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shoeler
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looking through the wiki, i found a couple things that really bother me, like intense speculation stated as fact, and vice versa.

1. I think we can agree that the operator is slenderman. i don't think we need to have the qualifier every time we mention the operator that "he's presumably slenderman but we don't know".

2. On the alex page, it's stated that alex sent the entry 26 tape and text to jay, which, besides being extremely unlikely, has no evidence to support it whatsoever.

3. Brian and seth being named "parties of interest", even though they've appeared or been mentioned in like 3 entries combined.

4. I never followed just another fool, but i feel like that's separate enough from MH that it shouldn't really be mentioned.

i dunno. i feel like some things i'm being really nit-picky, but, taking the viewpoint of someone new to the series, the wiki is still a little confusing, and i'd be a little hesitant to send someone new to the series there to get fully up to speed.

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shoeler wrote:
looking through the wiki, i found a couple things that really bother me, like intense speculation stated as fact, and vice versa.

1. I think we can agree that the operator is slenderman. i don't think we need to have the qualifier every time we mention the operator that "he's presumably slenderman but we don't know".

2. On the alex page, it's stated that alex sent the entry 26 tape and text to jay, which, besides being extremely unlikely, has no evidence to support it whatsoever.

3. Brian and seth being named "parties of interest", even though they've appeared or been mentioned in like 3 entries combined.

4. I never followed just another fool, but i feel like that's separate enough from MH that it shouldn't really be mentioned.

i dunno. i feel like some things i'm being really nit-picky, but, taking the viewpoint of someone new to the series, the wiki is still a little confusing, and i'd be a little hesitant to send someone new to the series there to get fully up to speed.


1. Agreed. Where I see it, I'll edit it out.

2. Changed. Jeez, I can't believe that was even on there. (I don't think it's ENTIRELY unlikely that Alex sent the tape as a setup myself, but it should seriously not be listed as fact.)

3. They are parties of interest, though, as cast members of the original Marble Hornets student film. The cast of MH is small enough that they're all notable characters, really; we'll just have to be careful to include the information that they haven't been seen for certain since Alex's original tapes, and may no longer be players.

4. I actually agree with this, but am not 100% certain about deleting pages just yet. Hang on to this one; I'll look into it.

Thank you for your input, it's good to have new folks weigh in!

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Phenom
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I was looking through the pages and some of the pages still reference the old "Slender Hunter" gamejack.

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Phenom wrote:
I was looking through the pages and some of the pages still reference the old "Slender Hunter" gamejack.


YUCK. Really?! Point those suckers out to those of us who've been editing. I'll gladly go on a purging rampage on THOSE.

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Hey people! I go on spring break this Friday, so I'll finally get the time to do #23 some justice. I'll work hard. Especially since it's totally one of my favorite entries!
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theonewhoquestions
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JKatkina wrote:
Phenom wrote:
I was looking through the pages and some of the pages still reference the old "Slender Hunter" gamejack.


YUCK. Really?! Point those suckers out to those of us who've been editing. I'll gladly go on a purging rampage on THOSE.


Yeah, point them out so I may also no longer take them into consideration if I was previously. I don't remember this gamejack, but I did read the wiki a lot when I was starting and if I was taking information from a gamejack...

Also, I am dumb and did not read posting dates.

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Zaden
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Hey, I was wondering if I could become a member of the Marble Hornets wiki and help contribute. I'm a very anal proofreader with OCD who loves little details and is strong in grammar and logic.

I would like to begin adding and correcting information.

My user name is the same.

On that subject, on the page called Comprehensive Timeline, is says,

"November 5, 2009: totheark posts a response to Entry 17: the Signal Video. J is second-guessing his decision to return to the house.

November 2, 2009: J uploads Entry 17. However, he doesn't remember that Entry happening. He is going back to the house soon."

However, both the page for Signal and YouTube say that Signal was uploaded on November 4, 2009. It was on the fifth that Jay tweeted the link to Signal.

~Zaden

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Masky
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The Slender Man article needs a lot of work. It needs to be changed to The Operator, needs some actual screenshots of him from the entries instead of those Something Awful photos, and on the Appearances section, it's missing a few entries such as Admission, 23, and 26.

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Masky wrote:
The Slender Man article needs a lot of work. It needs to be changed to The Operator, needs some actual screenshots of him from the entries instead of those Something Awful photos, and on the Appearances section, it's missing a few entries such as Admission, 23, and 26.


Just to clarify, in the MH universe, Slenderman is not theoretically the same as the Operator. Although MH's Operator is based on the Slenderman mythos, MH was created at the same time the Slenderman was being created on the Something Awful forums. The Slender Man article on the wiki refers to the general mythos of Slenderman, while the Operator page is strictly about our tall friend/fiend from this series in particular.

There's been a lot of discussion around the forum on this lately, so I thought I'd clear that up a bit.

I think it's best the two pages stay separate, although I think some clarification on the pages might help differentiate them. Also, there should be a link for the Operator on the sidebar that currently is NOT there. Slenderman really shouldn't be linked there since it's not directly relevant to the series (or is at least LESS relevant than the Operator). I can't seem to be able to change it, so maybe DavFlamerock or somebody with that ability should be notified.
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shoeler
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completely disagree. i feel like the operator is just MH's take on slenderman, which differs from tribe twelve's, which differs from EMH's, and so on.

the operator and slenderman are interchangeable. they're synonymous. like calling tim masky or masky tim. to not say this is a slenderman ARG is completely incorrect.

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I agree that the terms "Slenderman" and "the Operator" are interchangeable, at least on these forums, because we are here to discuss MH, and so we all know the entity we are talking about. But there needs to be a clear distinction on the wiki between the Slenderman of the mythos in general and the Slenderman specific to MH, aka the Operator. So maybe the list of appearances should be moved to the Operator section, along with some screenshots of him from Marble Hornets, like Masky suggested.


the wiki wrote:
In the Marble Hornets mythos, Slender Man's proper name (if you could call it that) is The Operator. He also seems to be the main subject of the side-story Just Another Fool.

Just Another Fool isn't technically affiliated with Marble Hornets, is it? Regardless of whether JAF should be on the MH wiki at all, is it correct to say that the same being appears in that completely separate ARG? I think the wording here needs to clarify that the MH and JAF slenderbeings are different characters.

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redherring
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shoeler wrote:
completely disagree. i feel like the operator is just MH's take on slenderman, which differs from tribe twelve's, which differs from EMH's, and so on.

the operator and slenderman are interchangeable. they're synonymous. like calling tim masky or masky tim. to not say this is a slenderman ARG is completely incorrect.


Based on the bolded statements, I'd say you don't disagree with me.

I wasn't saying this isn't a Slenderman ARG. It is. In fact, I mentioned that it was created right when the Slenderman mythos was being formed.

The point I was trying to make is that we shouldn't be merging the two articles because the Slenderman one (if you read it) is about the mythos created on Something Awful, which does not necessarily match up with the Operator from this story (some of the mythos was created after MH started, and so far there haven't been hints in the series that all of those attributes of Slenderman are present in the Operator).

Yes, they are interchangeable, but the Operator is different in that it's MH's take on Slenderman, as you point out that EMH and TT have entirely different takes on the mythos as well. That's why I suggested the Operator page specifically be about MH's antagonist while the Slenderman page be about the mythos at large. It's confusing, IMO, to read through the mythos in general before the series-specific description. How many threads and theories have been thrown out by new members making assumptions about the Operator based on OOG mythos? Plenty, especially lately, hence my response on here. I think it'd be helpful to make that separation more clear so that when new people go to the wiki, they aren't reading the mythos and assuming it's all true for MH.

Sorry for the WOT, but I wanted to make sure I clarified since I don't think I made my point well last night when I posted that. I'm not saying Operator != Slenderman, but in the case of MH they are different and the wiki shouldn't assume they are synonymous when discussing the mythos (unless the Operator page had an 'Out Of Game Mythos' section or something to clarify it's not necessarily all MH-specific).

tl;dr, I didn't mean to say that the Operator is not Slenderman, but that the wiki should reflect and clarify the differences between MH's version of Slenderman the the mythos in general.

(EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not trying to be antagonistic. This thread is specifically about the wiki, and my suggestion is based on the way the wiki represents things. Of course MH is a SlenderARG, and of course the Operator is an iteration of Slenderman, but that's just it - an iteration. If I made a wiki about Smallville, I wouldn't put everything about that show's Clark Kent on the page with general Superman mythos from outside the show, I'd have a page for the mythos and a page for the show's version of Clark. I feel the same goes for our wiki.)
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Here's what I'd ask: why give a full page to Slender Man that is devoted almost entirely to concepts from outside of the game?

Make "Slender Man" a subsection of the main Operator page and include a brief writeup in there covering the origin of the concept, its influence on MH, and toss in a disclaimer that the MH guys have their own interpretation of the myth - hence their use of the term "Operator" - and that no Slendy-related material that doesn't originate within Marble Hornets itself should be taken as shedding any light on Marble Hornets because the creators aren't bound to sticking to someone else's canon.

At the moment the Slender Man page seems to be almost entirely devoted to two things:
- References to non-MH sources like the Victor Surge pics and Just Another Fool, which should be purged from the wiki entirely because they're not about Marble Hornets.
- Redundant information such as a list of sightings of Slendy in MH, which should really be on the Operator page.

For that matter, the Just Another Fool page needs purging. It reproduces a bunch of JAF posts and gives absolutely no insight into Marble Hornets itself. There are plenty of resources around that are intended to give general overviews of all Slendy side stories - the Slender Review, Slenderbloggins, and the (excellent) compileTRUTH are what comes off the top of my head, plus there's the Slender Man boards on here and on Slender Nation.

Why is the wiki devoting a whole (lengthly) page to Just Another Fool and not any other of the dozens of slenderblogs out there? That might - *MIGHT* - have made sense when the wiki started out and we just had MH and JAF and that was it, but at this stage there's absolutely no point including it. It needs to be deleted and all the pages relating to it need to be deleted, because at the moment it's misleading people into believing JAF has actual official connections to MH, and that's not true of any side stories.

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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
Here's what I'd ask: why give a full page to Slender Man that is devoted almost entirely to concepts from outside of the game?

Make "Slender Man" a subsection of the main Operator page and include a brief writeup in there covering the origin of the concept, its influence on MH, and toss in a disclaimer that the MH guys have their own interpretation of the myth - hence their use of the term "Operator" - and that no Slendy-related material that doesn't originate within Marble Hornets itself should be taken as shedding any light on Marble Hornets because the creators aren't bound to sticking to someone else's canon.


This.

Makes more sense than a) only having a 'Slenderman' thread or b) keeping them separate (I can admit when I'm wrong Razz ). Good call, awakeasaurusrex.

I'll throw up the idea on the Wiki thread. I'd like to know Zeta Kai and JKat both seem to be in agreement considering they pretty much devoted themselves to editing the wiki.

^ Here ya go!
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shoeler
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redherring wrote:
The point I was trying to make is that we shouldn't be merging the two articles because the Slenderman one (if you read it) is about the mythos created on Something Awful, which does not necessarily match up with the Operator from this story (some of the mythos was created after MH started, and so far there haven't been hints in the series that all of those attributes of Slenderman are present in the Operator).


alright, i can dig that. i thought you were saying they weren't the same, or something along those lines. general mythos should definitely be separated from MH's slenderman, whether a different page or a subsection like someone just suggested.

and not antagonistic. just friendly debate to make the wiki better Smile

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