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ArkyMcArkArk wrote:
To me, it seems pretty obvious this was simply a technical issue, nothing more.




We can all agree that Jay came out of a different door than the door that had previously been seen to be Jessica's, despite having been in what was to all logic and scrutiny Jessica's room. Unfortunately, there are two reasonable conclusions to this: that a) there was some warp-door shenanigans going on (which, for the record, has happened before pretty blatantly), or b) the creators couldn't get ahold of the right room for this entry. I think the problem with the debate as to which is the correct one is that it comes down to a matter of faith -- and matters of faith fuck up any good debate. There are those who think that Troy and Joseph wouldn't make such an elementary mistake, especially knowing the nitpicky nature of their viewership, and there are those who think that they just figured it didn't matter that much.

....incidentally, it's been my experience on this forum that with few exceptions, whenever someone labels a conclusion as "obvious", it's usually the wrong conclusion. XD

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JKatkina wrote:
There are those who think that Troy and Joseph wouldn't make such an elementary mistake, especially knowing the nitpicky nature of their viewership, and there are those who think that they just figured it didn't matter that much.


I like the theory it was a warp door, but I'm on the fence of what was going on.

But I don't think he would make elementary mistakes like that judging from how he talks about going through the editing/rendering process over and over seeing about any mistakes he might have overlooked. (Don't remember where exactly I read that Sad )

If not that, I'm sure they know by now that we scrutinize every little number, letter, blips, and distortion and could turn possible continuity errors into major clues to the plot (which I <3, it's fun to speculate sometimes).

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JKatkina wrote:
ArkyMcArkArk wrote:
To me, it seems pretty obvious this was simply a technical issue, nothing more.




We can all agree that Jay came out of a different door than the door that had previously been seen to be Jessica's, despite having been in what was to all logic and scrutiny Jessica's room. Unfortunately, there are two reasonable conclusions to this: that a) there was some warp-door shenanigans going on (which, for the record, has happened before pretty blatantly), or b) the creators couldn't get ahold of the right room for this entry. I think the problem with the debate as to which is the correct one is that it comes down to a matter of faith -- and matters of faith fuck up any good debate. There are those who think that Troy and Joseph wouldn't make such an elementary mistake, especially knowing the nitpicky nature of their viewership, and there are those who think that they just figured it didn't matter that much.

....incidentally, it's been my experience on this forum that with few exceptions, whenever someone labels a conclusion as "obvious", it's usually the wrong conclusion. XD


See, I can't see it just being a simple case of them not being able to get a hold of the same rooms. Joseph said himself in that interview that he's a perfectionist, so I think that if that WAS the case, they'd have covered it up. Jay didn't have to turn around and show us the hallway.

Plus, there have been SO MANY scenes of Jay walking (more or less) the full length of that hall. I think this may have been the reason? To ensure that we noticed it?

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Tyjet wrote:
Joseph said himself in that interview that he's a perfectionist


That goes with what I was saying, although I don't know why I couldn't think of the word perfectionist Confused

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Tyjet wrote:
JKatkina wrote:
ArkyMcArkArk wrote:
To me, it seems pretty obvious this was simply a technical issue, nothing more.




We can all agree that Jay came out of a different door than the door that had previously been seen to be Jessica's, despite having been in what was to all logic and scrutiny Jessica's room. Unfortunately, there are two reasonable conclusions to this: that a) there was some warp-door shenanigans going on (which, for the record, has happened before pretty blatantly), or b) the creators couldn't get ahold of the right room for this entry. I think the problem with the debate as to which is the correct one is that it comes down to a matter of faith -- and matters of faith fuck up any good debate. There are those who think that Troy and Joseph wouldn't make such an elementary mistake, especially knowing the nitpicky nature of their viewership, and there are those who think that they just figured it didn't matter that much.

....incidentally, it's been my experience on this forum that with few exceptions, whenever someone labels a conclusion as "obvious", it's usually the wrong conclusion. XD


See, I can't see it just being a simple case of them not being able to get a hold of the same rooms. Joseph said himself in that interview that he's a perfectionist, so I think that if that WAS the case, they'd have covered it up. Jay didn't have to turn around and show us the hallway.

Plus, there have been SO MANY scenes of Jay walking (more or less) the full length of that hall. I think this may have been the reason? To ensure that we noticed it?


I'm pretty sure it's been stated somewhere (in Troy's blog, I think) that they did ALL the hotel filming in one go. So it wouldn't make sense that they couldn't get the correct rooms for just this entry.

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Fair enough! I have been significantly argued down and will accept the probability of some time/space shenanigans.

However, this raises a very interesting question, who's room was it? Please do keep in mind that the safe jay tried was Definitely locked. So, the options here seem to be:

1. Masky's room, as everyone was suggesting
2. A random person's room, could explain the locked safe/messy bed without the necessity of Masky having paid for a room.
3. No one's room, and the hotel just keeps all the safes locked (which would be not really the norm, but could be explainable as the MH crew wanted Jay to be able to test it on another safe first)
4. Jessica's room.

Now, I know lots o' folks probably would make a fuss at the idea of it being Jessica's room, but let's think for just a moment here. The only time there's really any direct evidence of warping is in the last clip, as Jay and Masky leave the rooms, making it clear that the doors they exit are far closer to the stairs than at least the ones they start out in.

This being the case, the question here is why would the doors warp like that? In the past it has seemed that the doors warp to either random locations (23) or to some unknown one (24). However, I would argue in both cases that the warpings were motivated, or at least were controlled to some extent. 23 seeming like an elaborate puzzle/game (as is to be expected with Masky/TTA innvolved) and 24 seeming like your standard hyponotism kidnapping. Therefore, I would argue that when these warpings occur, they are directed somehow.

Now, this brings up two possibilities of who might be doing the warping directing here, Masky or Jay. Whoever it is, the motivation is clearly to get them both to the stairs faster. Meaning, that this either gives evidence (assuming everything I previously assumed) to either the Masky Trying To Get Him Out Quick theory, OR that Jay is developing Masky-like abilities, and is using them unconsciously.

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Great video.
For me it makes me question if Jessica is an ally of Masky (Who I am sure is ToTheArk).

I'm leaning on the idea Jessica is working with Masky because of the distortion the camera encounters in here room. Also, the safe combo being in the room of Jessica is a pointer she knows more than she lead on. Finally, it looks like she lead Jay into her room, exited and let Masky in.

The bitch-slap fest in the room was the best. Jay really should clock that chubby douche right in the face.

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ArkyMcArkArk wrote:
This being the case, the question here is why would the doors warp like that? In the past it has seemed that the doors warp to either random locations (23) or to some unknown one (24). However, I would argue in both cases that the warpings were motivated, or at least were controlled to some extent. 23 seeming like an elaborate puzzle/game (as is to be expected with Masky/TTA innvolved) and 24 seeming like your standard hyponotism kidnapping. Therefore, I would argue that when these warpings occur, they are directed somehow.

Now, this brings up two possibilities of who might be doing the warping directing here, Masky or Jay. Whoever it is, the motivation is clearly to get them both to the stairs faster. Meaning, that this either gives evidence (assuming everything I previously assumed) to either the Masky Trying To Get Him Out Quick theory, OR that Jay is developing Masky-like abilities, and is using them unconsciously.


Well, I think the consensus is that if they were warping, then Masky would have made Jay warp into that room to separate him from Jessica or to trick him into thinking Jessica went missing/was kidnapped when in actuality she's still in her room.

In fact, this would explain why Masky would want to chase Jay out of the hotel; if Jay had time to leisurely stroll out of the hotel, he would probably notice that it wasn't his own room or Jessica's that he was walking out of.

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sp103 wrote:

I'm leaning on the idea Jessica is working with Masky because of the distortion the camera encounters in here room. Also, the safe combo being in the room of Jessica is a pointer she knows more than she lead on. Finally, it looks like she lead Jay into her room, exited and let Masky in.

I'm not so much one to come up with theories, but one that connects them, so.

Jessica could have gotten the combination from a dream:
Jessica mentioned that she'd been having strange dreams. Someone posted that she might have been writing diary entries, like how Jay constantly tapes himself. The combination was on a piece of blank paper, no lines, with the top torn off (though this could just be to hide the hotel's name, if it's the hotel's paper). If she doesn't remember how she got to the hotel, it's likely that she'd grab on to any information she gets, therefore likely she's been keeping a dream journal. If she just had a bad dream containing that combination, that may be what made her crack and confront Jay.
So Jessica may know more than she thinks she knows, because of her dreams.
[/connecting all the points on the map]

I am leaning away from the idea of Jessica letting Masky in, though. In my experience hotel doors can be pretty loud, and Jessica would have to have been careful letting him in. It's not like Masky could just wait outside in the hall, either. :I Masky could have, of course, already been in her room where we couldn't see him, thus surpassing the amazing obstacle of doors.

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the debate with the hotels: idk where i read this but apparently they filmed all their stuff beforehand up until entry 33.

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how did teleportation become such a fact in this series?

if J was teleported somewhere other then the hotel, how did he know where to run, how did he not tell us that he exited a different building other then the hotel.

its possible masky can teleport himself and other people (while they are sleeping), so if thats true then masky could of easily tped to J's bathroom and made the daring jump for the tapes.

which leads me to my own conclusion that maybe masky wants something from the tapes which is why he went after jessica first.
he didnt find the tapes so he left as J was coming or before it.

the operator symbol is definitely a sign for operator but TTA knows that and uses it endlessly to "guide" J. whatever jessica was doing in the hotel, might have something to do with TTA.

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xxxblindxxx wrote:
how did teleportation become such a fact in this series?

if J was teleported somewhere other then the hotel, how did he know where to run, how did he not tell us that he exited a different building other then the hotel.

its possible masky can teleport himself and other people (while they are sleeping), so if thats true then masky could of easily tped to J's bathroom and made the daring jump for the tapes.

which leads me to my own conclusion that maybe masky wants something from the tapes which is why he went after jessica first.
he didnt find the tapes so he left as J was coming or before it.

the operator symbol is definitely a sign for operator but TTA knows that and uses it endlessly to "guide" J. whatever jessica was doing in the hotel, might have something to do with TTA.


J was only teleported to a different room in the hotel...Not somewhere new. Probably so J wouldn't leave with Jess.

Also I think Masky wanted J to get the tapes.

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Jay has teleported besides the hotel. I don't know if anyone said anything about it but remember the house Masky was chilling in? Remember when Jay kept going in circles and it freaked him out so much he didn't want to go there ever again? What if Masky creats a time paradox or something from over exposure to Slendy? I'm sure the latter has been talked about before, but just re-saying it since it's relevant.

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TheWorld wrote:
Jay has teleported besides the hotel. I don't know if anyone said anything about it but remember the house Masky was chilling in? Remember when Jay kept going in circles and it freaked him out so much he didn't want to go there ever again? What if Masky creats a time paradox or something from over exposure to Slendy? I'm sure the latter has been talked about before, but just re-saying it since it's relevant.


that point has been brought up, but it was while he was chasing masky who was making the doors tp.

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xxxblindxxx wrote:
how did teleportation become such a fact in this series?

if J was teleported somewhere other then the hotel, how did he know where to run, how did he not tell us that he exited a different building other then the hotel.

its possible masky can teleport himself and other people (while they are sleeping), so if thats true then masky could of easily tped to J's bathroom and made the daring jump for the tapes.

which leads me to my own conclusion that maybe masky wants something from the tapes which is why he went after jessica first.
he didnt find the tapes so he left as J was coming or before it.

the operator symbol is definitely a sign for operator but TTA knows that and uses it endlessly to "guide" J. whatever jessica was doing in the hotel, might have something to do with TTA.


J was only teleported to a different room in the hotel...Not somewhere new. Probably so J wouldn't leave with Jess.

Also I think Masky wanted J to get the tapes.


at what point was he teleported was he tped to another room? the room he went into was exactly the same as jessicas. and being tped while going to the safe makes no sense.

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xxxblindxxx wrote:
at what point was he teleported was he tped to another room? the room he went into was exactly the same as jessicas. and being tped while going to the safe makes no sense.


He was teleported when he walked through the door to what he thought was Jess' room. He was actually entering what I believe to be Masky's room. Masky set up the room to make it look like Jess', plus hotel rooms generally all look the same in one building. xD

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