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[LOCKED] EverymanHYBRID 2011
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ZorakRamone
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icy780 wrote:
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icy780 wrote:
I have a question, is the envelope in TT from the box FRA had before? Or is it a completely different set of items?


Noah Tweeted about the envelope arriving in the mail on the 16th. FRA posted his vid the evening of the 17th. I'd say they are different things.


Theres still a possibility of it being the same though. It would take a few days to recover from the attack and then post. That's why im not sure


FRA was posting here and on SA right up until his video appeared, and has been completely silent since. I think it's safe to assume the events of his video took place right before they were uploaded.

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 		FRA's last post on SA:

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Heading home from micro bar. Gonna try to shoot unboxing and finish Beerboy video if cabby ever picks me up


Bold is mine.

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 		Shit is getting real, kids! Shocked
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Carnahan wrote:
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The operator symbol made some appearances early on in EMH, drawn in the notebooks and stuff, but it was dropped pretty fast, and has never been a strong presence.


I can confirm that the operator symbol was never used in EMH.

As someone pointed out, the sign was made by FRA for his first trial. So when habit attacked it was probably used in some ironic way. Basically no one should give the operator symbol much thought

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 		Look, all these events are utterly badass, but HABIT hasn't boasted about putting 052/FRA/Takoui in his place or about messing with everyone via Noah Maxwell.

That worries me. What ELSE could he be up to?

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 		Maybe Habit has been too busy preparing a Father's Day surprise for Corenthal.

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 		I've been wondering if HABIT or someone will comment on Father's Day, too.
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 		Re: EMHail
ChildOfAtom wrote:
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Ok, dredging the thread from last year is going to take longer than I thought.


You might be interested in this:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31119

I would say, please be selective about what you put on the wiki. I don't think it needs every single word that HABIT ever uttered. YOu should be able to see what has import and what is just HABIT trolling with people.


Thank you much for the link. Don't worry. I'm going to practice very cautious editing, especially with HABIT. I just think it'd be wise for future reference's sake if we have those emails that contained the boys' or HABIT's specific reactions to or expressions about the events so far. Especially since we really are that nerdy to quote a tiny email message that Jeff may have sent once (maybe) that (possibly) said something about his parents. Razz

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Snack wrote:
Carnahan wrote:
I can confirm that the operator symbol was never used in EMH.

As someone pointed out, the sign was made by FRA for his first trial. So when habit attacked it was probably used in some ironic way. Basically no one should give the operator symbol much thought


Thanks. Guess I should have watched all of his videos before commenting like that.
That being said, I think this may very well be IG. FRA is pretty loyal to somethingawful, and if he hasn't posted there since the video was up, I'd say this could be legit. He might troll us like this, but I seriously doubt he would do the same to SA. I'll remain skeptic until Habit posts a tweet about it (Why was he filming himself coming home from the bar?) but this is getting pretty big if it's all a show.

Unless he really is dead. Shocked

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Unless he really is dead. Shocked


Unlikely.
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foxgreen wrote:
(Why was he filming himself coming home from the bar?)


My guess (for the sake of justifying it in-game) would be that everything up to the knock on the door was footage for the Beerboyz video he talked about posting.

DocJowles mentioned that the beer was DogFishHead 90 minute. Just throwing that fun fact out there.

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 		 possible lead on Centralia Note
i posted this on the wikia first but i think it should be posted here too.
since i'm not sure what you guys call it here, it should be noted that the centralia note is the set of pieces of paper that have been found that seem to be pieces of the same note. noah from tribetwelve just received the third piece. we may be able to go ahead and solve the puzzle however, because the pieces seem to spell out "shade's password to the unreliable narrator"

now to my wikia post:

"alright guys just signed up cuz i felt like i should pass this along. if the note could be interpreted to read "shade's password to the unreliable narrator" then i may have an important lead.

The author Vladimir Nabakov was a very well known author of the last century. There's probably a decent chance the EMH crew have heard of him. Nabakov's most well known work is Lolita, but apparently critics think his book Pale Fire was his most important. Pale Fire is a piece of metafiction with a nonlinear, secondary plot that develops through comments left by the "editor" of the book (who is really just another character) as the book goes on. those of you who have read House of Leaves (and we know the boys are big fans of the book) will recognize that this is a very similar structure. there is a good chance the boys have read it and are referencing it.

the reason i stumbled upon Pale Fire is that i googled "unreliable narrator shade" and got this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Kinbote Charles Kinbote is the name of "the editor" of Pale Fire, and he is apparently a textbook example of the unreliable narrator. Nabakov's novel Lolita is a first-hand account of sordid events written by another unreliable narrator, who happens to be a pedophile. apparently Nabakov had a thing for unreliable narrators.

this "editor" in Pale Fire, Charles Kinbote, was the neighbor of the character who "wrote" Pale Fire. I use quotes because really every word was written by Nabakov, the actual human being. Within the book's universe, however, the book Pale Fire was written by a man named John Shade and edited by his neighbor Charles Kinbote who left mostly unrelated notes in the margins and footnotes that advanced an entirely separate plot. This work likely helped influence the creation of House of Leaves.

so to sum it up, John SHADE wrote a book, and asked his neighbor to edit the book. The editor's notes form their own separate plot, being related to the reader only by the editor. since this narrator lies to the reader about certain events, he is what is known in literary circles as an UNRELIABLE NARRATOR. therefore John SHADE knew an UNRELIABLE NARRATOR.

i think someone should read through Vladimir Nabakov's Pale Fire (i'll look for it posted online, it may be public domain by now. i'm avoiding the library cuz i have big late fees) and focus on the interaction between the characters Shade and Kinbote and see if the two characters for any reason have some sort of password between each other."

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JesterOfTheCourt
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 		 me again
it's me again. i found a copy of Pale Fire online. on page 124 of the pdf we find the following dialogue between John SHADE and Charles Kinbote, the UNRELIABLE NARRATOR.

"SHADE: All the seven deadly sins are peccadilloes but without three of them,
Pride, Lust and Sloth, poetry might never have been born.
KINBOTE: Is it fair to base objections upon obsolete terminology?
SHADE: All religions are based upon obsolete terminology.
KINBOTE: What we term Original Sin can never grow obsolete.
SHADE: I know nothing about that. In fact when I was small I thought it meant
Cain killing Abel. Personally, I am with the old snuff-takers: L'homme est né bon.
KINBOTE: Yet disobeying the Divine Will is a fundamental definition of Sin.
SHADE: I cannot disobey something which I do not know and the reality of which
I have the right to deny.
KINBOTE: Tut-tut. Do you also deny that there are sins?
SHADE: I can name only two: murder, and the deliberate infliction of pain.
KINBOTE: Then a man spending his life in absolute solitude could not be a sinner?
SHADE: He could torture animals. He could poison the springs on his island. He
could denounce an innocent man in a posthumous manifesto.
KINBOTE: And so the password is —?
SHADE: Pity.
KINBOTE: But who instilled it in us, John? Who is the Judge of life, and the
Designer of death?
SHADE: Life is a great surprise. I do not see why death should not be an even
greater one.
KINBOTE: Now I have caught you, John: once we deny a Higher Intelligence that
plans and administrates our individual hereafters we are bound to accept the
unspeakably dreadful notion of Chance reaching into eternity. Consider the
situation. Throughout eternity our poor ghosts are exposed to nameless vicissitudes.
There is no appeal, no advice, no support, no protection, nothing. Poor Kinbote's
ghost, poor Shade's shade, may have blundered, may have taken the wrong turn
somewhere — oh, from sheer absent-mindedness, or simply through ignorance of a
trivial rule in the preposterous game of nature — if there be any rules.
SHADE: There are rules in chess problems: interdiction of dual solutions, for
instance.
KINBOTE: I had in mind diabolical rules likely to be broken by the other party as
soon as we come to understand them. That is why goetic magic does not always
work. The demons in their prismatic malice betray the agreement between us and
them, and we are again in the chaos of chance. Even if we temper Chance with
Necessity and allow godless determinism, the mechanism of cause and effect, to
provide our souls after death with the dubious solace of metastatistics, we still have
to reckon with the individual mishap, the thousand and second highway accident of
those scheduled for Independence Day in Hades. No-no, if we want to be serious
about the hereafter let us not begin by degrading it to the level of a science-fiction
yarn or a spiritualistic case history. The idea of one's soul plunging into limitless and
chaotic afterlife with no Providence to direct her —
SHADE: There is always a psychopompos around the corner, isn't there?
KINBOTE: Not around that corner, John. With no Providence the soul must rely on
the dust of its husk, on the experience gathered in the course of corporeal
confinement, and cling childishly to small-town principles, local by-laws and a
personality consisting mainly of the shadows of its own prison bars. Such an idea is
not to be entertained one instant by the religious mind. How much more intelligent
it is — even from a proud infidel's point of view! — to accept God's Presence — a
faint phosphorescence at first, a pale light in the dimness of bodily life, and a
dazzling radiance after it? I too, I too, my dear John, have been assailed in my time
by religious doubts. The church helped me to fight them off. It also helped me not to
ask too much, not to demand too clear an image of what is unimaginable. St.
Augustine said —
SHADE: Why must one always quote St. Augustine to me?
KINBOTE: As St. Augustine said, "One can know what God is not; one cannot
know what He is." I think I know what He is not: He is not despair, He is not terror,
He is not the earth in one's rattling throat, not the black hum in one's ears fading to
nothing in nothing. I know also that the world could not have occurred fortuitously
and that somehow Mind is involved as a main factor in the making of the universe.
In trying to find the right name for that Universal Mind, or First Cause, or the
Absolute, or Nature, I submit that the Name of God has priority."


there we have it folks, SHADE'S PASSWORD TO THE UNRELIABLE NARRATOR IS "PITY"!

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 		A very interesting theory, but I don't feel like it's enough to move it from the "coincidence" pile to the "plausible" pile. Nabokov was a great novelist, but there has been no indication at all that either he or his novel have to do with this story, as opposed to, say, House of Leaves or The Summoning of Everyman. Basically all that is promising about your theory is the fact that there is a character SHADE that is unreliable. I need at least two good coincidences to give a theory creedance.

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 		Well, that's pretty out there. For a moment I thought I was back on that Lost forum I used to read. But as with most of those theories, I think it's nothing more than an interesting little false lead.

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