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[LOCKED] EverymanHYBRID 2011
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Adah
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Mattwan wrote:
And now for a dissenting view.

I'm not speaking for anyone but myself, but for me the irritating thing about all this is that we haven't gotten more plot, we've just gotten a bit of subplot. That's not inherently a bad thing, and at another point in the game could have been a very good thing, but after both a lengthy drought of actual plot *and* the implied promise[1] of advancement in the main plot, this diversion, whether it's in-game or not, has just been irksome. If IG, it's a great idea but bad timing, I think is my point.

[1] Implied by the fact of the box, not by anything OOG.

This doesn't seem to me like it's a "diversion", it's just making the trials more interesting than they would be. I wouldn't want to watch anybody else's trial video because they aren't particularly interesting, but this is interesting. This is plot advancement. And since FRA is doing the work for these videos by himself, it's not as though it will hinder the progress of the "actual" plot.

This is one of the first instances of HABIT actually "punishing" someone for breaking his rules, and it establishes him as a real threat. This couldn't really be accomplished in a different way. I like it. I just don't see a downside to these videos and don't get why some people get mad about it.

edit: Also, FRA said what was in the box wasn't that important. I think this might be more about what happened to the box and his roommate than what's in the box itself.

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qaqa
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 		At this point I have no idea what's going on and what has actually been confirmed or debunked. But there are two options. It's actually very simple.

If FRA's videos are IG and canon, then I welcome them, as I said days ago. I thought it would be an ingenious idea to do that with FRA IG as well as GreenFeathers, Slayerboy, etc. I would love it, and bravo.

If, on the other hand, these videos are FRA's own invention and EMH and HABIT were not in fact involved IG or OOG, then guess what? While they may be fun and well-made on their own individual merits - and I thought they were, actually - they are not part of EMH and they do not make EMH more exciting for me. Actual, legitimate EMH content does that. Anything else just bores me.

Or, third option, if FRA was non-canon and EMH has decided to incorporate the videos, then okay, great, wonderful. I'll go along. But in that case, in that hypothetical, don't give me a lot of white knight bullshit about how we're all meanies for awaiting verification and being skeptical, and how somebody has the game's best interests at heart if they gamejack and that he's just making it all "better." Because that's just how you feel. It's not the truth.

I have nothing personally against FRA. I don't think I've ever spoken to him. What I would have a problem with is the perceived presumption, which unfortunately is now projected onto him because of people speaking for him and parroting a single line of thought. Snack, you didn't like the trials, you thought they were pointless - that's nice, I don't care. I was never salty about them. The trials always seemed to me like a device to fill a hiatus and sidelong to the main storyline, so they never bothered me or offended me, really. They didn't hurt anything. I think EMH has gotten along fine regardless. So the premise that the trials are SOOO BAD and RUINING EMH and FRA was desperately needed to "spice things up" is not only a subjective fiction, it's also - if these videos were once non-canon - a pretty forceful rationalization. It's arrogant. "Oh, now we know HABIT actually attacks people, now it's so much more interesting thanks to FRA's actions!" Well, you can feel that way if you like, but if it's non-canon or was non-canon then that's just a rationalization and you would be laying claim to the series like it belongs to you and you know what it needs. But it doesn't, and you don't. It doesn't belong to any of us, it belongs to all of us. There is no one consensus.

All these white knights rushing on their steeds to defend his honor are, I'm sure, chivalrous and fantastic lovers in the sack, but they are not FRA. So I really don't need to hear from them on what he did or didn't do, thanks. I'm sure he can speak for himself on this, whatever happened. What I said originally was that I liked the idea of the videos, but would remain skeptical and not engage with them unless they were verified, and that's perfectly reasonable. I'm still not sure what they are or aren't. But I don't need to be told how to enjoy an ARG or what is needed or why FRA will only make it better if he happened to go rogue. None of this belongs to us, we do not have proprietary rights. None of us anywhere are better than any of the other posters, and none of us have a better grasp of what EMH is or what it needs than its creators, and so you really can't tell me or anybody what makes this game, or what it needs.

We'll wait and see what this all means, but I felt the need to nip that feverish rationalization in the bud, because it smacks of incredible arrogance and sperging nerd butthurt. I truly hope it has nothing to do with what actually occurred. Also, FRA has a nice porch.
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Adah
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Carnahan wrote:
Yeah, I'll momentarily break the rules on uF to respond:

I don't care who did what when and to who. Barring legitimate pasts concerning people physically wronging and hurting each other, I have no tolerance for internet grudges.

"Hate" him all you want IG, as per the tactical trollstrike, but THIS is the stuff that makes the project / series worth it (and fun / interesting) for all those involved, creator and viewer.

Keep up the good work, team. I love you all (including SA, PennyArcade, Facepunch, etc. etc.)

I am just going to quote this because I think it may have been caught up in all our complainin'.

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qaqa wrote:
Also, FRA has a nice porch.


On this, I think, we can all agree. I envy FRA's porch.

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 		It is a nice porch...

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qaqa wrote:

I have nothing personally against FRA. I don't think I've ever spoken to him. What I would have a problem with is the perceived presumption, which unfortunately is now projected onto him because of people speaking for him and parroting a single line of thought. Snack, you didn't like the trials, you thought they were pointless - that's nice, I don't care. I was never salty about them. The trials always seemed to me like a device to fill a hiatus and sidelong to the main storyline, so they never bothered me or offended me, really. They didn't hurt anything. I think EMH has gotten along fine regardless. So the premise that the trials are SOOO BAD and RUINING EMH and FRA was desperately needed to "spice things up" is not only a subjective fiction, it's also - if these videos were once non-canon - a pretty forceful rationalization. It's arrogant. "Oh, now we know HABIT actually attacks people, now it's so much more interesting thanks to FRA's actions!" Well, you can feel that way if you like, but if it's non-canon or was non-canon then that's just a rationalization and you would be laying claim to the series like it belongs to you and you know what it needs. But it doesn't, and you don't. It doesn't belong to any of us, it belongs to all of us. There is no one consensus.


I will just reply to the part about me. Also I am just going to put this right out there is that I don't speak for FRA. I only speak for my self.

Yes I though the trials were boring, blahblahblah you don't care and probably no one else should. I don't mean to be white knighting because I am trying to be FRA's one and only friend and another thing is that I am not responding to people going, "eh this FRA buisness is kinda lame, I am responding to stupid posts like this
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I don't see why not. If it's IG, then he's an idiot for fucking with HABIT. If it's OOG, then he's an idiot AND a fucking asshole for wasting our time.

and those posts of people going "haha fuck that dude" when they misinterpreted HABIT's tweet.

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 		also it is a nice porch

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qaqa
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 		Unfortunately, people have a right to speak their mind, particularly if those videos are or were at one point non-canon. That's their business. Short of seeing to it that no one violates the rules - FRA is an UF poster like the rest of us, as are you, so yeah, he shouldn't be cussed out in public - there's really nothing you or I or any of us can do about how people feel, any more than that poster could do anything about how you feel about the trials. Is it really shocking that some people might harbor ill will if this has turned out to be a gamejack? And let's remember that EMH is not solely yours (or his, or mine or anyone's) to judge or improve.

Also, my mom has a herb garden like that FRA, nice landscaping bro
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qaqa wrote:
there's really nothing you or I or any of us can do about how people feel

I could argue with them Smile

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Snack wrote:
qaqa wrote:
there's really nothing you or I or any of us can do about how people feel

I could argue with them Smile


I'm sure you're welcome to, respectfully. It is not exactly a hive mind around here, and if you thought so you don't come around enough.
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qaqa wrote:
Snack wrote:
qaqa wrote:
there's really nothing you or I or any of us can do about how people feel

I could argue with them Smile


I'm sure you're welcome to, respectfully. It is not exactly a hive mind around here, and if you thought so you don't come around enough.

Surprised I never said anything like that, and also I was there for the 90 pages a day of people arguing about nothing so I am well aware that this isn't a hive mind board.

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Snack wrote:
qaqa wrote:
Snack wrote:
qaqa wrote:
there's really nothing you or I or any of us can do about how people feel

I could argue with them Smile


I'm sure you're welcome to, respectfully. It is not exactly a hive mind around here, and if you thought so you don't come around enough.

Surprised I never said anything like that, and also I was there for the 90 pages a day of people arguing about nothing so I am well aware that this isn't a hive mind board.


When did we argue about nothing for 90 pages a day? Was I at lunch? Who roofied me?
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Snack wrote:

Surprised I never said anything like that, and also I was there for the 90 pages a day of people arguing about nothing so I am well aware that this isn't a hive mind board.


When did that happen?

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MetalGearSamus wrote:
Snack wrote:

Surprised I never said anything like that, and also I was there for the 90 pages a day of people arguing about nothing so I am well aware that this isn't a hive mind board.


When did that happen?


I think the record is three posts in a row. And then we move on to something else.
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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Jeff confirmed in his OOG blog that FRA's video was not a gamejack. It remains to be seen if the video was done on his own and was accepted into canon, or if he was instructed to make it and it was canon to begin with. I would bet on the latter, but I am fairly certain his gambit re the box and trial 6 was on his own and not planned by the EMH crew.


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