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Brauley1 wrote:
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Not really, that's why I made other points. My mind works that way though, but yeah.

OT: I hear NZ is awesome, my friend keeps going back there and jumping off of things (skydiving and that thing you do off that tower your have). I LIKE SHEEP Very Happy


I seeeeeeee.

OT: NZ is immensely awesome hahahaha. Auckland Skytower FTW!


OT: Lies. Sydney forever. Very Happy
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Radiolab Hope
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Hi everyone. I discovered MH around the time of entry #32 and I've been lurking a while. I couldn't find any convincing decipherments of the garbled voice audio in entry #29 so I decided to geek out at it myself. The results are attached. They're much more conservatively processed than the aggressively denoised clips that I've seen.

The first passage around 30-40 seconds into the entry says first Help Jessica and then, in my opinion, Monica. "Help Jessica" was an advance clue: at that point we did not yet know she needs help. Everyone seems to have missed that one. But "Monica"? If I'm really hearing it right, it must be another reference to something to come. What do you think?

The second passage likely says Fresh blood, just at the moment when the cameraman (is there a consensus that it's Jay?) is handling a bloody cloth. Unlike the first passage, this one did not play in reverse.
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Radiolab Hope wrote:
Hi everyone. I discovered MH around the time of entry #32 and I've been lurking a while. I couldn't find any convincing decipherments of the garbled voice audio in entry #29 so I decided to geek out at it myself. The results are attached. They're much more conservatively processed than the aggressively denoised clips that I've seen.

The first passage around 30-40 seconds into the entry says first Help Jessica and then, in my opinion, Monica. "Help Jessica" was an advance clue: at that point we did not yet know she needs help. Everyone seems to have missed that one. But "Monica"? If I'm really hearing it right, it must be another reference to something to come. What do you think?

The second passage likely says Fresh blood, just at the moment when the cameraman (is there a consensus that it's Jay?) is handling a bloody cloth. Unlike the first passage, this one did not play in reverse.


Wow, nice man! I definitely hear the name "Monica" whispered towards the end of the first passage as well (without you even needing to suggest thats what is being said). This leads me to believe that this video is from the 7 month blackout and that J and Jessica were in contact during that period as well.

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Radiolab Hope wrote:
Hi everyone. I discovered MH around the time of entry #32 and I've been lurking a while. I couldn't find any convincing decipherments of the garbled voice audio in entry #29 so I decided to geek out at it myself. The results are attached. They're much more conservatively processed than the aggressively denoised clips that I've seen.

The first passage around 30-40 seconds into the entry says first Help Jessica and then, in my opinion, Monica. "Help Jessica" was an advance clue: at that point we did not yet know she needs help. Everyone seems to have missed that one. But "Monica"? If I'm really hearing it right, it must be another reference to something to come. What do you think?

The second passage likely says Fresh blood, just at the moment when the cameraman (is there a consensus that it's Jay?) is handling a bloody cloth. Unlike the first passage, this one did not play in reverse.


Definitely heard "Jessica". I'm not doubting they knew each other during the 7 month blackout, but if that's really what it's saying, then that confirms it. Dunno about the others. Kinda heard fresh blood though.

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Aleksei
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I don't feel like reading through 20 pages for the same post, but has anyone noticed that the distortion in the tunnel is similar to the distortion in Advocate?

Probably just coincidence, though.

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12th
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Bump for reopening discussion on where this entry fits in light of the end of season2.

IMO, I have an outsider theory that following Jay's EPICTACKLE of the Operator, he was sort of teleported back to Rosswood to conduct some of the things we see in entry 29. At the end of entry 52, Jay at this point has the chestcam and handcam. It takes some retroactive bending of time, which I agree the story has not really established as being part of the supernatural elements (unless you count entry #22's time warping, but that was only forward in a small period of time, not several weeks).

Regardless, Jay records some aftermath of an Operator sacrifice (whether that's Bruce or someone else) - and then the Operator returns to put Jay back where/when he took him from. Following this Jay has enough cognizance to upload the entry onto his harddrive, replace the cameras and crash the hell out.

I would also like to suggest that entry 29 is possibly intentionally NOT supposed to fit in with any continuity, given the file title of "noentry". It can't be an entry because it doesn't make sense within the flow of linear time.

EDIT: Need to put in an essential word in my theory
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Yeah, I still don't get why the file is named "noentry". I always just took it as whoever made it saying "Don't post this as an entry on Youtube, okay?"

But now it could end up meaning more than that.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:08 pm
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12th wrote:
Bump for reopening discussion on where this entry fits in light of the end of season2.

IMO, I have an outsider theory that following Jay's EPICTACKLE of the Operator, he was sort of teleported back to Rosswood to conduct some of the things we see in entry 29. At the end of entry 52, Jay at this point has the chestcam and handcam. It takes some retroactive bending of time, which I agree the story has not really established as being part of the supernatural elements (unless you count entry #22's time warping, but that was only forward in a small period of time, not several weeks).

Regardless, Jay records some aftermath of an Operator sacrifice (whether that's Bruce or someone else) - and then the Operator returns to put Jay back where/when he took him from. Following this Jay has enough cognizance to upload the entry onto his harddrive, replace the cameras and crash the hell out.

I would also like to suggest that entry 29 is possibly intentionally NOT supposed to fit in with any continuity, given the file title of "noentry". It can't be an entry because it doesn't make sense within the flow of linear time.


I had the same theory (http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=910385#910385). It makes even more sense when considering the twitpics that predicted the events in Entry 52 weeks before anyone could have posted them.

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Check people said they her names in the video.

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aidansean
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Looking back at the season 2 timeline reminded me that this entry is still considered to be a bit of a mystery for some people. If we look carefully we can find all the answers in Entry #52. Alex filmed this footage because that's the only way to be consistent with the following facts:

The footage was taken before Entry #27 was released.
Whoever filmed the footage had the chestcam and a handheld camera.
The footage ended up on Jay's laptop with the name "noentry".

Until Entry #52, Alex has the chestcam. In Entry #52 Jay takes the chestcam. The next morning he wakes up and Entry #27 takes place. That means that the only time Jay would have had to film this was the night he was mindraped by the operator.

We already know that Alex wasn't totally lucid in Entry #49 (as he thought a complete stranger was Jay.) In Entry #49 he wore the chestcam to monitor what he did in his fugue state. When he got home he copied the footage to his hard drive, and saw what happened that day. He then went back to the tunnel once he realised something bad had happened, and he took two cameras. (Why two? Back to that later...)

He gets to the tunnel as fast as he can, and gets interrupted by the operator. The footage gets stuck there. He realises Jay probably saw the murder of Bruce, that there's evidence of the murder, and he decides it's time that Jay has to go (Jessica too.) Things go wrong and Jay ends up stealing the hard drive and chestcam from Alex's car.

In Entry #52 Jay puts the hard drive and all the tapes in the safe, but does not put the chestcam in there. He keeps it outside the safe, with his laptop. He decides to wear the chestcam, but now he has a problem- he has to take the footage off the chestcam to make space for new footage, but he needs to do that without deleting the footage, and without putting it somewhere he'll find it if his memory gets wiped. So he copies the footage across to the only place he has available- his laptop hard drive. He puts on the chestcam and that night his memory is wiped, and next morning he finds this footage on his laptop, with a mysterious message from pastJay that he shouldn't upload the footage.

Why did Alex take two cameras? We know from entries #64 and #65 that the handheld cams are less susceptible to interference than the chestcam (compare what Jay's camera and Tim's camera see in the same locations) but that the chestcam is waterproof. To get footage that survives the slendyverse the chestcam is needed. To get footage in this world the handheld cameras are more reliable. It's possible Alex wanted to make himself look innocent too, as he did with the 2006 tapes when he gave them to Jay.

There we go. The only explanation that is consistent with what we know from season 2.

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aidansean wrote:
Looking back at the season 2 timeline reminded me that this entry is still considered to be a bit of a mystery for some people. If we look carefully we can find all the answers in Entry #52. Alex filmed this footage because that's the only way to be consistent with the following facts:

The footage was taken before Entry #27 was released.
Whoever filmed the footage had the chestcam and a handheld camera.
The footage ended up on Jay's laptop with the name "noentrpy".

Until Entry #52, Alex has the chestcam. In Entry #52 Jay takes the chestcam. The next morning he wakes up and Entry #27 takes place. That means that the only time Jay would have had to film this was the night he was mindraped by the operator.

We already know that Alex wasn't totally lucid in Entry #49 (as he thought a complete stranger was Jay.) In Entry #49 he wore the chestcam to monitor what he did in his fugue state. When he got home he copied the footage to his hard drive, and saw what happened that day. He then went back to the tunnel once he realised something bad had happened, and he took two cameras. (Why two? Back to that later...)

He gets to the tunnel as fast as he can, and gets interrupted by the operator. The footage gets stuck there. He realises Jay probably saw the murder of Bruce, that there's evidence of the murder, and he decides it's time that Jay has to go (Jessica too.) Things go wrong and Jay ends up stealing the hard drive and chestcam from Alex's car.

In Entry #52 Jay puts the hard drive and all the tapes in the safe, but does not put the chestcam in there. He keeps it outside the safe, with his laptop. He decides to wear the chestcam, but now he has a problem- he has to take the footage off the chestcam to make space for new footage, but he needs to do that without deleting the footage, and without putting it somewhere he'll find it if his memory gets wiped. So he copies the footage across to the only place he has available- his laptop hard drive. He puts on the chestcam and that night his memory is wiped, and next morning he finds this footage on his laptop, with a mysterious message from pastJay that he shouldn't upload the footage.

Why did Alex take two cameras? We know from entries #64 and #65 that the handheld cams are less susceptible to interference than the chestcam (compare what Jay's camera and Tim's camera see in the same locations) but that the chestcam is waterproof. To get footage that survives the slendyverse the chestcam is needed. To get footage in this world the handheld cameras are more reliable. It's possible Alex wanted to make himself look innocent too, as he did with the 2006 tapes when he gave them to Jay.

There we go. The only explanation that is consistent with what we know from season 2.


aidansean and I had a pretty lengthy PM conversation about this before deciding to necro the thread and put this mystery to bed. I think this is almost definitely what happened. Alex must have filmed Entry 29. I still think that everyone is a victim, and that when The Operator appears or is close by, humans nearby who have not taken any of Tim's medication or a similar anti-seizure medication have their brainwaves overloaded by what I refer to as a slenderEMP effect. They blackout, similar to say, someone who has had too much to drink. They are in the moment only, functioning and responding only to what is going on immediately around them - different people function better or worse in this situation - but will not have any memory of what they did during this time. We have seen many instances of panic caused by The Operator's appearance... I think this is because they immediately forget why they are where they are, why they are with who they are with, etc. - blackout panic.

Going off of this, Entry 49 has Alex panicking, possibly not remembering why he came to the tunnel. Perhaps he sat there for ages because he taught himself a simple phrase to focus on, i.e. "go to the tunnel, remember why you're here", which he repeats to himself as he journeys there in an attempt to uncover answers. A distraction from your duties could indeed cause you to forget why you are where you are at all; Alex is distracted by Jay's presence and even the distraction could be enough make him start to get very confused. When Alex is confused, he gets scared and angry, i.e. angrily repeating "stop following me" and finally blackout panic sets in and he kills Bruce. He panicked and flees as The Operator hides the evidence... why would he want his favorite plaything to get in trouble for murder?

Viewing the footage later, he feels regret and panic, not remembering murder. He returns immediately, finds the bloody shirt, TO steps in. It's relatively simple actually. He doesn't remember, he watches the footage of him killing Bruce, so he returns to confirm etc. Also he might have gone back to try and hide the body if he maybe didn't believe TO actually teleported it away.

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This was one of my favorite entries so I'm glad you necroed it aldansean. This entry always bothered me because I could never figure it out (and its extremely eerie), but you're therory seems about right. The only problem is you can see jays hoody, however it's probally just an OOG error. One point I'd like to make is that when the footage is all speedy running through the woods, the same thing happened in the recent entry when Jessica walked to the other side of the tunnel. But I think someone should update the wiki dot as the series progresses. When I re watch the series I notice things are answered while other theories are archaic. I also would like to ask questions about some entries but I don't want to necro them.
Oh and also I think this entry is suppose to pay homage to evil dead

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Necro away, it can help others.

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searchanddestroy wrote:
The only problem is you can see jays hoody, however it's probally just an OOG error


Hmm, I must have missed that bit. Can you give a timestamp for when it's visible?

EDIT: Ah, I see it, around 0:35. It looks like Jay's hoody, but it could be Alex's clothes too. It's just a dark blue sleeve.

In my previous post I forgot to mention the following: If Jay took this footage then he would be able to match it up with footage from the handheld camera. Since he can't match it up, the handheld camera in the video isn't his.

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Yeah, I'm super sure it is Alex so if you can actually provide evidence contrary to that I would be quite interested. Realistically though I can't imagine how Jay could've had the chestcam for him to film this, let alone show up while the bloody shirt was still there and fresh. The only plausible explanation is Alex, and the timing makes perfect sense as explained by aidansean/myself.

Also, OOG:
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This Entry seems like obvious foreshadowing used by Troy to make us wonder whose bloody shirt it was and whose blood it was. Given that its Entry 29 and the season started at 27, I daresay this Entry is basically filler to build tension. That said, it is a proper Entry and Troy would not have put it in if it was not a plausibly taped occurrence. It is canon and thus it can be explained.


And to me, it was obvious given a little research and digging that it must have been filmed by Alex. Jay would have probably been too afraid to return to investigate after what he witnessed, and more importantly, I don't think he so closely encountered the Operator at this point in the chronology or his memory would've been fucked over way before 52, and he doesn't really exhibit those symptoms.

Anyway, unless someone can actually show some reason for us to question it, I'm going to say it must have been Alex who filmed it given the evidence we have at this point. It seems quite straightforward to me honestly, and I'm surprised people act like and claim it is one of the big mysteries of the whole series.

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