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[DHawk314]

I'm not overcomplicating it, it's an overcomplicated theory. It doesn't really make sense that Jay would have any of the footage that's in the weird videos uploaded to his channel, but it makes perfect sense for totheark to have it. Saying "Oh, totheark gave Jay all the footage" seems odd to me. I mean, if totheark gave Jay the videos so Jay could upload them, then they might as well be totheark's videos anyway, despite Jay technically uploading them in a trance. And if they're totheark's videos anyway then it seems like whole theory kinda loses it's original meaning; that the videos were made by Jay. They can't have been made by Jay, even if they technically could have been uploaded by Jay.

So what's even the point of the theory? To try to explain why some weird stuff happened to Jay around the time totheark hacked his channel? Well of course weird stuff was happening to him then, it would impossible for it not to be, because weird stuff is always happening to Jay. Jay's life is a continuous stream of weird stuff, just because his weird slendertrance and his weird channel hacking happened near each other doesn't mean they're the same thing. As for Jay being sick and acting weird, that puts him in the same category as every other character being stalked by the Operator.

[Starkley]

I just want to say, why does everyone think Totheark needs 1337 hacking skills to get into Jay's account? Jay isn't Jay-son Bourne. Totheark - or someone - was easily able to get the combination to his safe. Maybe vigilant stalking allows Totheark to get Jay's password in the same exact way. Jay records everything he does, so maybe just going through footage even. It's not unfeasible for Totheark to get the password - it's been proven IG.

Also, Jay is always moving his location, it doesn't necessarily mean that his paranoia is justified. Because he's always paranoid.

Hell, maybe the pills are sedatives and all they really do is drug Jay and sneak onto his account while he's out of it. (Obviously a joke, we know that weird shit goes down in Jay's trances from "Return" and #24.)

[SheWhoSlaysMonsters]

So, I've said it in one topic and I'll say it again. Everybody really just needs to take a step back and look at all of the clues we have AS THEY ARE. Not necessarily EVERYTHING has to be an elaborate, over-complicated mess of red herrings and twists. Actually, I think MOST of the things in this game are not as complicated as most people seem to think! Sometimes, even in a game like this, things can be pretty much as they seem.

In very specific cases, I could see Jay at one point being a member of ToTheArk. But, not during the in-game timeline. If he was ever part of the group (which I like to think of as a sort of vigilante group trying to protect those uninformed of the Slenderman, while still keeping them uninformed of him, thus the vagueness in their videos), it's very far in the past at this point.

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[Starkley]

[SheWhoSlaysMonsters]

Honestly, my main reason for thinking that Jay is not a member of TTA is because it just unnecessarily complicates SO many things story-wise. We have to think of this just as much as a story as a real-life situation.

The only compromise I can think to make is that maybe Jay DID post the videos and pictures onto his account that he claims not to have while under a trance. But, that DOES NOT make him part of TTA. A member of TTA could have knocked him out, fed him pills, and made him upload it. But, even that seems a little over-complicated to me rather than just finding out Jay's password and posting them themselves.

[DHawk314]

Look, here's my real problem with the theory. Jay always says whenever something like this happens "Someone hijacked my account." It's a simple explanation, and it's what Jay, our narrator, has told us. Now I'm not saying everything Jay theorizes about is true. He's not an omniscient narrator. But Trosephim uses Jay's narration to forward the plot all the time, and if Jay was wrong about something it would make that piece of narration a red herring.

I'm willing to believe something Jay said was wrong, if the contrary theory fits the evidence better. But the reality is that as soon as you get passed the "Jay had a trance before both videos were uploaded" it becomes apparent there's more evidence that Masky or totheark uploaded Entry ######, that's what the writers are obviously implying whether it's a red herring or not, and that totheark uploaded enttry #37.

I mean, I'd sooner believe Alex uploaded enttry #37 than Jay, Jay makes no sense. And the "totheark gave Jay the video for him to upload" thing is physically possible, but there's no evidence supporting it. The fact that it's it's possible to fill the holes in a theory with fanfiction doesn't make the theory make more sense. And the reality is that you have to invent fanfiction to make the theory make sense, which is why I keep saying it's overcomplicated. totheark hijacking Jay's account is not only simpler, it has more evidence supporting it, and Jay himself has told us it's what he thinks, meaning it's not just fanfiction.

Which brings me back to my main point: The qualifications for me to think a piece of Jay's narration is a red herring are not met when I analyze this theory, which is why I don't buy it.

[professorrev]

new tweet

[Spritey]

[Masky]

I heard a lot of thunder last night, actually.

[HerpMyDerp]

[rand__althor]

It's overcast today, with a 50% chance of thunderstorms. Can't hear any thunder over the music in my headphones, though.

*ahem*

A storm is coming? Oh man, can't wait. I assume this is still TTA tweeting, instead of J?

[sjhartsfield]

There's a storm coming, Mr. Wayne...

The twitter has been freaking me out lately.