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DavFlamerock
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distilled wrote:
- A link the to the original uF thread for the Entry, if it still exists, so that people can read the debate that surrounded it.

Oh my goodness that's such a good idea @___________@

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@Violent Violet

Sold! I'd suggest focusing on the new stuff as it'll be fresher and easier to track down. We'll all dig deeper and older as we go along. It's also possible that the job will be made easier with everyone rehashing the older entries as we'll probably unearth quite a lot of good links while doing so.

Yar!

@Distilled

That'll be trickier for the stuff that came out before MH had its own forum. That trailhead thread is a monster... Maybe links to the posts that notify everyone of the new vid?

@DavFlamerock

I noticed in the Trailhead thread that a mod offered to break it into chunks. I think they were talking with you about that actually. Is that still a possibility? It'd make things a lot cleaner for later...

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Mantisbot wrote:
@Distilled

That'll be trickier for the stuff that came out before MH had its own forum. That trailhead thread is a monster... Maybe links to the posts that notify everyone of the new vid?

@DavFlamerock

I noticed in the Trailhead thread that a mod offered to break it into chunks. I think they were talking with you about that actually. Is that still a possibility? It'd make things a lot cleaner for later...

This what you're looking for?
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28886

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Hey, um, could I take entries 6, 7, and 8?

And also if I can, I would like to create/edit the Entry 33 page as well.

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@DavFlamerock

Sweet googly-moogly that's handy! Didn't get there yet when I was perusing:D

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Sure thing yo. Updating job list now! There's a good write-up of the action in #33 on page 20 of the Entry's thread. That'll give you a start!

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Dat dere wiki

I wanna edit some stuff :[

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Hey! I'm not sure whether you wanted us to post wiki pages up here for review before putting 'em up on the Wiki, but I thought I might as well, just to see if I'm doing it like you intended it to be done.

So here's my rather long-winded summation of #24 and various related controversies. Let me know if I've missed anything important!


Entry #24
Video -- Unfiction Thread

This Entry was posted on February 16, 2010.
The description for the video was "24".

Summary
Jay, taking surveillance of himself in his house, discovers that he has once again left his room without knowing it. However, he also discovers that when he exits out the door of his room, he sometimes doesn't come out on the other side. There is strange audio, possibly music, in the background, and one major instance of audio/visual distortion shortly before he makes his unrecalled exit.

Detailed Breakdown
00:00: White text on a black screen: "Entry #24"
00:03: "The following is taken from the surveillance cameras set up inside my home."
00:10: Numbers appear on the screen in two sizes overlapping; larger size reads "00:00:00:" and is cut off by smaller size, "0.000".
Smaller numbers appear to begin counting forward.
There is faint audio in the background, sounding a bit like tinny, ambiguous music. Most of this sound is in the right channel; the left channel appears to be cut entirely.
00:11: Smaller numbers read 30.000, larger numbers read 00:00:01.
00:18: Video appears of a messy, dark room. It appears to be a living room, with a couch and a side table.
Visual distortion present in the form of rapidly jumping frames, similar to the usual visual tearing but moving up the screen.
Smaller numbers read 233.000, larger numbers read 00:00:07. The smaller numbers, after hitting 100.000, have begun to obscure the last digit of the larger numbers.
00:19: Visual distortion ends.
Smaller numbers read 253.000, larger numbers read 00:00:08.
00:27: Cut to another dark room. On the far left of the video are two screens, one appears to be a CRT television displaying a static image, the other is probably a computer. Jay is silhouetted in front of the computer screen.
Smaller numbers read 496.000, larger numbers read 00:00:16.
00:36: The image on the television screen changes. The new image is teal and white.
Smaller numbers read 768.000, larger numbers read 00:00:25.
00:40: A very small amount of scratchy noise is heard in the left channel. The tinny music has continued to play throughout the video.
00:49: Jay glances towards the television.
00:56: Jay gets up from the computer.
01:00: Jay exits the computer room through a door to the right.
01:00: Cut to an image taken from a camera inside the room Jay is entering.
Smaller numbers read 1,508:000, larger numbers read 00:00:5 with the last number obscured by the smaller numbers completely now.
The faint music cuts out.
01:03: Jay closes the door behind him and moves past the camera. His shadow is still visible on the wall.
The music can be heard again.
01:04: The music fades out again
01:07: Cut to a camera pointed towards a bed. This room appears to be Jay's bedroom, and is the same room seen in Entry #19.
The music fades back in.
01:10: Jay removes his sweater and discards it. Audio cuts in on the left channel, though it is only white noise. The tinny music is quieter.
01:12: Jay lays down on his bed.
01:14: Audio cuts out in the left channel again.
01:17: The smaller numbers read 1,993.000, larger numbers read 00:01:0 with the final number obscured.
01:17: Severe visual distortion. Static-like audio distortion, the same that has been heard in other videos (REFERENCE NEEDED) cuts in in both channels.
The distortion saturates the colors in the room vertically pixellated areas of bright reds, oranges, whites and blacks. We can still make out the basic shapes of the room, including Jay. Jay appears to be in a different position than he was a moment ago, and is now laying on his side.
The two counters have disappeared.
01:18: Jay abruptly cuts to a different position, laying on his back.
Audio distortion persists.
01:19: Jay abruptly cuts to a different position, laying on his side once more. We see him apparently moving in a slow, almost sinuous fashion.
01:20: Jay cuts to another position, this time an ambiguous one. He appears to be either turning over or somehow levitating, and is moving slowly.
The audio distortion spikes a couple of times, as if a noise was made in the room and then distorted.
01:21: Abrupt cut to Jay once again laying on his side.
01:23: Cut to a black screen, with the number counters returned. However, the numbers have all reset to 0s and the configuration of the two counts has changed. Now there is a set of larger numbers in the background that read "00:0", the rest totally obscured by a set of larger numbers in the foreground that read "00:00:00.000".
The way they count up has changed as well. We only see the smaller counter moving, and the three numbers at the end are counting up too rapidly for us to see every number; the whole thing counts up and when it reaches 00:00:00.999, it proceeds to 00:00:01.000. The smaller numbers appear to be counting seconds.
The audio distortion persists unchanged.
01:25: The counter reaches 00:00:02.000. Audio, once again tinny music, cuts back in. It is present in both channels, though stronger on the right.
01:25: Cut to an image of Jay apparently finishing the motion of turning over. He is still on his bed, in his bedroom.
The number counters are still present. The small numbers read 00:00:02.600, while the larger numbers are still mostly obscured.
01:31: Jay gets up from his bed.
The numbers read 00:00:08.500.
01:35: Jay walks past the camera out of its field of view.
01:37: Cut to the camera pointed at the bedroom's door. Jay is walking to the door.
01:39: Jay exits through the door. The image cuts away before we hear the door close.
01:39: Cut to the camera in the computer room. The door through which Jay exited to his bedroom the first time is still closed.
The television is still on, showing a different image than before.
01:41: The sound of a door closing is audible.
The numbers read 00:00:18.800.
01:42: The image on the television changes.
The numbers read 00:00:19.133.
01:51: Cut to an image of a kitchen. The lights are off except for one over the stove. The sink is full of dishes.
The numbers read 00:00:28.933.
01:53: Text appears overlaid on the image of the kitchen: "Two hours pass before
I'm seen again."
02:00: Cut to an image of what appears to be a living room or entrance-room, possibly both. There is a chair covered with stuff. There may be a door or a cabinet in the wall.
The numbers read 00:00:37.067.
02:01: Text appears overlaid: "The only door outside is blocked.
I couldn't have left."
02:10: Cut to the camera pointed at Jay's bedroom door.
The numbers on the counter have once again reset to all 0's. They immediately begin counting up again.
02:16: The door opens. Jay steps through and closes it behind him.
02:23: Cut to the camera pointed at Jay's bed. Jay walks towards his bed.
02:27: Jay pauses for a moment, appearing to regard something on his desk or bedside table, and then looks behind him.
02:30: Jay flops face-first onto the bed.
02:35: Cut to blank black screen. Audio also cuts out.
02:38: Cut to a side-by-side comparison of the video sections from about 01:37 to about 1:44. The one on the left is the view from Jay's bedroom. The one on the right is the view from the computer room. The videos show Jay going through the door to his bedroom alongside the computer room door not opening.
The counters do not match up exactly. On the left, the smaller number reads 00:00:13.213. On the right it reads 00:00:13.247. The difference is .030. This discrepancy continues.
The audio has been removed.
02:45: The side-by-side comparison repeats. The images and numbers are the same.
02:51: Cut to black screen.
02:54: Video ends.

Observations and Theories:

THE COUNTERS
- Regarding the first counter that shows up on the screen during the first half of the video: the smaller numbers could be recording frame count, as at 30 on the smaller numbers, the larger numbers hit 1, and at 60 they hit 2, etc etc. 30 frames per second is a common fps.

- Regarding the second counter after the distortion: the visible, smaller numbers appear to be a count of seconds and miliseconds. It is likely that the larger, obscured counter is also ticking, through we cannot see it.

- The counter re-setting appears to be linked to the distortion, or perhaps to the teleportative quality of the door.

- At the end, during the side-by-side comparison, the timestamp of the image in the computer room is about 3 seconds off of the timestamp on the footage that it is supposedly taken from.

THE AUDIO
- The audio that sounds like very quiet, tinny music continues throughout the video without apparently changing from place to place, or getting cut when the video is cut to show a different room. The music does not appear to be camera-specific.

- The distorted music could be a piano showtune, an old movie track, or a Navy march, played very low. If it is the latter, that could possibly connect to previous totheark videos. It could even be several different songs sewn together.

- The audio seems to be strangely selective: we hear the door open and close very clearly, but not such things as Jay flopping onto the bed.

THE TELEVISION
- The images on the television are strange, and at 1:42 may show a face. This may be connected to Jay's going through the door and not reappearing; the "face" appears at almost exactly the same moment he steps through the door.
The "face" could be:
-Jay's face
-Masky's mask
-A skull (image manipulation does appear to make it very similar to a skull)
-The Operator's face (although the image does appear to have eye sockets, so this is unlikely)
However, whatever the case, the image seems to be slightly translucent -- background elements show through slightly.

- There is also some speculation that what happens on the TV screen at 00:36 might be the Operator's face

- The images on the television could have been surveillance from other parts of Jay's home, or from outside of Jay's home. The lighting of some of the images appears to be consistent with the kind of light that streetlights give off.

- The images on the television could have been some sort of hypnotic trigger. He looks at it a moment before he goes into his room, which leads directly to the distortion, tossing and turning, and finally his mysterious exit.


THE TELEPORTATION
- Jay seems unbothered by it, and doesn't appear to be acting strangely either when he gets up to leave, or when he returns two hours later.

- The fact that Jay apparently teleports is similar to the video Entry #23, where he appears to "teleport" through doors into rooms that they have demonstrably not led to before. There is also some indication of temporal movement in Entry #23, which could therefore theoretically also be happening in this video.

- It could be, rather than Jay teleporting or the door being a portal, that Jay's entire bedroom has shifted to some other place, though the rest of his house remains unaffected. However, this is somewhat contentious given that the sound of the door closing can still be heard in the audio of the computer room camera.

MISCELLANEOUS

- J's following Warning's advice to the letter. "Stay Home...Be Alone". All that's left is "Smile for Death".

- There is a possible Operator sighting in the living room at 00:19.

- There is what looks like silhouette of a person on Jay's door, on the inside pointing towards his room. This can be seen fairly well at 01:07. The relevance of this is contentious.


There is a theory that there is no teleportation going on at all and that this video is the product of cunning footage manipulation, perhaps by totheark or Masky, intended to make Jay and/or the viewers think that a teleportation has taken place. During this time, Jay is either knocked out or taken more conventionally to another location.

Dray from the Unfiction forums states it thusly:

Dray wrote:

Pros for teleportation:
-Jay gives us evidence (he goes so far as to repeat it twice) in #24 that his door is opening and he's going through it on one side, and the door is not opening (though it is making a closing sound) on the other.
-In Entry #23, Jay seems to 'warp' between rooms, then into the closet, then in to Slendy's domain.
-In #14, Slendy wanders into Alex's room and disappears moments after he moves out of the frame.
-In #13/Exit, Alex is both next to the swimming facility and another camera is apparently filming Jay some distance from where Alex is running around; IF Alex is TTA then he would have had to warp in order to get that far.
-In #10, Alex is apparently running from Slendy. Slendy seems to move quite quickly without apparently running, something that we know that he can resort to from #4

Cons for teleportation:
-In #24 the door closes audibly from the camera focused on it, which may suggest that the visuals were looped but the audio was not replaced.
-In #23 it has been suggested that Jay is being blacked out and brought back (along with his camera) by Masky, TTA, Slendy, or whomever during his 'warps'. The fact that the light changes from warp to warp could suggest that instead of teleporting, he is conscious, then turns off the camera when 'blacked out', brought back to consciousness in a similar place, etc. The 'warp' to Masky's closet could just as easily have occurred when Masky brought him there.
-#14 is hard to explain without the use of teleportation, but just because the Operator can do it doesn't mean that Jay is doing so now. It could be that instead of literally teleporting, Slendy disappeared into Alex's mind, hence the head stigmata. (Wow, and teleporting sounded like a lame theory!)
-#13's teleportation requires Alex to be TTA. If TTA is more than one person working in cahoots, then at the time that Alex was filming around the pool complex, another person could be watching Jay.
-In #10 we only get brief glimpses of Slendy. He could have run while Alex was running, and went still when he went still. Pretty standard hunting technique I would imagine.

Pros for mundane intervention:
-We already know that TTA is proficient at video editing and has a knowledge base that extends past what Jay seems able to comprehend, as a character.
-We know that Masky is somehow able to enter Jay's house and knows where he lives.
-Masky was aware that Jay was taping himself before Jay announced it to the world via youtube -- he was looking directly at the camera in #19.
-The timer on the cameras changes three separate times in #24, something that is definitely odd, and (I don't think) makes sense to explain away with teleportation. Video distortion, maybe, but it is more like TTA's 000000 obsession than the usual static pop-fizz that we get in straight-up video distortion.
-We see that Jay tends to not remember things when Masky is around. Right up from his first encounter in #18, he starts to black out when Masky enters the equation. The first time he feels that he was hallucinating, the more recent times he doesn't remember even seeing him to begin with.
-It could follow to reason that with these facts, Masky and/or TTA (whether or not they're one and the same) was able to get into Jay's house
a) cause Jay's surveillance cameras to loop while he was transporting (not teleporting) Jay.
b) went back after the fact and edited the tape's visual.

Cons for mundane intervention:
-SLENDER MAN IS SLENDER MAN. (Really this is the biggest one. He's such a missingno that we have no idea what he's capable of.)
-Masky's ability to conk Jay out could be supernatural. If that's the case, then he may as well be able to teleport.
-There is some evidence that some members of Marble Hornets are not well. Illnesses are sometimes communicable, and in this case it seems that the illness is linked with Slendy's presence. Could it be that he's passing on some odd teleportation-like folds in space and that is linked to the illnesses?
-The narrative element in the story seems to point out that teleportation is a very likely event. While TTA has given us information that Jay can not be trusted, Jay has video evidence of what happened. If it is being lampshaded on a meta level, it seems likely that simple mundane intervention is only playing a minor role here, if any.


There is also a second "teleportation isn't necessarily happening" theory.

ktarthan wrote:
I would like to suggest the notion that perhaps not only are perceptions and electronic devices seemingly effected by the documented events, but perhaps also reality itself is flawed or being flawed. Stated another way, perhaps the reason that all of this seems so strange is that the general perception (Not only the IC cast's, but also ours as well) is unable to properly comprehend what is happening.


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JKatkina wrote:


- There is a possible Slenderman sighting in the living room at 00:19.

- There is what looks like silhouette of a person on Jay's door, on the inside pointing towards his room. This can be seen fairly well at 01:07. The relevance of this is contentious.


I'm having a hard time seeing this possible Slenderman sighting at 00:19. Can you please specify? Also, I don't think the silhouette on the door is anything relevant. If you watch closely, it actually moves with the door. Probably just a convenient pattern created by the lighting in the room. And... stuff. Yeah.

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DoubleDog wrote:
JKatkina wrote:


- There is a possible Slenderman sighting in the living room at 00:19.

- There is what looks like silhouette of a person on Jay's door, on the inside pointing towards his room. This can be seen fairly well at 01:07. The relevance of this is contentious.


I'm having a hard time seeing this possible Slenderman sighting at 00:19. Can you please specify? Also, I don't think the silhouette on the door is anything relevant. If you watch closely, it actually moves with the door. Probably just a convenient pattern created by the lighting in the room. And... stuff. Yeah.


I agree with you on both counts, actually, particularly that the woodgrain pattern was irrelevant. I was including those two things for the sake of completeness -- going through the thread for Entry #24, there were multiple people who mentioned both. However, if the general consensus is now that they are not noteworthy enough to include, I will gladly remove them again.

I'll go back into the thread again and find the image that points out the Slendy "sighting"... er. In the morning.

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Wow, looks good!

One tiny mistake that I noticed:

"0:201: Text appears overlaid: "The only door outside is blocked."

Should probably read '02:01' instead of '0:201'

Otherwise, that was fun to read through. I'm looking forward to the whole wiki being this complete and orderly. Wink

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I also think you should call him the Operator rather than Slenderman?


And that shadow on the door is actually pretty cool!

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Tyjet wrote:
I also think you should call him the Operator rather than Slenderman?


And that shadow on the door is actually pretty cool!

AAH! What a newbie mistake! Hahaha, my bad. Jeez. I'll change that ASAP.

Dray wrote:
"0:201: Text appears overlaid: "The only door outside is blocked."

Should probably read '02:01' instead of '0:201'

Gotcha! fix'd. Thanks!

*EDIT* Also, Dav, if you've giving out permissions to edit the wiki, my wikidot account is JKatkina. Can I ask why the wiki isn't open to general edits? Has there been a problem with junk changes in the past?

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Yes, and my Wikidot name is DoubleDog. Big freaking shocker, huh? I would like to be able to edit dem pages, though. But I can be patient.

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As long as we're all announcing this, my wikidot is surprisingly TheBioGuy.

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Yeah, my wiki name is Bingo Zero.

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