions. they can even use that video of marv the dog as a grid prank on the new mcp to parallel the real world event.

just to cover bases as a fellow wordplayer reader: i know that some writers like to purposely avoid topics that have been speculated by fans for legal reasons. however, just speculating here as a fan and i won't sue disney or the writers if they touch on these seemingly extrapolated ideas. just saying it seems that these story elements are plausible. Smile


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lets not forget Rinzler/TRON lost his disc in the fight on the tower and then fell in to the Sea of Simulation and the last shot in the grid show was of the shore during the explosion and everything above the water was whipped out but the water was calm.
I agree the left hints about Dillinger JR and that fact Sam had his dad disc when he went back might mean Kevin is on the sim card and that's why he has it around his neck. Flynn OS 12 was put on the net and Alan did download it when he showed everyone his Ipad. Oh side note I notice in the first TRON movie they used Apple IIe same ones they used in LOST


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 		Regarding the chip around Sam's neck, consider Moore's Law, which states (roughly) that the effective size and power of computers doubles every two years... a fact that has remained generally true since the mid sixties. Given that, a computer that was state of the art in 1989 would be roughly a THOUSAND times smaller in 2010. It's conceivable that the chip in question, which really is comparable to a thumb drive in terms of its size, could possibly contain the entirety of the server. In retrospect, could Sam afford NOT to copy everything? His dad could be anywhere, and probably wouldn't be a recognizable filename in the system (I doubt that he assigned a 'k_flynn.dat' file to store himself when he hopped into the system)... but Encom's servers could make short work of the data in that system, and possibly secure Kevin's data for eventual extraction.

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 		If we're getting technical, we don't even know the nature of the 'data' the consists of Kevin's disc and/or 'programming' (as he'd appear in the system). Assuming memories, thoughts processes, essentially the genetic digital code that needs to be stored...

So I guess the question is... what was the nature of the process of creating Kevin's "likeness"? Why is "reintegration" the only way to beat CLU? What is the nature of the "reintegration" process? And what happens to the 'program' (user or not) data during the "integration" process?

In what form is the remaining data that comprised Kevin and Clu? (morphed? corrupted? erased?) Is Kevin's original digital-dna source code still available in some fashion? (reverse engineering the 'reintegration' result?)

What is the 'light'?
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