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[Phenom]

[qaqa]

Do I have to say it?

I think these alternate possibilities have occurred to all of us. But that still doesn't square what we saw in Corenthal's letters or in the kitchen.

[JustAQ]

[qaqa]

[The Kempest]

If the hidden videos are symbolism, as opposed to previous cycles or future events, then we should accept the possibility that not all of it is true. If what we're seeing didn't or won't happen, perhaps we're being misled? Being made to believe Evan is HABIT?

Believing this, the kitchen scene is a red herring. HABIT is whoever he wants to be, and we get to watch as our actions lead to the death of Evan, all because of some video we can't even verify as hard truth.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but should we really be coming to such a conclusion without proof? Are we allowing dreams into evidence, now?

Also, qaqa, what part of the Corenthal letters are you referring to? The fact that Evan was nicknamed "Habit" by his mother?

[qaqa]

I think some stuff in some hidden videos - like the boys drowning one of the others - might be symbolism. Not the kitchen scene. It's too literal and grounded in now. And yes, I was referring to the document on Centralia Evan/HABIT.

I don't want to assume anything. I think it's possible HABIT could be someone else, or could be many of them at different times. But that doesn't explain the chain of evidence we've seen.

[Ouroborus]

I've always been a fan of the Evan=Red Herring thing. And while I'm still a very suspicious about the kitchen scene(maybe crazy Evan is just crazy/Slender Crazy...not Habit), it's tough to reconcile it with the Habit=Evan mention in the letters.


At this point, it doesn't really matter if it's not Habit in Evan...he could still be dangerous because of the Crazy we saw in the Kitchen. It has to be addressed, pressed, and observed no matter what.

[NoMoreGaems]

Not just that time where he was talking with Slenderman, he's been visibly crazy since ...

[qaqa]

I don't think Evan is crazy. I think he's being affected by the events around them and the forces manipulating them. For all we know he's lived a happy life for years as a good friend to Jeff and Vinnie, and he's been a good son to his parents and an all-around good guy. I do think that for whatever reason - fate, predestination, lineage, whatever - he has been made vulnerable to SM and co. and I think he was singled out for a specific kind of torment which has eaten away at him and left him in the way we find him in my inbox. Just like Jeff and Alex were targeted, just like Steph's life, and probably just like Vinnie in one way or another.

And no, I'm not just saying that for his benefit if he's reading this.

[Ouroborus]

WE LOVE YOU EVAN!

I go a little overboard with the "crazy" with Evan. The way he was presented to us early on, it was told to us that he was a little strange sometimes AND WE/THEY/EVERYONE LOVES HIM FOR IT .

But it's been used as an excuse when he does something strange, like his behaviour during the UStreams. Ala "It's just Evan being Evan".


But in consideration of Evan and the way we(me?) portray him here, I'll lay off the crazy train.

[qaqa]

Oh, Evan is definitely...Evan. But there's Evan and then there's this other shit that started since everything began going down, and I don't think that's necessarily innate to him. He's as scared and confused as the others if not moreso, and he's always the first to throw himself into the fray.

[Ouroborus]

Totally.

We(ME) tend to take a 'villian of the week' route with the group. One week it's Vince and the likelyhood of him possibly being the one behind the spy cams. The next it's Steph and her questionable behaviour regarding Jessa and the lack of info she can give about her past. Then there's Evan. And we haven't really had much to get all suspicious at Jeff over for a while, but I'm sure we'll(I'll) find something soon enough.

I guess what I'm getting it is that I'm agreeing with qaqa that with all the pressure and stuff happening to them...it's all of them. They've all got issues and are dealing with a problem that is beyond them(and us, thus far).

[lunaticfish]

Oh, qaqa, THAT is what you were trying to tell me...
*Cue FBOMB
...I still have nothing to say. This is just the worst. I'll be trying for some brainwaves at work...

[slendercat]

Honestly, I worry that if we push everyone too hard, we might cause the very things that we're trying to avert. We can't actually verify if any of the hidden videos are "real" events (not something symbolic, not a possible future event, not something that happened in an alternate timeline, etc). All the information that we can verify is known to the boys and Steph. They post the videos we've seen and the tweets and tumblr stuff we've read, we've always been sure to show them the contents of any dropoffs, and they read our threads (hi guys!). And they know things that they haven't told us both because they don't want to or because it just hasn't occurred to them. As far as things that can be checked up on go, they know more than we do. And they know that.

If we keep pushing them based solely on things that we don't know ever happened or will happen, they're bound to push back. Anyone would. Evan already is. The things that we fear could happen to our Firebrand, Guardian, and Voyeur are all stated to be the results of choices. The Firebrand would have to choose to defect, the Guardian would choose to defy a God, the Voyeur would choose to swallow justice's sword... People make bad decisions when they're frustrated, when they think people don't trust them, when they don't believe they can make a right decision anyway. I'm worried that's the kind of thinking we're pushing the boys toward.

Seriously, maybe we should let up.

[agreatdivorce]