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[LOCKED] EverymanHYBRID 2011
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Ambiance
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 		Spoiling because it involves the leaked videos, in an attempt to prevent a repeat of the famous mid-october civil war.

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So i hate to open this particular can of worms again, but after recently watching the leaked "welcome to the ark" video it seems like there's more of a possibility than ever of it coming to fruition.

The guys reference the Doctor, who we've finally got on camera, meaning its possible that he could become some what of a regular. Currently he is only in a memory, but if he is still alive like HABIT suggests, him spending time with the boys is not out of question. Jeff also mentions "the girls". While this at one time might have included Jessa, I think it's more likely that he is referring to Jessie and Steph, both of whom are now fairly introduced and comfortable spending time with the guys.

Another interesting occurrence that adds to the cycle theory happens when Evan is speaking to Jeff. Jeff is watching the first EMH video "Introduction" and Evan asks what Vince has got them doing now, both acting like they arn't familiar with it. This way of speaking as if the guys in the video are separate versions of them self could either mean that the "WttA" guys are outside the cycle within the "Ark", but can't interact or help the boys, watching cycle after cycle helplessly, only being released when they figure out the puzzle on their own (or with our help)

OR,

This could be the boys from a future cycle, And the continual reversions have separated them from mankind because of science. In this case the boys would know about the cycles because it would be much more obvious (as opposed to it just being a tree right now, the "WttA" guys are actually in a surreal environment and it would be pretty clear something was happening... i think the guys would figure it out by themselves eventually) but still have no memory of past cycles. As their area becomes more "Ark-like" it would become easier and easier to learn what all was happening, since they would be experiencing it. In their current cycle it seems like they would either be close to the end (hence the perpetual night) or have changed the cycle just enough to avoid cycling back, but not enough to move on (also explains the perpetual night... They should have cycled back, but since they changed something the guys should have moved to the next day and broken the cycle, but since Slendy and rake are still there whatever force that is causing the cycle to happen is confused and only able to continue to if the boys defeat their enemies. Another theory would be that slendy and the rake are in their last ditch efforts to kill the boys or restart the cycle, returning their power. Slendy is able to hold the timeline there while the rake attacks the boys over and over again, thus the bandages)

While typing the wall i also thought about the recent "Voyeur, Firebrand and Guardian" titles, i'm sure they would link up to the boy's personalities in "WttA", with Vinnie breaking down, Evan trying to hold the group togeather, and Jeff clinging to a lost cause.


holy fuck that's the most i've ever typed on here.

e:and it still pales in comparison to any other theory walls ive seen.. >>

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 		I'm with you Ambiance.

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I've always thought that TTA is a future episode, I'm more and more convinced. Or at least it WAS... who knows if the script altered a bit after the "leak." I wouldn't be surprised.


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ChildOfAtom wrote:
I'm with you Ambiance.

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I've always thought that TTA is a future episode, I'm more and more convinced. Or at least it WAS... who knows if the script altered a bit after the "leak." I wouldn't be surprised.


I'm inclined to agree with you. However, part of it is that I want it to be true. What I saw appeals to me.

Spoilers? Who needs spoilers. I've got circumlocutions. Wink

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 		EMH is by far my favorite with MLanderson0 gaining a close second. There is something about the way that they are put together that really appeals to me. Not saying that there is anything wrong with MH but something about it doesn't connect with me the way EMH does.
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 		I also have always thought the video in question is probably canon.
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What unsettles me about it now - well, always, but especially now - is the apparent futility of the WTTA scenario. I can't see a way back out of that rabbit hole for an EMH crew that removed from reality and from their current selves. It puts a significant damper on the hope that we received the Everyman annotations in order to try and change things.


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qaqa on Android wrote:
I also have always thought the video in question is probably canon.
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What unsettles me about it now - well, always, but especially now - is the apparent futility of the WTTA scenario. I can't see a way back out of that rabbit hole for an EMH crew that removed from reality and from their current selves. It puts a significant damper on the hope that we received the Everyman annotations in order to try and change things.



I do agree with you. However, I can see a way that it works out to break the cycle:

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The EMH crew has to break the cycle in The Ark. The Everyman annotations may be the path to the crew going into the Ark where they have to make their final confrontation with what I call 'the dark trio'. They may also have to encounter the Fairmount kids there to aid in the final struggle.

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qaqa on Android wrote:
I also have always thought the video in question is probably canon.
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What unsettles me about it now - well, always, but especially now - is the apparent futility of the WTTA scenario. I can't see a way back out of that rabbit hole for an EMH crew that removed from reality and from their current selves. It puts a significant damper on the hope that we received the Everyman annotations in order to try and change things.


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ChildOfAtom dragged me into believe that WTTA is either canon or pseudo-canon a couple of months ago. I still lean more toward it being pseudo-canon--a scenario that is part of the master plan but rewritten to be stand-alone for purposes of the contest--but it's not a strong preference at this point.

The big problem right now, as I see it, is finding a way to get from here to there that is doable within their budget and available crew of actors. I really like the "dark trio" idea, and also the possibility that the people inside the Ark are, like, the Platonic forms of which the trio we know, and the MT4, are shadows. Communicating that to the audience would be a real pain to pull of, though. So, as usual, I'm waiting to be surprised and delighted by the crew.


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Mattwan wrote:
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ChildOfAtom dragged me into believe that WTTA is either canon or pseudo-canon a couple of months ago. I still lean more toward it being pseudo-canon--a scenario that is part of the master plan but rewritten to be stand-alone for purposes of the contest--but it's not a strong preference at this point.


I totally agree with that. I think it may be mutable and fluid, but the basic ideas shown there are deeply rooted in the canon.

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The big problem right now, as I see it, is finding a way to get from here to there that is doable within their budget and available crew of actors.


That was my concern at the time I saw it. It's not now. They can do it. In fact, every one of the big 3 (plus Dark Harvest) have gone seriously above and beyond what I thought any of them were capable of budget and effects-wise in the last several weeks and months.

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I really like the "dark trio" idea, and also the possibility that the people inside the Ark are, like, the Platonic forms of which the trio we know, and the MT4, are shadows. Communicating that to the audience would be a real pain to pull of, though. So, as usual, I'm waiting to be surprised and delighted by the crew.


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I just don't know who would fit what. The hopelessness, to me, is the idea that the 3 guys we saw in WTTA are very similar to our EMH, except they have no idea what EMH is. So what the hell are they? They don't seem to be the extremes of their current selves in any 'dark' way - though Jeff is evidently entranced by something near the end of the video, Evan seems to suddenly be the stable backbone of the group.

To me, what we saw in WTTA could well be a world post-cycle - maybe SM literally does cover each world in "ash and darkness," as that one appeared to be, and then physically moves himself and the others onto another reality before doing it again. It seemed like something that was too far gone and just running out the clock. And so that worries me in terms of our own game. If we're waiting around to expect that, I think we and EMH both lose.


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jdsherrer wrote:
EMH is by far my favorite with MLanderson0 gaining a close second. There is something about the way that they are put together that really appeals to me. Not saying that there is anything wrong with MH but something about it doesn't connect with me the way EMH does.
I think EMH is the series that put the most effort into what they're doing especially since they're in constant interaction with their fans.

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 		That is a good part of it. I also look at the last round of videos as well. With MH you get a home video that shows that Alex was being stalked at an early age...Kind of something we already knew. With EMH you get more of the Corenthal connection being revealed and an appearance by Slendy that still makes me shudder.

MH, to me, seems to be slowing to a crawl while EMH ramps it up with each new video.
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qaqa wrote:
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To me, what we saw in WTTA could well be a world post-cycle - maybe SM literally does cover each world in "ash and darkness," as that one appeared to be, and then physically moves himself and the others onto another reality before doing it again. It seemed like something that was too far gone and just running out the clock. And so that worries me in terms of our own game. If we're waiting around to expect that, I think we and EMH both lose.


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qaqa, you've just made something click to me. Everything about WTTA made it seem like a post-cycle world except for one key piece of dialogue, that being the bit along the lines of "What is he having us do this time?". That's why I got hung up on the notion that the Arkverse trio are the actual archetypes of which "our" trio are avatars.

For some reason, before your post just now I hadn't considered the consequences of there being multiple iterations of the cycle. There could be dozens or hundreds or countless parallel worlds that have been burned to ash and flooded, leaving behind just our team whose despondency is increased by being able to see what's happening to their successors in each iteration of the cycle.

If the world hosting the cycle is destroyed after each failure, though, it becomes difficult to explain the MT4, who we know succumbed. Maybe it's a two-part cycle, where the Trio+1 are incarnated first as children and then again in their late teens?


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 		Yeah, I can't account for the MT4 either. Because I think they were in our world and I think the storage locker and everything else makes that clear. So, I don't know. I really don't. I'm spitballing, because I am also totally open to the idea that the cycle has potentially only ever happened here, in our reality.

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Mattwan wrote:
qaqa wrote:
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To me, what we saw in WTTA could well be a world post-cycle - maybe SM literally does cover each world in "ash and darkness," as that one appeared to be, and then physically moves himself and the others onto another reality before doing it again. It seemed like something that was too far gone and just running out the clock. And so that worries me in terms of our own game. If we're waiting around to expect that, I think we and EMH both lose.


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qaqa, you've just made something click to me. Everything about WTTA made it seem like a post-cycle world except for one key piece of dialogue, that being the bit along the lines of "What is he having us do this time?". That's why I got hung up on the notion that the Arkverse trio are the actual archetypes of which "our" trio are avatars.

For some reason, before your post just now I hadn't considered the consequences of there being multiple iterations of the cycle. There could be dozens or hundreds or countless parallel worlds that have been burned to ash and flooded, leaving behind just our team whose despondency is increased by being able to see what's happening to their successors in each iteration of the cycle.

If the world hosting the cycle is destroyed after each failure, though, it becomes difficult to explain the MT4, who we know succumbed. Maybe it's a two-part cycle, where the Trio+1 are incarnated first as children and then again in their late teens?


What if:

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The EMH trio has been 'split' somehow? Half of their essence is in the Ark while the other half is here. Some of the oddness and 'hidden videos' may have come from the trio in the Ark trying to communicate with their other halves.

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Just watched the latest video (not the interview)

JEFF PLAYS ALLIANCE?! AAAARRRRRRGH


My respect for him grows.

Haters gonna hate.

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jdsherrer wrote:
What if:

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The EMH trio has been 'split' somehow? Half of their essence is in the Ark while the other half is here. Some of the oddness and 'hidden videos' may have come from the trio in the Ark trying to communicate with their other halves.


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We just might have a winner here! Even without the split consciousness, the "hidden" videos could actually be footage of what the Arkverse trio endured on their way to being trapped in the basement. Maybe "our" Evan doesn't remember being possessed by HABIT and threatening Jeff because he really didn't do those things, or hasn't done them yet--all the "hidden" footage could be warnings from the Arkverse, showing us what happened to them so we can help the boys avoid the same thing happening here.


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