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[VIDEO] Entry #33
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Playmer
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Indextic wrote:
Has anyone confirmed whether or not TTA was chasing Jay or going into Jessica's room?


For the moment, just for the sake of making the explanation easier, lets assume that it was an OOG mistake, and that the two removes about to be mentioned are Jay's which is the room TTA comes out of, and Jessica's which Jay comes out of.

Jay goes through the junction between his room and Jessica's room, he then looks back at TTA, and shuts the juntion door while leaving via the main entrance, ergo, the hallway door. As he runs he turns around to see TTA stumbling out with either a limp, a concussion stumble, or simply losing his balance. Upon this stumble regardless of what caused it, he leaned against Jessica's door frame torwards the camera, however, he kept moving, he was simply using to to regain his balance, and attempting to regain speed and catch up to our hero. It is at this time that Jay turns the camera around and to the floor, and we stop following TTA.

The main issue with the theory that anyone posits about TTA going back to Jessica's room, is that it doesn't make sense. Because regardless of whether he were to catch Jay or not, the room and/or rooms would still be there for pilfering. Even if all he wanted to do were to scare Jay off, then he'd be at no disadvantage if he were to continure following, or just say "Fuck it, that maglight hurt, I'm going to go bandage that mofo." (Ignoring the possibility Jay didn't hit him for the moment, it doesn't matter, we don't know his motives, but theres still stuff in those rooms he could use.

The point being, all evidence suggests that TTA follows Jay for at least a short time longer.

Indextic wrote:
If the room teleportation theory is correct, then whose room would he have been going into?


Now, as far as the teleportation goes, there are several points I'd like to make.

1. This is the first time we've seen doors that teleport, that stay open and continuously teleport (ala a wormhole rather than traditional teleporting).
2. Isn't it a bit convenient that TTA, in what was presumably Jay's room left via the main entrance, but still came out the door next to the wormhole room?
3. Actually thats pretty much it, I thought I needed 3, but I didn't.

Now I'm not trying to discount this theory, I actually quite like it, however it means that Jessica is all alone with TTA, and that TTA has more power then I think most of us considered possible for him. In my case, I didn't think he personally wielded any more power than Jay, touched though he was by our Operator.

{Edit: I'm referring to the fact that assuming the rooms weren't preset up like this, that TTA spontaneously changed where the door went when he touch the handle]}

Please, tell me what you think.

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Akemi-Idane
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Rebus wrote:
-words-
I'm still not convinced by the teleportation idea, as much as I want to believe.

I totally wanted to believe it, and then someone mentioned it shattering Jessica's trust, and then I didn't want to believe anymore, because EVERY. SINGLE. MOVIE. I have ever seen has done this, and it bothers me so much because I can't stand that kind of thing because I hate it when characters are dumb. And Jessica is just barely teetering on the edge of me not hating her anymore.
So, yes, I am that biased. Just because I would kindof have to ragequit any arc that involved that kind of a story.

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Salty
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Playmer wrote:

Now, as far as the teleportation goes, there are several points I'd like to make.

1. This is the first time we've seen doors that teleport, that stay open and continuously teleport (ala a wormhole rather than traditional teleporting).
2. Isn't it a bit convenient that TTA, in what was presumably Jay's room left via the main entrance, but still came out the door next to the wormhole room?
3. Actually thats pretty much it, I thought I needed 3, but I didn't.

Now I'm not trying to discount this theory, I actually quite like it, however it means that Jessica is all alone with TTA, and that TTA has more power then I think most of us considered possible for him. In my case, I didn't think he personally wielded any more power than Jay, touched though he was by our Operator.

{Edit: I'm referring to the fact that assuming the rooms weren't preset up like this, that TTA spontaneously changed where the door went when he touch the handle]}

Please, tell me what you think.


This is what I sort of failed to explain earlier. Wouldn't it have been a WTF moment if (assuming this warp door theory is correct and it's not just an OOG mistake) Masky had come out of Jay's real room? I kind of wish that had happened, actually.

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Playmer wrote:
The point being, all evidence suggests that TTA follows Jay for at least a short time longer.


Actually, I just noticed something. Around 2:10, there's a sound of a door shutting, and it sounds like it came from around where Masky was. Could that have been something else? I'm not trying to sound stubborn about what I said, just noticing things.

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Salty
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Indextic wrote:
Playmer wrote:
The point being, all evidence suggests that TTA follows Jay for at least a short time longer.


Actually, I just noticed something. Around 2:10, there's a sound of a door shutting, and it sounds like it came from around where Masky was. Could that have been something else? I'm not trying to sound stubborn about what I said, just noticing things.


It was the door he came out of closing. Hotel doors tend to close on their own.

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An Iron Front wrote:
Megarain wrote:
Another odd thought. If Masky did have access to the passcode, why didn't he just use it. Could it be that Masky can't get that close to electronic devices. Perhaps the distortions we see are a side affect of this?



Most of everything we encounter day to day is an 'electric device'. If he couldn't get close to electric devices, chances are 90% of areas would be off limits to him.

I'm more inclined to believe he didn't actually want the tapes-he made no real attempt at taking them and his attack was half-hearted at best.

Let me be more clear: Complex Electronic Devices. Safe locks, tv, cameras, etc. Light switches, not so much.

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That's exactly what I thought the first time I watched it - warp doors. . .
Glad to see other people share that opinion.

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Salty wrote:
Indextic wrote:
Actually, I just noticed something. Around 2:10, there's a sound of a door shutting, and it sounds like it came from around where Masky was. Could that have been something else? I'm not trying to sound stubborn about what I said, just noticing things.


It was the door he came out of closing. Hotel doors tend to close on their own.


I was thinking it could have been a sound of J opening a door, possibly to a closer set of stairs.

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I can offer some help on the "changing hotel rooms" theory. I go to the same university as the cast of MH (as a side, it's weird when I pass them occasionally on campus). The hallway in the latest entry looks exactly like the hallways in the dorms here. It also might help with the room layout issue. The dorm rooms here are setup where you walk into the living room and then there is a hallway with four separate bedrooms in the back. What it seems like is they couldn't stay in the hotel any longer and just decided to use the dorms instead. I hope this helps.

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madfish
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Troy posted a new blog: http://jtroyw.blogspot.com/2011/01/surprises.html

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
We're not getting another entry for a little while


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BranRainey
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People keep asking if J has his laptop. Just like to point out that the (empty) desk at the beginning is the same (not empty) desk that was at the end of the previous entry. And later, when he kneels next to his safe, you can clearly see his bag that he later uses to stash the tapes. Looks an awful lot like one of those laptop cases that has pouches/pockets for storing small things (like tapes).

So, yes, he has his laptop. And the maglite, probably.

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@madfish: thank you. I think you may have freed me in some important way.

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mellodragon wrote:

Drawing from this observation, has anyone else picked up that Masky doesn't really seem to hit Jay? He seems more concentrated on getting the camera out of his face rather than causing harm. And, if my previous idea that Masky is allergic to cameras is correct, could his stumbling/limping seen when he exits Jay's room be him fighting a fit caused by contacting said camera?

This is interesting.
Let's assume that Masky is an opposing (or at least separate) force to the Operator for a minute. Whether he's helping or scaring or attacking Jay, the mask could easily be some sort of protection from the Operator. People have stated theories about how the Operator might be able to find Alex or Jay through them being filmed. What if this applies to Masky, and the mask hides his true identity while making him recognizable (sort of like with typical superheroes). This would allow him to go about his 'normal' life (or as much of one that he has) with little to no trouble from the Operator.

If the Operator truly is 'watching' them through the cameras, then the levels of distortion could indicate how much attention the Operator is giving to the video. In this case, with all the subtle distortion that's been around Jessica and Jay in the hotel, Entry #33... well, something was bound to happen.
Still assuming that Masky and the Operator are working separately, Masky's stumble while chasing Jay could be his SlenderSickness or something like that.

Hopefully this is coherent. There is no solid evidence for any of this, that I've seen, though there's not much evidence period.

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BranRainey
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Those screenshots make teleportation look like a good possibility. J gets a fake copy of Jess's room and Jess gets a fake copy of J's, perhaps? I'm kind of torn on it. It seems like they really are in a different room, from the screenshots and combing through the last few entries. If J were just facing the other direction, the doors would be on the opposite side of the hallway (they would not be on the same side as previous entries, as they are).

But the fact that Masky bolts out of this adjoining room instead of J's room makes me think that they couldn't have teleported -- because the only way to explain it when it's as subtle as it is would be to have someone flat-out TELL US in a later entry, which really doesn't seem like something the creators would do. The way it's set up now, it's definitely not the kind of thing that most people would pick up on. Of course, it's entirely possible that's the teleportation in this entry is just a minor detail that doesn't have to be understood by the entire audience. But then it seems like way too much effort to go through, setting up another two rooms in the hotel just for some minor thing that 99% of the audience will never notice. (Maybe I'm just a lazier/cheaper filmmaker than Troy.)

I seriously doubt that it's just a continuity error, because all the hotel stuff was shot in advance. This used to just be speculation, but Troy's newest blog post pretty much confirms it to be true. Of course, it's still entirely possible that they couldn't get Tim and Jessica's actor on the same day and had to rent new rooms or whatever, but I really doubt that they'd just give up and get a different room when they had all that time to get the proper one.

The astute could also argue that "our current stash of raw footage" could refer only to entries #32 and #33, since #32 doesn't actually show the hallway and could have been shot in the wrong rooms as well for all we would know. That seems like a stretch, though. As complicated as the last two entries are (in terms of rehearsal, at least), it's not unreasonable to suggest that they had their own separate day of filming from other hotel scenes -- but I still think they would have delayed more if they couldn't get the right room. The gaps between the last three entries have been fairly short; it's not like they were in a huge rush to keep up interest or something. They could have even chopped the last few minutes off Entry #31 and made that its own entry if they were really desperate. God knows they've given less in the past.

I'm probably putting too much thought into this, but still: from watching the last several entries over and over again, it really looks like they're in another hotel room, and I don't think the creators would mess up that bad.

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Btw - for those interested, if you check Troy's blog he says:

[WARNING META OOG STUFF]
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
With the posting of Entry #33, we have pretty much exhausted our current stash of raw footage. That means we have to get back out there and do some more actual shooting. But before doing that, we've got to do a little preproduction. Things like finalizing the "roadmap" for the next batch of entries and getting rehearsals done. It shouldn't take too long, but there's probably going to be a little extra time between now and the next entry. Don't worry though, it won't be anything compared to some of the gaps we had during season one. That's a promise!


With that in mind, the code to the safe could mean that the next entry will be scheduled for release on the 11th of Feb (although, I spose being American - the date would probably be the other way around...)

Either that or its 2011 backwards...

ps. - stop posting! I'm trying to catch up with all the posts pages 1-22 and I'm at 10, if you keep theorycrafting I'll never catch up.

pps. oh no, I'm making it worse!
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