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RatheadSyndicate
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I think if they jumped through time, HABIT jumped with them.
If Alex is set dressing, though, it doesn't make sense for the Rake to attack him.


Unless the reality-warping was done (by whom?) to protect the Four, and the Rake's raison d'etre is to strip away those defenses. In which case, attacking Alex makes perfect sense. The Rake is trying to isolate the Four by destroying their (artificial?) connections to 2011. Jessie's grandmother might have been another source of valuable information for the boys, something that could have kept them safe. Which brings up several questions, in my mind:

1.) What did Rose know, and who else in her family knows it. Does Jessie know more than she's letting on? Is it possible that Jessie's relationship with the Hybrid boys was predesigned?

2.) Is it possible that Alex knows something that we don't know, or that even if he doesn't, could he be in some way key to finding things out? We might want to focus on Alex's background more thoroughly to figure out exactly who he is. If my previous analogy is close to the mark, then Alex might not know anything cognitively, but he still might have some secrets locked away inside of him.

3.) Did we ever get a concrete story nailed down in regards to the apparent exit-stage-dead of Alex and Jeff's parents? What happened to them? Is it possible that this Rake/HABIT/Slenderman shit has been occurring for much longer than we previously considered? Could they have been the first defensive constructs stripped away by The Rake?

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RatheadSyndicate wrote:
qaqa wrote:
I think if they jumped through time, HABIT jumped with them. Unless the reality-warping was done (by whom?) to protect the Four, and the Rake's raison d'etre is to strip away those defenses.


If so, why prevent them from watching the hidden videos? That seems like a move to preserve their illusions to me. Of course, you can really look at what happened in Hidden Videos from any number of angles to support whichever theory you choose - that the truth is being suppressed, or that their minds couldn't take it, or that SM and co. are trying to break them down or whatever.

In which case, attacking Alex makes perfect sense. The Rake is trying to isolate the Four by destroying their (artificial?) connections to 2011.


They're already isolated, and I do think the Rake is ensuring their isolation by killing off other key people. I think Alex may have been part of that, but I think he also might have been sport. I really don't know. It does beg the question - if SM wants them isolated and clueless, why allow them room to hole up together and attempt to watch the hidden videos? Or something along those lines, my thinking is shot tonight every night.

I take Jessie at face value, same with Alex. I think if they know anything more they probably don't realize it. I do want to know if Fairmount Jeffrey had siblings. And I want to know if there's a Linnie in Jessie's family, but I haven't heard back from Jeff on that.

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3.) Did we ever get a concrete story nailed down in regards to the apparent exit-stage-dead of Alex and Jeff's parents? What happened to them? Is it possible that this Rake/HABIT/Slenderman shit has been occurring for much longer than we previously considered? Could they have been the first defensive constructs stripped away by The Rake?


I still find the whole parents thing very suspicious, especially given what's transpired since. EMH has been too careful so far to suddenly come up with that very abrupt continuity fail band-aid that stuck out like a sore thumb - first Vinnie and Evan mentioning their parents as alive, then announcing that they're dead and only Alex is delusional enough to think they're still around. And yes, I think the parents may have abruptly been "removed" from reality.

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 		I know this completely off-spikes from what is being talked about, but after reading the SOS chapter of HoL, it has made me paranoid about Morse code, could someone refresh me what, if any, was found about and related to Morse code, and what is still up in the air?

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 		Known for certain: The hidden videos (all of them, so far as I'm aware) are named in morse code, spelling SOA so far.
Speculated: Some morse code messages could be hidden in certain videos via short-long clip editing.
Disproved: This method was not used in "...." for sure.

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NoMoreGaems wrote:
Known for certain: The hidden videos (all of them, so far as I'm aware) are named in morse code, spelling SOA so far.
Speculated: Some morse code messages could be hidden in certain videos via short-long clip editing.
Disproved: This method was not used in "...." for sure.


Thanks mate, if you have read the SOS chapter of HoL you would know what I mean haha

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 		I've been waiting and lurking and waiting and so on, hoping someone would say what I'm about to. Well, the waiting finally got to me, and I made a profile. Hope I don't put my foot in my mouth too soon. Heh.

Oh boy. This one's gonna be a text wall. I can feel it.

There's been a lot of speculation about who HABIT is, and whenever it's brought up, the discussion seems to get mired in the same couple of theories. The one that seems to be cropping up the most lately is that EMH+1 and MT4 are the same people.

I'm not convinced.

While it's obvious there's a connection (beyond sharing names with one another), I don't think it's that direct. Look at the Corenthal letter from '81. If the Four were pulled through time by the Slenderman, why would Dr. C refer to it as succumbing? Assuming that Slendy-brand Time Travel works the way I think it does, the Four disappeared entirely (like that time they were suddenly in Pennsylvania). If this is true, Dr. C Wouldn't say "succumbed," he'd say "just fucking disappeared."

Referring again to the letters, we have moments where the Mining Town Four were in a trance-like state. This is most likely the Four's collective consciousness being elsewhere in time. Again, present theories state that MT4 was launched forward in time, becoming EMH+1. Let's stop, then, and consider that maybe they weren't physically transported at all. What if Slendy sent only their consciousness forward?

What if MT4 is HABIT?

Think about it. Slenderman breaks down the Four, and they become intermittent Slendypawns (Similar to the way Masky works in Marble Hornets. Tim is still Tim until he blacks out, then he's Masky). While the Four are Slendypawns, they are HABIT. If this is true, it sheds some light on HABIT's actions:

1) HABIT's writing style changes occasionally. As with an earlier theory, this could be indicative of different memeber of the Four being more pronounced at the time, such as FairmountEvan being at the forefront when HABIT yells at the rabbits.

2) HABIT seems to help EMH+1 sometimes. This means that the Four are fighting Slendy's influence, and using the HABIT vessel to aid the others. Considering the possibility that HABIT comes forward during the so-called group-relapses, MT4 doesn't know Slendy beat them yet. Or if they do, they're trying to prevent it from happening again.

3) Finally, the Twitter fights. If HABIT really is MT4-turned-Slendypawns, then a few of the phrases used in the Twitter fights could be interpreted as MT4 breaking Slendy's influence, if but for a little while. One phrase in particular catches my attention:

"Oh, how pleasant it is to be torn." This, then, would be Slendy acting casual about losing control of HABIT, because even if MT4 can take over like that, it's not a big deal to him. He knows the outcome already. He's the fucking Slenderman.

Alright, I'm cutting this off here. I've been typing for about two hours, and I'm starting to lose focus. I was going to touch on Jeff's diagram, but I have no idea how accurate or relevant it is, so I'll post and see what everyone thinks.

Wow. I spent so long typing that I had to sign in again before posting.

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 		Welcome. I know the feeling of lurking forever and then being compelled to post (and post and post, and then post some more).

Your theory is really nifty but I must attempt to poke a few holes in it for the sake of debate, if you don't mind. I agree there is perhaps some sort of group/gestalt consciousness involved with HABIT at times judging by some of the phantom tweets; however, assuming that was HABIT talking to no one in the kitchen as Evan, we have to remember what we said. He refers to Evan as someone other than himself, and he says "I brought you these little fishes." I assume he's referring to EMH, or rather the four. That indicates an individual entity, which considers itself separate and apart from, and capable of victimizing, the kids. I also think he's clearly in league with SM, not working against him.

I don't know that when Corenthal refers to the kids having "succumbed" that he means they time traveled. I think that if that happened, Corenthal was not necessarily aware of it. There can be all kinds of ways to succumb, and maybe traveling, if it happened, came later.

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 		Oh man. I remember thinking "I should probably consider the Evan conversation" when working on the theory.

I also remember forgetting to do that entirely. XD

So yeah. Little fishes. Was that ever confirmed as HABIT speaking, or was that just the leading idea? I didn't read the 2010 thread, and I always thought that was FairmountEvan.

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Oh man. I remember thinking "I should probably consider the Evan conversation" when working on the theory.

I also remember forgetting to do that entirely. XD

So yeah. Little fishes. Was that ever confirmed as HABIT speaking, or was that just the leading idea? I didn't read the 2010 thread, and I always thought that was FairmountEvan.


He speaks of Evan as someone else. "You might scare Evan, but he's just a little bitch." I'm almost positive that's HABIT. The Corenthal papers suggest that HABIT was Fairmount Evan's alternate personality, and so the immediate affinity and antipathy for our Evan suggests to me that the person speaking (through Evan) in the kitchen was definitely HABIT.

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 		See, that's where I get lost. FairmountEvan's alter-ego is Habit, and we're currently dealing with HABIT. Naturally, it's safe to assume that Habit and HABIT are the same person, but if they really are, then there's literally nothing to speculate about, right? It's right there, HABIT is FairmountEvan.

Everyone's still trying to figure out who and what HABIT is, though, which tells me that Habit and HABIT aren't the same. So what gives? Was there some crucial discovery I wasn't around for?

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See, that's where I get lost. FairmountEvan's alter-ego is Habit, and we're currently dealing with HABIT. Naturally, it's safe to assume that Habit and HABIT are the same person, but if they really are, then there's literally nothing to speculate about, right? It's right there, HABIT is FairmountEvan.

Everyone's still trying to figure out who and what HABIT is, though, which tells me that Habit and HABIT aren't the same. So what gives? Was there some crucial discovery I wasn't around for?


I don't think there is a "Habit" and a "HABIT." I think there's only the one. I think whatever was once a part of Fairmount Evan in the '70s - HABIT - has survived beyond time and possibly beyond Fairmount Evan himself. This is certainly what HABIT wants us to think. Much of his big talk takes on Biblical overtones of demons like "Legion," and trades in Exorcist-esque cliches; he implies often that he has been everywhere in times of chaos and strife, can go anywhere and be anyone, that he is "mankind's bad HABIT," thriving on the inhumanity and supposed innate cruelty and barbarism of man, and as such has been around for a long, long while. He wants us, I think, to believe he is some sort of demon or entity that pre-dates the Fairmount children. And maybe he is what he claims. But that doesn't track with the information we have about Fairmount Evan, and his mother's nickname for him. Maybe there's a simple explanation for that which coincides with HABIT's claims. Maybe not.

That's what I, at least, am trying to determine here - what is HABIT? Is it, has it always been, a demon or demon of the mind? Or is it more now than it once was? Where did it come from? Did it originate with Fairmount Evan or not? How is it here now? Can it work through others or does it have only one host? Those, I think, are some of the main questions. Many of us commonly associate HABIT with Evan, both past and present Evan(s), but that is only the beginning of the riddle.

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 		One thing is for certain, HABIT really is at least an intellectual being with a mind and personality, because Evan literally can not work anything technological WHAT SO EVER. XD

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 		I remember it being noted that HABIT likes to talk big. Didn't think anything of it at the time though. Anyway, I hope I can help solve the riddle that is EMH. Or at the very least, just talk about it. I'm pretty sure I've bored my girlfriend to death with my EMH ramblings. XD

Verdett wrote:
One thing is for certain, HABIT really is at least an intellectual being with a mind and personality, because Evan literally can not work anything technological WHAT SO EVER. XD


It's called a flash drive, Evan. Memory sticks are for Playstation.

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Or at the very least, just talk about it.


There will be no shortage of that. This is helping pass the time between updates. Keeps the shakes to a minimum.

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 		Shakes?

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