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Wait, where did that camera come from?
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Acora
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Rather Dashing wrote:
Certainly Alex has been caught on tape. However, perhaps Slender man/the Operator just didn't know just which cameras to look through.
But that implies that a seemingly omnipotent and omniscient eldritch abomination who can teleport so that one second he's behind you and the next he's in front of you doesn't know which camera to look at. Doesn't seem very fitting to me. I'm more inclined to accept that there's something about that camera or that film.

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 		If the tape from Entry #26 was recorded by Amy. Then how did TTA get access to it afterwards to plant it on Jay? You could argue that Amy is TTA, but why would the person who is TTA reveal themselves just like that? It's not in character at all.

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PortableMuskrat wrote:
If the tape from Entry #26 was recorded by Amy. Then how did TTA get access to it afterwards to plant it on Jay? You could argue that Amy is TTA, but why would the person who is TTA reveal themselves just like that? It's not in character at all.
Well, there's always the theory that Alex was (one of the) TTA(s), so....

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Acora wrote:
PortableMuskrat wrote:
If the tape from Entry #26 was recorded by Amy. Then how did TTA get access to it afterwards to plant it on Jay? You could argue that Amy is TTA, but why would the person who is TTA reveal themselves just like that? It's not in character at all.
Well, there's always the theory that Alex was (one of the) TTA(s), so....


Makdee wrote:
If Alex was ToTheArk, it would lead to inconsistencies with the prologue, Entry 13/Exit Video, and Entry 26. I've numbered the inconsistencies and then labeled the severity of the inconsistency in case you wish to make a counter argument.


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Inconsistencies with the Prologue:
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#1 Strong Inconsistency
Quote:

he just said he never wanted to work with the footage again. He was completely serious about this. I couldn't understand why he'd just want to get rid of it completely.


He should have gotten rid of all footage from Marble Hornets. ToTheArk had footage from Marble Hornets, meaning he was probably related to its production, but not Alex.

#2 Medium
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He transferred to an out of state school soon after that and I haven't seen him since.


He moved out of state. ToTheArk was still in the area. It is doubtful Alex would move back.


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Inconsistencies with Entry 13/Exit Video:
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The inconsistencies Between Entry 13 and the Exit Video are mainly due to timing.

#3 Strong
The cuts in Entry 13 can be explained by him trying to conserve the battery. This in conjunction with his behavior points to these events being early in the time line. Thus, Alex probably was not paranoid enough to back track and spy on Jay.

#4 Medium
Additionally, if Alex back tracked to film Jay it is doubtful he would have had enough time film Entry 13 as Jay was seen running back.

#5 Medium
You may say that it is likely that the events of Entry 13 were filmed before the Exit Video and that Alex back tracked after filming the events in Entry 13. Indeed, the fact that the beginning of the video shows him walking to the car would seem to support this hypothesis.

However, if you look at his hands you can see that he is trying to find the proper key to open the car door. There is a noticeable pause of him unlocking the car door to support this. Additionally, after finding the key he can be seen taking a few jogging steps towards the car. This along with him jogging back after getting the battery/camera supports the hypothesis that he jogged to get the extra battery/camera from the car and only slowing down as he approached the car to get the key out.

In order for Alex to have enough time to film Entry 13, he could not have back tracked Jay. Thus the Exit Video was filmed by a third party. This was probably ToTheArk as he has access to the footage.


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Inconsistencies with Entry 26:
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#6 Strong
When confronted by the girl about the camera in Entry 26 he seemed surprised. This further supports that he did not keep any footage of Marble Hornets. He apparently thought he got rid of the camera in addition to the footage. As stated in the prologue, he wanted nothing to do with that footage.

#7 Weak
The tone of the conversation with the girl hints at him living in that location with her for a while. Probably in the same state he moved to after the events in Marble Hornets. ToTheArk was obviously in the same area as Jay.


EDIT: Also to quote myself from the "[CHARACTER] Brian" thread:

PortableMuskrat wrote:
So, sorry for the bump, but I didn't feel it necessary to make a new thread.

I've been thinking about it and as the whole series stand right now I'm putting my money on Brian being ToTheArk. Reason being, he's the up there as one of the characters we know the LEAST about, but even with that as a fact, we've seen him in some of the earliest entries. He was introduced early. He's also very suspicious because he never seems to be around and not only is he just "not around." No one has a clue where he is.

I like this theory better than the one about him being killed off, which I'm pretty sure is quite popular. I've never really seen this get brought up before. It would fit the content that came of the first half of TTA videos. TTA did in fact reveal to us that Tim was a masky at one point (if you like the mutliple maskies theory) or is masky (if you like the single masky theory).

Concerning the drastic change of how the TTA videos looked after that though is hard to explain. Maybe Brian got replaced some how? Who knows.


This is actually really getting me thinking...

From: "TTA: Missed Connections:"

Dray wrote:
As much as they use the term, 'the ark' with apparent impunity, we don't see much about the bible otherwise. Or at least, I haven't seen many conclusions drawn that were pulled from it. Anyways, 25-1-13-1

Sylocat wrote:
Advocate: This gives us the code for the previous video, after showing us the words "TICK TOCK" because apparently it's a binary clock. It's playing over footage that appears to be extra footage from Entry 7 (though not actually in Entry 7), and the YouTube description reads "00110111," which is "7" in ASCII.
Interesting that he chose to give us this one after the interview with Tim...


Going back to this, it could all be that it was some allusion that time ran out for Brian. Or that it is in the process of running out for Brian. Tim mentions that he was Brian's friend so, knowing that he's TTA (or at least assuming that he is), it could be some hint that he's looking for Brian, but that time is short. On the other hand, since we never see evidence that Tim and Brian were on friendly terms, and we know that TTA is pretty messed up, Tim could have been lying outright. Maybe he killed Brian -- his time ran out already?


My theory: What if Brian and Tim worked together at one point as TTA? Consider this: The first series of TTA videos are the work of Brian. In the latter of them, TTA starts to give out Tim's identity as Masky. Even before that TTA was always pointing the finger at Tim. What if Tim did something (killing is drastic) to replace Brian as TTA? This could explain the change in the video style. It could also explain why TTA started saying come to "me" at the house (when Tim as masky was there). This could also explain the use of other words such as "we" and "us".

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 		Well, I have to say, that is the most thorough debunking of anything I've ever said, ever. Thanks, though, it's good to know.

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 		Know, when that entry first came out, I disliked the plant theory, but it really makes the most sense to me now. Paticularly given my belief that the different masky variations we've seen can be attributed to surviving cast members who've been out of contact with Alex who have some knowledge of the operator that neither Jay nor Alex possess.
Jay complies to their or his prompts, following clues, even if he doesn't understand them, or he did before his memory got so bad. Alex on the otherhand, distanced himself as much as possible from any traces of slendy, for all we know, TTA/masky/magic-sideburns had been trying to contact/provoke Alex too. It seems likely to me that the camera was somehing too drastic to have been done if it wasn't a final warning... That or something done maliciously.

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badluckshadow13 wrote:
Know, when that entry first came out, I disliked the plant theory, but it really makes the most sense to me now. Paticularly given my belief that the different masky variations we've seen can be attributed to surviving cast members who've been out of contact with Alex who have some knowledge of the operator that neither Jay nor Alex possess.
Jay complies to their or his prompts, following clues, even if he doesn't understand them, or he did before his memory got so bad. Alex on the otherhand, distanced himself as much as possible from any traces of slendy, for all we know, TTA/masky/magic-sideburns had been trying to contact/provoke Alex too. It seems likely to me that the camera was somehing too drastic to have been done if it wasn't a final warning... That or something done maliciously.
To be honest, while I agree that it's possible and maybe even likely that there are multiple Maskies, I don't think it/them is benevolent or even completely sane. If they were benevolent, they wouldn't have led Slendy to Jay in the Return video, and for some reason, just the way the first/only one attacks Jay in the house, and the complete confusion of their videos makes them seem a bit... unhuman, I guess would be the best term.

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 		I don't think the camera is what "summoned" slendy, mainly because of hwo frequently cameras are around these days. Although I'm intrigued by the idea that the tape was part of what drew him there. Slendy upset cause Alex's new gf is taping over the sex tape wedding video they made 3 years earlier?

I think the "summoning" happened more due to the fact that Alex was clearly freaked out by seeing the camera, knowing everything that happened. So the camera may have been a catalyst, but I think the trigger was something to do with Alex, and maybe seeing the camera brought forward a vietnam flashback

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JKatkina wrote:
fullroundaction wrote:
Alex being recorded and thus summoning Slendy doesn't even make sense to begin with. He's been recorded by hundreds of cameras incidentally since dumping the MH tapes on J.

And since Slendy has been seen through many different cameras I think we can rule this one a red herring.


No, you know what, this is legit and I never thought of it before. Can a person really go years without ever even once being caught on video? We've got security cameras every-freaking-where nowadays, not even to mention random people on streets with cameraphones these days.

I still think having Alex caught on film did summon the Operator, considering how immediately he showed up after Amy started filming the boy. However, it makes me wonder if there really is something about THAT particular camera.

Perhaps its the fact that the camera caught slenderman.

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 		Hurr durr, responding to a quote in a previous post. XD

Makdee wrote:
In order for Alex to have enough time to film Entry 13, he could not have back tracked Jay. Thus the Exit Video was filmed by a third party. This was probably ToTheArk as he has access to the footage.


I'm not sure why that means that Alex couldn't have backtracked, but I admit you have brought up some good points. Especially the fact that if it was earlier in the filming, than he might not have been paranoid enough to film his friend.

However, suggesting that TTA had been active that early in the game seems really strange. We don't have any indication that Alex was beset by a TTA-style or Masky-style antagonist, and suggesting that Tim or whoever was lurking in the bushes filming Jay early enough in the game that Alex wasn't paranoid enough to keep the camera running all the time would have very broad implications as to just how in the know TTA is. It would mean that he's been dealing with the Operator way longer than anyone else... which would be interesting, but frankly we have no other evidence that TTA was around before the time when Jay was going through Alex's tapes. Or, indeed, that anyone else in the area was Operator-savvy enough to be videoing themselves constantly.

It could be that the scenes where Alex is looking at the building and the field with the measuring lines on it, and the Operator sighting, were from another day. We don't have any textual exposition on #13, except for the video description "I was close by" which to me seems to make this thing even more freakin' mysterious.

tl;dr I acknowledge that there are a lot of problems with Alex having filmed Jay from the bushes, but suggest that at this point it's still the most compelling theory. Otherwise we have a very, VERY early TTA.

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My theory: What if Brian and Tim worked together at one point as TTA? Consider this: The first series of TTA videos are the work of Brian. In the latter of them, TTA starts to give out Tim's identity as Masky. Even before that TTA was always pointing the finger at Tim. What if Tim did something (killing is drastic) to replace Brian as TTA? This could explain the change in the video style. It could also explain why TTA started saying come to "me" at the house (when Tim as masky was there). This could also explain the use of other words such as "we" and "us".


I actually like this rationale for the differing TTA styles. However, the choice of Brian seems arbitrary and unsupported by anything other than "well, there's no reason for it NOT to be him". I guess in the Marble Hornets universe, that's not bad, but... haha, I don't know. If it's Brian, it might as well be Seth, or Sarah, or some random other person we've never heard of. But having two people working on TTA, and then Tim/Masky replacing the original TTA partway through when the videos get more threatening, is an appealing thought exercise.

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JKatkina wrote:


PortableMuskrat wrote:

My theory: What if Brian and Tim worked together at one point as TTA? Consider this: The first series of TTA videos are the work of Brian. In the latter of them, TTA starts to give out Tim's identity as Masky. Even before that TTA was always pointing the finger at Tim. What if Tim did something (killing is drastic) to replace Brian as TTA? This could explain the change in the video style. It could also explain why TTA started saying come to "me" at the house (when Tim as masky was there). This could also explain the use of other words such as "we" and "us".


I actually like this rationale for the differing TTA styles. However, the choice of Brian seems arbitrary and unsupported by anything other than "well, there's no reason for it NOT to be him". I guess in the Marble Hornets universe, that's not bad, but... haha, I don't know. If it's Brian, it might as well be Seth, or Sarah, or some random other person we've never heard of. But having two people working on TTA, and then Tim/Masky replacing the original TTA partway through when the videos get more threatening, is an appealing thought exercise.


Seth is actually a very good possibility as well! After all, he was a camera man.

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 		The way I took it was seeing the cameras drug up his thoughts of SM and thus brought him back into play. He put the whole SM things out of mind and it got better. Now that cameras is pointed back at him and hes being made to talk about it which will drag up all those related thoughts. If she had just put it away or not mentioned where it came from he may not have made the mental link that brought him right back to the point he was with SM when he packed it in.

As for the camera I've always assumed he kept his camera and forgot there was a tape in it. He gets completely frustrated and scared, throws it all in the closet. Then months later someone asks about the tapes and he hands them the sack/box/container of tapes forgetting the one in the camera.

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PortableMuskrat wrote:

My theory: What if Brian and Tim worked together at one point as TTA? Consider this: The first series of TTA videos are the work of Brian. In the latter of them, TTA starts to give out Tim's identity as Masky. Even before that TTA was always pointing the finger at Tim. What if Tim did something (killing is drastic) to replace Brian as TTA? This could explain the change in the video style. It could also explain why TTA started saying come to "me" at the house (when Tim as masky was there). This could also explain the use of other words such as "we" and "us".


Maybe Brian was in a simular situation as Jay is now earlier on, but he couldn't lead TTA to the ark and so his time ran out.

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 		What if somehow the slender man is partially caught inside of the tapes/ data? This part calls to him after that, and make him focus on whoever took the video. When Alex rid himself of the tapes it seems that slender man either lost interest or couldn't find him. When his girl friend came in with the camera loaded with SM footage and started filming him, it alerted the slender man that Alex was near a part of him again. This could be where Brian has gone, if there are two maskys, one chases after Alex, one after J.

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 		Alex is not a malicious person. Why sell it when it could potentially mean that slendy would get them too? I mean, it may not actually be the case that slendy lives/is attracted by that camera or anything..

But if I were Alex, I'd feel like I'd be selling something dangerous.. So I wouldn't sell it. I'd pretend like it never existed.
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