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TheNightmareComplex
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What do we call the wacky labyrinth house in MH from awhile back? Or, for that matter, the EMHverse we've occasionally seen with time distortion, the endless siren, it always being either day or night, abandoned, all that stuff? There's also the pertinent House of Leaves passage they indicated some time ago. And "time and space flee every which way, disregarding your beloved logic."

Once we dump logic, we are left with the wildly (im)possible, and that begins for me with the timeframe on how old those kids would've been around 1981.


The alteration of TIME and SPACE does not create alternate universes, it alters this one. Do you know what I call the "wacky labyrinth house in MH"? I call it a time/space manifold phenomena of high-dimensional space. Time travel and space travel, that's a damn given, but it doesn't account for anything I've brought query to. Documents from fifty years ago aren't enough to get you into a public highschool, I'm positive notarization would have expired by then.

When you take away the logical, you are left with the irrational. If you approach the irrational as the impossible, you will go insane. If you approach the insane with logic, you can begin to piece it all back together.

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They have done the hopping through space thing though. 780f76.avi, dude. If that's not space hopping I don't know what is.


To avoid further confusion, I am going to break down what I said very carefully.

"Hopping through space does not an alternate reality make."

Let's take the first half of that.

"Hopping through space..."

This seems to be the key feature of the sentence fragment, correct? It's the one everyone focused on, at least. Thinking about WHY I would mention it, it clearly means I have been a witness to the EMH crew space-hopping.

"... does not an alternate reality make."

Taking this fragment out of context, whatever precedes this is now denoted as something incapable of making alternate realities.

Putting it together, "HOPPING THROUGH SPACE DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE IN AN ALTERNATE REALITY."

EDIT: GREAT, PAGE TOPPER OF TNC BEING A FUCKING ASSHOLE

AWESOME

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The alteration of TIME and SPACE does not create alternate universes, it alters this one. Do you know what I call the "wacky labyrinth house in MH"? I call it a time/space manifold phenomena of high-dimensional space. Time travel and space travel, that's a damn given, but it doesn't account for anything I've brought query to. Documents from fifty years ago aren't enough to get you into a public highschool, I'm positive notarization would have expired by then.


I think that suggests playing by rules that SM does not have to adhere to. Why do we assume the only documentation or setup they would have if they came from '81 to 2009 or 2010 is ancient history and yellowed papers from the '70s? We have no idea how this could work if some sort of time travel truly is involved. We have no idea what could be behind it, or how deep the change goes. The last thing on my mind is 'how did they get into school?' SM could've taken care of all of it - parents, home, history. Maybe their parents were reinvented and retrofitted along with them, or maybe they have no family whatsoever beyond Alex and they and those they interact with simply are altered not to notice.

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When you take away the logical, you are left with the irrational. If you approach the irrational as the impossible, you will go insane. If you approach the insane with logic, you can begin to piece it all back together.


That's not what I learned from Twin Peaks!

I don't think they are in an alternate reality, or come from one. I think they're in our reality, right here, right now, and that they may have come from a point previous in the same reality. And I think SM may have warped their pertinent pocket of reality around them in order to slot them into the 21st century. I think their world is being altered to suit their presence or SM's purpose, just as we've seen SM alter the world around Jay and others in MH, etc.

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 		To what ends?

HABIT tells us Jessalyn was taken by Slender Man. What was the purpose? If Slender Man wanted them, Slender Man would take them. He does not operate with terror in mind, he operates with murder. Whatever goals he has ever had, in every lore I've seen, stalking was a means to an end, and that end was always death. It does not make sense to warp the MT4 into the future, just to steal Jessalyn.
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TheNightmareComplex wrote:
To what ends?


That's the million dollar question, but we don't know yet. Maybe it's as simple as perpetuating a cycle again and again with four sick children. Maybe it's something we haven't seen yet.[/Aliens]

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HABIT tells us Jessalyn was taken by Slender Man. What was the purpose? If Slender Man wanted them, Slender Man would take them. He does not operate with terror in mind, he operates with murder. Whatever goals he has ever had, in every lore I've seen, stalking was a means to an end, and that end was always death. It does not make sense to warp the MT4 into the future, just to steal Jessalyn.


I disagree - I think so much of what SM does is about terror and infiltration, and prolonging and perpetuating the myth. Yes, innocent children and some adults can go missing justlikethat, but others are stalked and driven mad for years, living the nightmare forever. Death or assimilation may be the ultimate end but sometimes he sure seems to like to draw it out. He wants Jay to fall deeper down the rabbit hole, wants Noah to lose it, wants the media to spread, wants the boys jumping through hoops. Why else is Marble Hornets in Season 2? Why would he collude with HABIT who is conducting a bunch of trials designed like a human behavioral psych experiment? This is not just about murder, it's about driving people to a certain state. And with the EMH gang, the purpose seems extremely nuanced and specific.

But in any event I think we're both bringing subjective interpretations of his methodology into the discussion which SM simply does not have to adhere to, not mine or yours. As for Jessa, why did he take her? We don't know yet. Maybe she was in the way. I don't think she was ever the real target for him. I think she was a distraction for the boys and also, something to be used as a lure. I don't think any of this is about her. She was collateral damage. I think this has always and ever been about the four kids, and possibly a couple others.

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 		He is not colluding with HABIT, from what I've seen

HABIT seems to be in direct opposition to him, evil v. evil

While I agree Slender Man's methods are terrifying and intimidating, that is, again, not the purpose I see behind his actions. They are, again, a means to an ends, which is death.

I don't count TribeTwelve as a massive source of myth-making; While it is entertainment to say the least, it is not exactly executed very well.

Finally, Jay has only met the Slender Man once. ONCE. And it might not have even been him. Everything we've seen of Slender Man was from tapes that had been recorded without Jay's knowledge, most likely by Alex's hand.


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 		You guys are using non-facts and strong assumptions as examples... For example, we don't know that Slenderman took Jessa at all. Probably the truth, but not yet a known fact.
You're all bringing up excellent arguments, but once again... we need more information. Still. Hahahah. Despite all the knowledge we have acquired, save for the things we haven't yet noticed or figured out, we still don't have enough solid facts to get too caugh up on any one theory anyways...
At the moment, I think we're playing the hurry up and wait game. We can and should definitely keep working on all this, but we're still going to have to wait for some facts. Until then I think we need to reexamine everything to see what we may have missed. Someone earlier mentioned the toy soldier- I had forgotten all about that. Maybe we could leave it somewhere and send the coordinates?

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 		I'm taking HABIT's words at face value with that, so in that regard, I have made no assumption, thank you sir.
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TheNightmareComplex wrote:
He is not colluding with HABIT, from what I've seen


Doesn't the "Snoopy" tweet from November 29 sort of suggest that, though?

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I'm taking HABIT's words at face value with that, so in that regard, I have made no assumption, thank you sir.


Not sure why you are getting so defensive. Anyways, I'm not sure what HABIT said that you're referencing. When did he say Slendy took Jessa?

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He is not colluding with HABIT, from what I've seen

HABIT seems to be in direct opposition to him, evil v. evil


I disagree. Who do we think HABIT is talking to in the kitchen? What does he say? "You, you really, you really think that you're the boss? You really think that you can just.. tell all of us - what to do, and we'll do it. They might, maybe. But me, not so much, chuckles. I know, oh, I know you're powerful. I know you're a big strong man, but you gotta remember who brought you these little fish. You gotta remember that whatever I want, I get. Whatever I want! If I want their fucking blood, then I will take it! There ain't a GOD damn thing you can do about it. You may scare Evan, but he's just a bitch. Not me. I will fuck you up the next chance I get. Now.. let's talk about these little fishes."

That's an adversarial relationship, yes, and we've seen HABIT display it on twitter too. But direct opposition? No, not at all. They're working together. That much is clear. The union is unholy and not friendly, they bicker, but it is definitely a union. They've struck a deal for or over the kids, somehow.

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While I agree Slender Man's methods are terrifying and intimidating, that is, again, not the purpose I see behind his actions. They are, again, a means to an ends, which is death.


So why didn't he kill Steph with her family? Why does he have potential victims turned minions running around MH?

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COMBO!!!!11

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 		qaqa, MH mythos has nothing to do with EMH mythos. Very Happy

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qaqa, MH mythos has nothing to do with EMH mythos. Very Happy


Yes, but TNC was talking about SM's history of behavior throughout the mythos. I was simply referencing the same to support my counterpoint. These stories also build on each other - I doubt there would've been an EMH without MH.

Since someone asked, I mentioned the toy soldier in my letter to Jeff last night, and its significance. I told him he could go to the wiki to view it if he chose; I took Lui's advance and did not attach a link to the pic in the email. The idea of triggering them visually after "Hidden Videos" concerned both of us.

I am not totally wedded to the idea that these are the same kids. I'm open to anything. But it's certainly looking like a strong possibility to me right now.

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Mattwan wrote:
TheNightmareComplex wrote:
He is not colluding with HABIT, from what I've seen


Doesn't the "Snoopy" tweet from November 29 sort of suggest that, though?


Rakkkkke

qaqa wrote:
Who do we think HABIT is talking to in the kitc--

I DON'T SEE A HABIT THERE, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? MAYBE, EVAN?

Regardless, I concede that that DOES hint at something more than direct opposition, but I still don't buy collusion for one second. It's more likely a competition.

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So why didn't he kill Steph with her family? Why does he have potential victims turned minions running around MH?

I'm going to remind you we're in the EMH section of Slender Man Mythos more directly this time, so, just getting that out of the way.

Why not kill Steph? Maybe she wasn't the target. Maybe HABIT was already dug into her, and Slender Man slaughtered the family in anger for not moving in sooner. Who is to say? Not me.

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Not sure why you are getting so defensive. Anyways, I'm not sure what HABIT said that you're referencing. When did he say Slendy took Jessa?


My the standards for being defensive are certainly lacking these days.
Can't even reinforce an opinion without being accused of being defensive! How utterly remarkable.

Try checking the HABITUAL Correspondence thread, he outright said it to Dillon Hunter.
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qaqa wrote:
lunaticfish wrote:
qaqa, MH mythos has nothing to do with EMH mythos. Very Happy


Yes, but TNC was talking about SM's history of behavior throughout the mythos. I was simply referencing the same to support my counterpoint. These stories also build on each other - I doubt there would've been an EMH without MH.

Since someone asked, I mentioned the toy soldier in my letter to Jeff last night, and its significance. I told him he could go to the wiki to view it if he chose; I took Lui's advance and did not attach a link to the pic in the email. The idea of triggering them visually after "Hidden Videos" concerned both of us.


Ahh I see!
Yeah, you're probably right about the toy soldier maybe not being the safest avenue.

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qaqa wrote:
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qaqa, MH mythos has nothing to do with EMH mythos. Very Happy


Yes, but TNC was talking about SM's history of behavior throughout the mythos.


Yes, but I wasn't saying "This means this so this" and picking apart the mythos, I was forming a psychological evaluation based on the things that are steady throughout said mythos.

I would scarcely use MH as a model of all Slender Man behavior.
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