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don't know all them connections.

But to me there is a point - that just because something is connected doesn't mean it is the same universe...With Observe and Terminate people should realise that.

Also For Banished Zaber - another connection to add to the chart http://riskdeath.blogspot.com/ - Sequel to Testing123 and technically connected to The Tutorial through that angora chat crossover.
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And ML Andersen was mentioned by Xakk from 5zer02 in a TJA video.

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Regarding Youtube weirdness: When I pulled up the new video last night, I noticed that Youtube was giving me the option to subscribe to the EMH channel, which presumably means it thought I wasn't already subscribed even though the channel was showing up in my subscriptions on the front page. Maybe Youtube has suffered a glitch in its subscriptions database?

On the crossover/shared universe front, for the time being I'm sticking to thinking of it as being a sort of Hypertime thing: The Noah we see in EMH isn't the same Noah that we see in TT but is an analogue identical in every way except those details that would contravene or undermine EMH canon. They're right-next-door parallel universes, so close that EMH Noah and TT Noah (and the EMH Hybrids and the TT Hybrids) are often performing identical actions but in a slightly different context.

Regarding Linnie: It occurred to me late last night that the temporal mystery could be resolved by the title of the video in which we saw her: "Cops Checked, No Body." The Linnie we saw freshly dead in 2010 is the same Linnie who went a-wandering and was killed in late 1990/early 1991, only her corpse was temporarily thrust forward in time in the same way that Corenthal was time-slipped in "Corenthal Connection". The Corenthal video doesn't give us any clear information about the rules of time travel in EMH--it just now occurred to me on rewatching that it's likely the boys traveled back in time briefly, rather than Corenthal traveling or projecting forward--so there's no reason to believe that a letter plucked from the temporally displaced Linnie wouldn't persist after the body snapped back to 1990/1991.

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A scattered reply to various points that have been brought up:

- YouTube only emails updates for about half of my subs, even though they're all set the same way. It's a known glitch; YouTube's "working on it."     

- I tend to view crossovers as instances of universes overlapping, instead of one shared universe with overlapping stories. I just find it easier to keep the various mythologies straight that way. I do think that all the overlapping universes share one Slenderman. He's the thread that connects them, and probably what causes the dimension-slippage. 

- So what caused the Dark Harvest crew's car to break down in the first place? And if Evan's magic hand wave started it up, does that mean whatever caused the Sigma radiation is more powerful than whatever caused the breakdown? I'm wondering if maybe HABIT was flexing for Slenderman's benefit. If that's what happened, I want to think Slendy was just indulging HABIT's "little games" again.

Now some points that haven't been covered: 

- Dr. C's vision intrigues me. The Linnie part of the dream was a vision of the future, but what about the sex? Who was gettin' it on, and was he seeing into the future, the present, or the past? I'm thinking he was seeing someone's conception. So let's break down the possibilities. The dream happened in Dec. 1990. 
-- At that point, EMH!Evan was a tiny baby, and both EMH!Jeff and EMH!Vince were already in utero (unless someone was a preemie). If it's a vision into the past, it could be any one of them (or Linnie, or even any of the MT4). 
-- If it's a vision into the future, it could be Alex. Seeing Alex's conception spliced with conversation about Linnie might make sense, since they're both stalked by The Rake and neither seems to be caught in the Iteration Cycle.  
-- Another possibility is Nick, when HABIT was raping his mother. That could be a vision of near past, the near future or the present, depending on Nick's age. You'd think if it was a rape, Dr. C would describe it as such, but it's possible that HABIT possessed Nick's mother instead of using physical force. A different method, but rape nonetheless. *Shudder* That would be even more horrific for the victim, I think.          

Whatever he was seeing, I'm really hoping Dr. C's dream is a sign that he was becoming more than human. I'd love to see him show up as an opposing force to HABIT. It's a stretch, but I can hope. 

- Why was Evan so focused on Noah's HABIT postcard there at the end? Had he seen it before, perhaps?

- Lastly, nobody's mentioned this. 
DH: "Why are you filming?" 
EMH: [pause] "Habit." 
Hmm... Simple play on words or what?
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tijde wrote:
A scattered reply to various points that have been brought up:
-- At that point, EMH!Evan was a tiny baby, and both EMH!Jeff and EMH!Vince were already in utero (unless someone was a preemie). If it's a vision into the past, it could be any one of them (or Linnie, or even any of the MT4). 


I was curious about this, and wondering how much research the PMs might have done. According to Wikipedia, the normal human gestation range is 37 to 42 weeks; with a December 14, 1990 conception, it looks like an unremarkable birth date would be between August 30 and October 4, 1991. Assuming OOG Jeff and IG Jeff have the same birthday, that's tantalizingly close.

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MesserTod wrote:
The chart that connects some of the blogs to TT and EMH? I've seen that, but it does nothing to capture the scope of the crossovers. The slenderblogs connected to Strahm are ALL interconnected, and it gets more convoluted every day. To connect that mess of storylines and monsters to the major vlogs is like connecting a huge mess of tangled Christmas lights to a power source. It's pretty, but it doesn't help anyone in untangling them.


Oi. Leave me out of that. They do their thing, I do mine XP

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Mattwan wrote:
tijde wrote:
A scattered reply to various points that have been brought up:
-- At that point, EMH!Evan was a tiny baby, and both EMH!Jeff and EMH!Vince were already in utero (unless someone was a preemie). If it's a vision into the past, it could be any one of them (or Linnie, or even any of the MT4). 


I was curious about this, and wondering how much research the PMs might have done. According to Wikipedia, the normal human gestation range is 37 to 42 weeks; with a December 14, 1990 conception, it looks like an unremarkable birth date would be between August 30 and October 4, 1991. Assuming OOG Jeff and IG Jeff have the same birthday, that's tantalizingly close.


Yeah, that's why I put the preemie note in there. My first guess before looking at the birth dates was Jeff. The IG Timeline on the wiki puts his birthday sometime in August. Anyone know how we got that? And what's OOG Jeff's birthday? I seem to recall IG Jeff recently having a birthday; everyone was worried he wouldn't reach 20. (Personally, I always kinda thought Jeff's "19 years" quote in -.-. referred to 19 years of ignorant bliss about the Slonders, HABIT, Candleverse, etc. But that's beside the point.)
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Jesus, that chart actually gives me a little insight as to why some are so stubborn when it comes to the idea of a crossover. Obviously, you absolutely don't have to be familiar with the majority of that (or really any of it outside of EMH) to enjoy EverymanHYBRID... but at the same time that's a lot of different stuff going on simultaneously. You end up with Slenderman doing MANY different things to MANY different people. That does add to the mystery of him and shows that he clearly doesn't operate on the same perception of time as you and I, which I like.

Although, (at the risk of going a little off topic) is it possible for Angel's Game to truly exist within the same universe as everything else it's being linked to up there? From what I understand, it turned out that Slenderman was never actually involved and it was a different supernatural entity trying to impersonate him. So does that make them irrelevant to the rest of the universe, or do they still get to exist in this same level of reality and therefore make it so their entities exist in the same world as Slenderman... yet they aren't Slenderman themselves.

Oh dear, I think I've gone cross eyed.

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taylortexas wrote:
Although, (at the risk of going a little off topic) is it possible for Angel's Game to truly exist within the same universe as everything else it's being linked to up there? From what I understand, it turned out that Slenderman was never actually involved and it was a different supernatural entity trying to impersonate him. So does that make them irrelevant to the rest of the universe, or do they still get to exist in this same level of reality and therefore make it so their entities exist in the same world as Slenderman... yet they aren't Slenderman themselves.


I think Angel's game was set in an alternate universe, where Slenderman had less power. Once the Angel's Game series played out, Stephen was pulled into this universe, with its much more powerful Slenderman, and started the Hiscollector blog. But I'm not entirely sure, since Hiscollector hasn't crossed over with anything big as far as I know.

tl;dr Angel's Game is set in a separate universe, Hiscollector might reside in the same universe as EMH, TT, etc.

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taylortexas wrote:
Jesus, that chart actually gives me a little insight as to why some are so stubborn when it comes to the idea of a crossover. Obviously, you absolutely don't have to be familiar with the majority of that (or really any of it outside of EMH) to enjoy EverymanHYBRID... but at the same time that's a lot of different stuff going on simultaneously. You end up with Slenderman doing MANY different things to MANY different people. That does add to the mystery of him and shows that he clearly doesn't operate on the same perception of time as you and I, which I like.

Although, (at the risk of going a little off topic) is it possible for Angel's Game to truly exist within the same universe as everything else it's being linked to up there? From what I understand, it turned out that Slenderman was never actually involved and it was a different supernatural entity trying to impersonate him. So does that make them irrelevant to the rest of the universe, or do they still get to exist in this same level of reality and therefore make it so their entities exist in the same world as Slenderman... yet they aren't Slenderman themselves.

Oh dear, I think I've gone cross eyed.


Ah, I can explain this, and it's actually quite brilliant when you think about it.

Angel's Game did in fact take place in a world separate from the others where there was no Slender Man, just a nephilim/angel/demon thing that took on his appearance. One of the few surviving characters from Angel's Game, Stephen, later encountered the REAL slender man and was dragged across a dimensional border to a parallel world (This one being the one where APCollection and Hiscollector take place) where the parallel Angel's game characters are all alive. So while the APCollection/HisCollector universe MIGHT be part of this general slenderverse, it's confirmed that Angel's Game WAS in a parallel one.

As for whether the AP/Collector universe is part of the general mythos, the connection the rest of the universe is through Observe and Terminate. Collector (AG!Steven) killed many people, causing the PTC to put a hunt out for him, but the dimensional bleeding plot point makes EVERY O&T crossover ambiguous.

The Dimensional Bleeding theory dictates that many stories do take place in separate universes. As Slender Man travels between universes, the borders get destabilized and universes connect, sometimes forever, sometimes for a few months, sometimes for a day. The O&T core universe is in constant flux and comes into contact with different universes at different points, many of which have different laws. So while they may have been connected to the hiscollector/APCollection universe during their crossover, they may be disconnected now. Without the O&T Link, it remains separated.

TL;DR - Under this theory, dimensions of the slender verse are disconnected and connect only for "as long as they need to", which is at the discretion of the writers involved.

EDIT - MesserTod ninja'd me and said it much better, but I just typed a wall of text and BY GOD I WILL POST IT.

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It's a nice chart, but I want nothing whatsoever to do with it in terms of how I view or perceive these vlogovers. I think they're very simple - X to Y to Z, etc and beyond that don't think about it too much or put them too close together in mind. I don't bring the blogs into it myself.
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MesserTod wrote:
taylortexas wrote:
Although, (at the risk of going a little off topic) is it possible for Angel's Game to truly exist within the same universe as everything else it's being linked to up there? From what I understand, it turned out that Slenderman was never actually involved and it was a different supernatural entity trying to impersonate him. So does that make them irrelevant to the rest of the universe, or do they still get to exist in this same level of reality and therefore make it so their entities exist in the same world as Slenderman... yet they aren't Slenderman themselves.


I think Angel's game was set in an alternate universe, where Slenderman had less power. Once the Angel's Game series played out, Stephen was pulled into this universe, with its much more powerful Slenderman, and started the Hiscollector blog. But I'm not entirely sure, since Hiscollector hasn't crossed over with anything big as far as I know.

tl;dr Angel's Game is set in a separate universe, Hiscollector might reside in the same universe as EMH, TT, etc.


If I'm remembering correctly it's crossed over with one or two things that are explicitly Fear Mythos rather than pure Slenderman. I'm still not certain that the gasmask character in Angel's Game wasn't meant to be that universes version of the Archangel.

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redwulf25_ci wrote:
MesserTod wrote:
I think Angel's game was set in an alternate universe, where Slenderman had less power. Once the Angel's Game series played out, Stephen was pulled into this universe, with its much more powerful Slenderman, and started the Hiscollector blog. But I'm not entirely sure, since Hiscollector hasn't crossed over with anything big as far as I know.

tl;dr Angel's Game is set in a separate universe, Hiscollector might reside in the same universe as EMH, TT, etc.


If I'm remembering correctly it's crossed over with one or two things that are explicitly Fear Mythos rather than pure Slenderman. I'm still not certain that the gasmask character in Angel's Game wasn't meant to be that universes version of the Archangel.


Can you give some examples? It would be great if there was a connection to the Fear Mythos, but the lack of symbols (Archangel's triangles) makes me think the resemblance was little more than coincidence.

But then again, Slenderman existed in a weaker form, so I guess Archangel could as well...

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Did anybody else notice that the distortions were different?

The distortions when we see slendy after EMH meet the DH crew, is the pretty typical "color" distortion as seen in past EMH videos. However, at the train station, we get distortion more akin to what we've seen in TT in the past, which is distinct to EMH's distortion.

I think this supports the multiple slendy theory, but maybe I'm just making something out of nothing.

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MesserTod wrote:
redwulf25_ci wrote:
MesserTod wrote:
I think Angel's game was set in an alternate universe, where Slenderman had less power. Once the Angel's Game series played out, Stephen was pulled into this universe, with its much more powerful Slenderman, and started the Hiscollector blog. But I'm not entirely sure, since Hiscollector hasn't crossed over with anything big as far as I know.

tl;dr Angel's Game is set in a separate universe, Hiscollector might reside in the same universe as EMH, TT, etc.


If I'm remembering correctly it's crossed over with one or two things that are explicitly Fear Mythos rather than pure Slenderman. I'm still not certain that the gasmask character in Angel's Game wasn't meant to be that universes version of the Archangel.


Can you give some examples? It would be great if there was a connection to the Fear Mythos, but the lack of symbols (Archangel's triangles) makes me think the resemblance was little more than coincidence.

But then again, Slenderman existed in a weaker form, so I guess Archangel could as well...


Well, I thought the organization detailed at Observe and Terminate was related to similar paramilitary groups (STAB, Sergent Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band) in the Fear Mythos but it looks like I may be wrong. However, there is a degree of connection through the Reintegration Tablet which is found in both universes. You can find the tablet commenting on many of the Fear Blogs.

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