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I'm with punxtr here. I'm not going to cosign testing Jeff's piss. You wanna send that email, spin the wheel, baby.


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We are still talking about EXTERNAL contact with Slenderman causing Sigma. Jay uses the term " "alpha" radiation" when referring to Sigma though, as he states, Sigma may not be a traditional type of radiation at all.

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I don't know, man. Apparently "alpha" radiation is "gentle" enough to be blocked by layers of skin or sheets of paper... reading over the physicist's notes (from the Florida university), it doesn't seem like this is "normal" radiation. Personally, it seems like the branding of "radiation" is simply the closet they could have gotten to naming it. [J]"

Alpha-type radiation is from an INTERNAL source. In this case the Sigma in the blood of Evan, Vince, Jay, and Steph and could only be detected when exposed outside the body (i.e. bleeding on a towel). That indicates an Alpha-type radiation. Alpha-type radiation is very hard to detect because it does not even penetrate skin. You have to have special instruments to detect it inside the body that require training to use. Again here is the link pertaining to Alpha-type radiation.

http://orise.orau.gov/reacts/guide/alpha.htm

I am not trying to force a conclusion but am confused as to the insistence of most everyone that Sigma is a result of contact with Slenderman. I could see that if it had been described Jay as a Beta-type radiation which would be a by-product of radiation from external contact.

http://orise.orau.gov/reacts/guide/beta.htm

Does anyone have an explanation for how the Evan, Vince, Jeff, and Steph have a presumably Alpha-type radiation in their blood and not a Beta-type radiation?


On a side note, Can I say how much I hate Physics? Maybe I am looking at it from too simple a point of view. I am not trying to start any flame wars but am just curious as to how they could have gotten this "radiation" signature internally and not externally.


This is very good speculation rob, and the links are awesome. :] Thanks for those.

For myself, the only thing I can really think of is this: since the "radiation" (and let us all remember to use that term loosely) is completely internal and only detectable when exposed to the outside, it seems to mean that it's produced from somewhere inside their bodies.

There is also a question that's a bit gross but also should be answered: is the sigma radiation only in the blood? There should be testing of urine or tears or something, just to rule this out.

And if the radiation is exclusive to their blood than what in their blood is generating it? It's not just appearing out of no where, and while I do think it's Slender Man induced that doesn't mean that they've come down with an obscure form of radiation sickness. From what we've seen it seems like Slender Man incites or stimulates the creation of sigma radiation in their bodies. Is it the red blood cells? white blood cells? platelets? some combination of the three? Or do they just have some sort of property that makes each cell a generator of sigma?


My only other problem on it being contact with Slenderman and it causing some type of "inner" radiation is that the Sigma signature is limited to just the MT4 EMHer's. I assume that others in the EMHverse have seen or been near Slendy, even Alex. If Noah is gonna visit for any length of time then, IMHO, to absolutely prove that Sigma is a by-product of Slendy contact, particularly PROLONGED Slendy contact, then the boys might want to ask Noah if he is willing to have his blood tested. This could be approached in a way such as showing him the device and showing him that Evan, Jeff, Vince (and hopefully Steph for a return appearance) test positive and that Alex test's negative. I highly doubt though that this is going to happen but it would show us whether Sigma is due to long exposure to Mr. Thin's presence. I can see the point now of Sigma being due to prolonged exposure, but on the other hand being as it is strictly the MT4 EMHer's who are testing positive I am more along the line of it being somehow related to the Iteration Theory. Just my opinion though.

As for the piss and tear test's, hmmmm, novel idea, lol. At least a piss test would prove the "alpha" part of the radiation. It would make for, ahem, interesting viewing to say the least.

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 		I wonder if rather than being corrupted by Slendy, if the people in the Candleverse are actually DERIVED from him somehow. That is, the usual expression of a "blood relative" where someone else is actually physically related to you via reproduction. Now, I'm not saying Slendy actually had sex with their moms, but perhaps Slendy is, in some way, their father/creator. As such, as the idiom goes, Slendy's blood runs through their veins. This would explain why in the MT4 letters, Slendy actually acts fatherly towards them, playing games with them, "protecting" them (e.g. Vince from the priest). In other words, the Candleverse is kind of like Slendy's workshop and they're basically key NPCs in his game, or dolls, or somesuch.

In addition, did anyone notice that in the Candleverse (sorry, I missed a lot of discussion, been away for a while), that they're acting almost... I don't know, playful? They're saying "when this iteration is over" as if they're saying "once this movie is over/once I finish playing Alan Wake." It's nonchalant and almost singsong. Maybe their archetypes don't actually mind the cycle, the adrenaline, the chase etc make it sort of the ultimate video game, they get spawned in bodies, get haunted, and have to figure out what to do. They just kind of suck at it and get Game Overs a lot (say it with me Dwarf Fortress fans: Losing is FUN!). And in the end, there was no real suffering more than losing at Silent Hill is, they just find themselves back in the Candleverse, waiting a while until they can restart the game.

That or blood radiation is a sign that you've been inHABITed at some point in time, but that's looking less and less likely the more we see of Evan (especially Candle Evan).

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I wonder if rather than being corrupted by Slendy, if the people in the Candleverse are actually DERIVED from him somehow. That is, the usual expression of a "blood relative" where someone else is actually physically related to you via reproduction. Now, I'm not saying Slendy actually had sex with their moms, but perhaps Slendy is, in some way, their father/creator. As such, as the idiom goes, Slendy's blood runs through their veins. This would explain why in the MT4 letters, Slendy actually acts fatherly towards them, playing games with them, "protecting" them (e.g. Vince from the priest). In other words, the Candleverse is kind of like Slendy's workshop and they're basically key NPCs in his game, or dolls, or somesuch.

In addition, did anyone notice that in the Candleverse (sorry, I missed a lot of discussion, been away for a while), that they're acting almost... I don't know, playful? They're saying "when this iteration is over" as if they're saying "once this movie is over/once I finish playing Alan Wake." It's nonchalant and almost singsong. Maybe their archetypes don't actually mind the cycle, the adrenaline, the chase etc make it sort of the ultimate video game, they get spawned in bodies, get haunted, and have to figure out what to do. They just kind of suck at it and get Game Overs a lot (say it with me Dwarf Fortress fans: Losing is FUN!). And in the end, there was no real suffering more than losing at Silent Hill is, they just find themselves back in the Candleverse, waiting a while until they can restart the game.

That or blood radiation is a sign that you've been inHABITed at some point in time, but that's looking less and less likely the more we see of Evan (especially Candle Evan).


I. I think I love this theory. I want to marry it and have kids with it.

And I'm only interested in further testing in so far as to figure out how far the radiation extends. If it's just their blood okay, but if their entire bodies are saturated with it from the inside that's important to know.
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Jsor wrote:
I wonder if rather than being corrupted by Slendy, if the people in the Candleverse are actually DERIVED from him somehow. That is, the usual expression of a "blood relative" where someone else is actually physically related to you via reproduction. Now, I'm not saying Slendy actually had sex with their moms, but perhaps Slendy is, in some way, their father/creator. As such, as the idiom goes, Slendy's blood runs through their veins. This would explain why in the MT4 letters, Slendy actually acts fatherly towards them, playing games with them, "protecting" them (e.g. Vince from the priest). In other words, the Candleverse is kind of like Slendy's workshop and they're basically key NPCs in his game, or dolls, or somesuch.

In addition, did anyone notice that in the Candleverse (sorry, I missed a lot of discussion, been away for a while), that they're acting almost... I don't know, playful? They're saying "when this iteration is over" as if they're saying "once this movie is over/once I finish playing Alan Wake." It's nonchalant and almost singsong. Maybe their archetypes don't actually mind the cycle, the adrenaline, the chase etc make it sort of the ultimate video game, they get spawned in bodies, get haunted, and have to figure out what to do. They just kind of suck at it and get Game Overs a lot (say it with me Dwarf Fortress fans: Losing is FUN!). And in the end, there was no real suffering more than losing at Silent Hill is, they just find themselves back in the Candleverse, waiting a while until they can restart the game.

That or blood radiation is a sign that you've been inHABITed at some point in time, but that's looking less and less likely the more we see of Evan (especially Candle Evan).


Wow, this theory actually makes alot of sense. I love it. It explains the Sigma quite a bit as well as how the Archetypes in the Candleverse relate to the current iteration. To flesh this out though, how are the Rake and HABIT related to the iteration theory? HABIT has shown up in a previous iteration (It was Evan's nickname when he was part of the MT4 and I would assume that he was inHABITed then}. Also , we know the RAKE doesn't put off Sigma being as Alex was not positive for it (i.e as an "alpha" radiation it wasn't in his blood). Jsor's theory would possibly negate Rake as being a Slendy creation because Alex would have tested positive for Sigma. If Slendy is creating the Archetype's of the MT4 and they have Sigma and Rake is not a source of Sigma then Rake is not a Slendy creation. I hope that makes sense.

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robgmartin wrote:
Jsor wrote:
I wonder if rather than being corrupted by Slendy, if the people in the Candleverse are actually DERIVED from him somehow. That is, the usual expression of a "blood relative" where someone else is actually physically related to you via reproduction. Now, I'm not saying Slendy actually had sex with their moms, but perhaps Slendy is, in some way, their father/creator. As such, as the idiom goes, Slendy's blood runs through their veins. This would explain why in the MT4 letters, Slendy actually acts fatherly towards them, playing games with them, "protecting" them (e.g. Vince from the priest). In other words, the Candleverse is kind of like Slendy's workshop and they're basically key NPCs in his game, or dolls, or somesuch.

In addition, did anyone notice that in the Candleverse (sorry, I missed a lot of discussion, been away for a while), that they're acting almost... I don't know, playful? They're saying "when this iteration is over" as if they're saying "once this movie is over/once I finish playing Alan Wake." It's nonchalant and almost singsong. Maybe their archetypes don't actually mind the cycle, the adrenaline, the chase etc make it sort of the ultimate video game, they get spawned in bodies, get haunted, and have to figure out what to do. They just kind of suck at it and get Game Overs a lot (say it with me Dwarf Fortress fans: Losing is FUN!). And in the end, there was no real suffering more than losing at Silent Hill is, they just find themselves back in the Candleverse, waiting a while until they can restart the game.

That or blood radiation is a sign that you've been inHABITed at some point in time, but that's looking less and less likely the more we see of Evan (especially Candle Evan).


Wow, this theory actually makes alot of sense. I love it. It explains the Sigma quite a bit as well as how the Archetypes in the Candleverse relate to the current iteration. To flesh this out though, how are the Rake and HABIT related to the iteration theory? HABIT has shown up in a previous iteration (It was Evan's nickname when he was part of the MT4 and I would assume that he was inHABITed then}. Also , we know the RAKE doesn't put off Sigma being as Alex was not positive for it (i.e as an "alpha" radiation it wasn't in his blood). Jsor's theory would possibly negate Rake as being a Slendy creation because Alex would have tested positive for Sigma. If Slendy is creating the Archetype's of the MT4 and they have Sigma and Rake is not a source of Sigma then Rake is not a Slendy creation. I hope that makes sense.


All Alex testing positive would mean is that he was a Slendy creation. The Rake wouldn't have imparted anything just by attacking him. Maybe there'd be some traces if he measured the radiation levels IMMEDIATELY post attack, but there's no reason to believe there's any long-lasting effect. Maybe if Evan gave the guy a blood donation...

The Rake is likely a Slendy creation, we've never seen the meter used directly on The Rake, if he didn't spike it, then perhaps he's just a natural Entity HABIT likes to use.

As for HABIT -- he seems to be the "Big Bad" of the game if you will. Slendy doesn't really do much except be menacing and make people vomit, again, he seems pretty cordial do the kids DIRECTLY (nothing to say for emotionally), HABIT is the one who seems to be deliberately inciting betrayal of them. If this is the case, then HABIT is likely the "win condition." In other words, for the EMH kids to "win" the "game," then the objective is "All four of you must survive (including Evan), while defeating, subduing, or otherwise invalidating HABIT."

However, this leads to another idea. The game Slendy is playing isn't for himself, or with the main characters -- it's with US. The guys are just catalysts for us to solve his little puzzles, for iunno, shits and giggles, or something else like "ascension" maybe Corenthal wasn't an archetype originally, and for being the key participator in the game LAST time (or god knows how many iterations ago), he got "ascended" to the Candleverse, essentially going to "heaven" (the ark, if the ark is the Candleverse) with Slendy. Who would it be this time? Likely the winner Rabbit. In other words, the whole 7 Trials thing is HABIT's bid to get a new character allied with him (like The Rake), First it was just the MT4, then Corenthal "won" the prize, now the winner Rabbit gets it. Hence why the whole thing reeks of HABIT corrupting the participants ("remember, they trusted you") and cult initiation.

An alternate theory is that the "game" being played is two sides -- Slendy and his crack team of archetypes, and HABIT, the guy who possesses the Firebrand archetype and causes general mayhem. So far, Slendy loses every time, and it causes a bit of contention between them (leading to the "remember who brought you the little fish" conversation). Though this humanizes Slendy a bit too much, it makes him sound like a guy playing Chess with his roomy.

Edit, found evidence for the "ascension" theory:

"YOU, TOO, ARE ON THIS SAME. SINKING. VESSEL."

Here, he's not addressing everyone, just the winner.

"THE GREAT FLOOD SHALL WASH AWAY ALL THE ASH, READYING THE WORLD FOR ANOTHER GREATER, CYCLE"

"Greater" cycle? Perhaps he's implying the cycle will be more complex, like how the trials in this one were purportedly new, and perhaps Dr. Corenthal being in the Candleverse was new. Now he's saying "you'll be added to the roster, it'll be FUN!" In his evil, crazy, HABIT sort of way.

Edit2:

Unrelated note --

"THE GUARDIAN SHALL LOSE HIS HEARTAND THEN HIS BLOOD AND FIGHT TO LOSE ALL HE LOVES"

I think we're getting to the culmination with the Alex part. At this point, with Jeff forbidding Alex to see Evan, he's alienating his brother and losing his control, becoming less able to "guard" him, if you will. Perhaps this is only a symbolic loss, but depending on how the next Firebrand line goes, could turn into a literal one if Evan feels betrayed at Jeff's mistrust and it leads us into

"THE FIREBRAND SHALL LEAD AN OFFENSE AS HE MIGHT, ONLY TO SUCCUMB TO THE WAR WITHIN"

And he kills Alex, maybe? It would be symbolic that Jeff caused Evan to kill Alex by being so mistrustful, causing even to feel SO betrayed he gives in to HABIT.

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Jsor wrote:
I wonder if rather than being corrupted by Slendy, if the people in the Candleverse are actually DERIVED from him somehow. That is, the usual expression of a "blood relative" where someone else is actually physically related to you via reproduction. Now, I'm not saying Slendy actually had sex with their moms, but perhaps Slendy is, in some way, their father/creator. As such, as the idiom goes, Slendy's blood runs through their veins. This would explain why in the MT4 letters, Slendy actually acts fatherly towards them, playing games with them, "protecting" them (e.g. Vince from the priest). In other words, the Candleverse is kind of like Slendy's workshop and they're basically key NPCs in his game, or dolls, or somesuch.

In addition, did anyone notice that in the Candleverse (sorry, I missed a lot of discussion, been away for a while), that they're acting almost... I don't know, playful? They're saying "when this iteration is over" as if they're saying "once this movie is over/once I finish playing Alan Wake." It's nonchalant and almost singsong. Maybe their archetypes don't actually mind the cycle, the adrenaline, the chase etc make it sort of the ultimate video game, they get spawned in bodies, get haunted, and have to figure out what to do. They just kind of suck at it and get Game Overs a lot (say it with me Dwarf Fortress fans: Losing is FUN!). And in the end, there was no real suffering more than losing at Silent Hill is, they just find themselves back in the Candleverse, waiting a while until they can restart the game.

That or blood radiation is a sign that you've been inHABITed at some point in time, but that's looking less and less likely the more we see of Evan (especially Candle Evan).


Wow, this theory actually makes alot of sense. I love it. It explains the Sigma quite a bit as well as how the Archetypes in the Candleverse relate to the current iteration. To flesh this out though, how are the Rake and HABIT related to the iteration theory? HABIT has shown up in a previous iteration (It was Evan's nickname when he was part of the MT4 and I would assume that he was inHABITed then}. Also , we know the RAKE doesn't put off Sigma being as Alex was not positive for it (i.e as an "alpha" radiation it wasn't in his blood). Jsor's theory would possibly negate Rake as being a Slendy creation because Alex would have tested positive for Sigma. If Slendy is creating the Archetype's of the MT4 and they have Sigma and Rake is not a source of Sigma then Rake is not a Slendy creation. I hope that makes sense.
Here's a test for them to do; We know the Rake doesn't have the external output, but what of the rake's blood? If this is a game, maybe the Rake is a referee. He might enforce rules about the game they play.

HABIT alluded to the rule "NO OUTSIDE HELP". If the test indicate "players", and Alex doesn't test positive, Maybe the rake is punishing him for trying to break the rules.


Also, I think someone needs to step up, Evan, and needs to collect a blood sample from The Rake to test, for science.

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 		Yes, I like this Slendyspawn idea as well. It would go a long way towards explaining why Slendy isn't killing them off and why he and HABIT seem in opposition over them. That could maybe even explain why Slendy snatched Jessa; maybe he's trying to eliminate any emotional bonds between his "children" and the rest of humanity.

Now I really wonder what would happen if one of them were to donate blood.

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 		Start the next trial already, HABIT!

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Start the next trial already, HABIT!


That actually reminds me.

I wonder what HABIT would have said if the Rabbits had said "sigma" was their favorite kind of blood?
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 		These are really, REALLY interesting theories...

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some neat stuff about "Ascension Theory"


I like this. A lot. I don't know how true it will turn out to be, but I like it. It's scary and wonderful.
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Start the next trial already, HABIT!


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 		Remember when this thread was always constantly being updated?

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 		It's better than the Marble Hornets forum, where the thread is updated every 10 minutes in an endless, unnecessarily hostile, mostly stupid argument between videos about how the third pixel from the left between 0:12 and 0:15 CLEARLY proves Jessica is/isn't Jay's evil fraternal twin... or whatever.

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