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[VIDEO] Entry #33
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Playmer
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JKatkina wrote:
Playmer, I love you for EVER for doing this breakdown. Seriously, this is very clear and well labelled and I don't see how anyone could say that the doors they left out of weren't different doors than they'd been staying in after looking through these. <3 Good show, man, good show!


No problem, glad to help Smile I'm just to ignore Aerokinetic until he checks out the pics and registers a complaint for me to fix. Honestly I'm just trying to help the community here by solving part of the mystery.

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though the word is "analysis", not "analyzation" /grammar nazi


If I wasn't so tired of image editors right now, I'd make a rage comic, with the *Gasp* labeled "I"M RETARDED"

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Ilwrath wrote:
The door thing was (IMO) just a hiccup in filming, one they couldnt help and thus left in as a red herring for us or just to handwave over. But thats second to my main question:

Why does everyone seem to be all agreeing on it being Masky they left the combination for J?? Is it only because of the OX on the paper?? It just seems like the more likely scenario would be (making my own assumptions that Jess and J knew each other before memory loss) J left the combination in her room in case he forgot it, and leaving it in your own room kinda defeats the idea of a safe.

Or maybe they want us to think it was just a red herring O_o

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Ilwrath wrote:
The door thing was (IMO) just a hiccup in filming, one they couldnt help and thus left in as a red herring for us or just to handwave over. But thats second to my main question:

Why does everyone seem to be all agreeing on it being Masky they left the combination for J?? Is it only because of the OX on the paper?? It just seems like the more likely scenario would be (making my own assumptions that Jess and J knew each other before memory loss) J left the combination in her room in case he forgot it, and leaving it in your own room kinda defeats the idea of a safe.


Schmedly27 wrote:
Ilwrath wrote:
The door thing was (IMO) just a hiccup in filming, one they couldnt help and thus left in as a red herring for us or just to handwave over. But thats second to my main question:

Why does everyone seem to be all agreeing on it being Masky they left the combination for J?? Is it only because of the OX on the paper?? It just seems like the more likely scenario would be (making my own assumptions that Jess and J knew each other before memory loss) J left the combination in her room in case he forgot it, and leaving it in your own room kinda defeats the idea of a safe.

Or maybe they want us to think it was just a red herring O_o


Seriously, lets not assume it was a mistake or hiccup, that road leads to madness.

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Playmer wrote:

Seriously, lets not assume it was a mistake or hiccup, that road leads to madness.


I feel that is a slightly ironic statement considering all the TP madness in here haha :p. and while from the first set of pics in the thread i could tell the rooms were different I just feel it wasn't a big enough point of the entry to justify all the hullabaloo.

Schmedly27 wrote:

Or maybe they want us to think it was just a red herring O_o


Its that's the case then more power to them, they got me lol.

Still wondering about the paper though.

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 		there is no door warping in entry 33....in some prior entries there is. In entry 33 everything is normal. jay goes into jess room and shuts the divider door. turns left to the hallways. masky comes from jays room. very simple. i know because I know, trust me

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there is no door warping in entry 33....in some prior entries there is. In entry 33 everything is normal. jay goes into jess room and shuts the divider door. turns left to the hallways. masky comes from jays room. very simple. i know because I know, trust me


Your kidding right? Look at my explanation please.

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 		I did, ur over thinking it. There is none. There being door warping here is pointless completely. If there was real warping going o.n . It would be way more apparent and actually affect the final sequences of entry 33

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the0perator wrote:
there is no door warping in entry 33....in some prior entries there is. In entry 33 everything is normal. jay goes into jess room and shuts the divider door. turns left to the hallways. masky comes from jays room. very simple. i know because I know, trust me


To reiterate what I said to someone else: did you even LOOK at the pictures? Really, "I know because I know" is just... silly, to put it gently. Either give us your evidence that trumps the in-depth and compelling series of screenshots that have been posted by Playmer. Or at the very, very least, go LOOK at them. It's worthwhile, I promise.

Ilwrath wrote:
The door thing was (IMO) just a hiccup in filming, one they couldnt help and thus left in as a red herring for us or just to handwave over.

Spoiler'd for a bit of meta:
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Certain things posted on Troy's blog have suggested that they did most, perhaps all, of the filming for the hotel ahead of time. Things like "we have tons of footage for the next few entries that just needs to be edited together" posted in mid-December, and "With the posting of Entry #33, we have pretty much exhausted our current stash of raw footage" posted just recently. If that doesn't imply that they did the hotel scenes all in one go -- and I really believe they did -- then at least it implies that they had enough time in the interim to go back and correct such an elementary mistake. They are taking this season more seriously than the last all-around, evident again in Troy's blog, so I really, really can't see them leaving in such a hotly suggestive mistake.


Ilwrath wrote:
Why does everyone seem to be all agreeing on it being Masky they left the combination for J?? Is it only because of the OX on the paper?? It just seems like the more likely scenario would be (making my own assumptions that Jess and J knew each other before memory loss) J left the combination in her room in case he forgot it, and leaving it in your own room kinda defeats the idea of a safe.

That's a darn good point! If it's been discussed, I don't recall (bad me), but I suspect that the general thinking is that it wasn't Jay because Jessica would have had a lot of time to discover it and, like, move it out of the middle of the floor during their extended hotel stay. I suppose you could counter that by saying maybe she kept it for some reason and it fell out of her things again while she was madly packing at Jay's behest, which would be fair.

I subscribe to the idea that Masky put it there because everything else about the video screams "setup" to me. I suppose that still means that Jay might have written it and left it in Jessica's room, and that Masky (creeping about as he is wont to do) found it there, went "aha!" and kept it for later Jay-fucking-with purposes. That would explain why Masky even HAD the combo in the first place, which was a big hole in the idea of a Masky-setup. Awesome!

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the0perator wrote:
I did, ur over thinking it. There is none. There being door warping here is pointless completely. If there was real warping going o.n . It would be way more apparent and actually affect the final sequences of entry 33

Oh. You're just not acknowledging it because you don't want to see it. Okay, well, then, carry on. But know that you're not going to convince anyone of anything without some actual evidence to back up your belief.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:19 pm
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Playmer
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JKatkina wrote:

Ilwrath wrote:
Why does everyone seem to be all agreeing on it being Masky they left the combination for J?? Is it only because of the OX on the paper?? It just seems like the more likely scenario would be (making my own assumptions that Jess and J knew each other before memory loss) J left the combination in her room in case he forgot it, and leaving it in your own room kinda defeats the idea of a safe.

That's a darn good point! If it's been discussed, I don't recall (bad me), but I suspect that the general thinking is that it wasn't Jay because Jessica would have had a lot of time to discover it and, like, move it out of the middle of the floor during their extended hotel stay. I suppose you could counter that by saying maybe she kept it for some reason and it fell out of her things again while she was madly packing at Jay's behest, which would be fair.

I subscribe to the idea that Masky put it there because everything else about the video screams "setup" to me. I suppose that still means that Jay might have written it and left it in Jessica's room, and that Masky (creeping about as he is wont to do) found it there, went "aha!" and kept it for later Jay-fucking-with purposes. That would explain why Masky even HAD the combo in the first place, which was a big hole in the idea of a Masky-setup. Awesome!


I'll throw my name in for thinking this theory accurate, it's had to say exactly what happened in this entry as far as Masky goes, we'll see I guess.

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 		To be honest, I refuse to follow any idea of whether Jay and Masky did or did not teleport hotel rooms. This is only because I don't really see how it will impact the story from now on. Unless Masky teleported Jay away so that he wouldn't steal his woman,(yes, I am aware that joke is old, no, I will not stop using it)I doubt we will hear anything about Jay's escape from the hotel from now on. However, well done Playmer, with those analysis photos. If I actually cared about whether or not they teleported, I would go with you and say they did. But isn't there a slight chance that maybe the reason the hall way looks different is because All the other shots of it were from one direction, and this entry has a shot of it in the other? Oh yeah, and I think Masky evolved into an Adjuchas.

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Zerda wrote:
To be honest, I refuse to follow any idea of whether Jay and Masky did or did not teleport hotel rooms. This is only because I don't really see how it will impact the story from now on. Unless Masky teleported Jay away so that he wouldn't steal his woman,(yes, I am aware that joke is old, no, I will not stop using it)I doubt we will hear anything about Jay's escape from the hotel from now on. However, well done Playmer, with those analysis photos. If I actually cared about whether or not they teleported, I would go with you and say they did. But isn't there a slight chance that maybe the reason the hall way looks different is because All the other shots of it were from one direction, and this entry has a shot of it in the other? Oh yeah, and I think Masky evolved into an Adjuchas.


I think the main impact of the teleportation theory lies not in what happens to Jay and Masky, but rather in what it means for Jessica.

If no teleportation occurred, then Jessica was either
a) kidnapped by Masky ahead of time to get her out of the picture or
b) working with Masky all along, and vacated the room so the trap could be sprung.

If teleportation DID occur, there's a big chance that Jessica was still in her room when Jay bolted, meaning that they are once again separated, with the added side effect of making it look to Jessica that Jay confided in her (or didn't, depending on what talking they got done before the trap was sprung) and then bolted, leaving her alone again. That makes Jay look like a super-douchebag, and probably means that if Jessica shows up again she's going to be hurt, pissed, or both. That is, if Masky wasn't just getting rid of Jay so that he could get access to Jessica, like you say...

I would say the debate is a reasonably important one, but that it won't get resolved until we find out what happened to Jessica.

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 		the doorway discrepancy is clear from the images posted

the combination looks like alexs writing

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 		I do not, nor really can anyone who is actually looking at the pictures/video/etc. that are related to this thread, deny that the rooms are different.

There are many possibilities for WHY this happened, however. Frankly, while I would like to think that these guys are the best ever at what they do, I think we're giving them perhaps a tad too much credit.

1) These guys are college students, with a small budget, not the best cinematographers ever.

2) While teleportation has been implied in MH before, it has never been a direct result of Masky, with the possible exception of Entry #23. Even then, there's evidence that the Operator was around, too and may have caused it.

I just don't think that it was more than a little error that they were hoping we wouldn't notice.

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 		here is what were seeing

jay goes into jess room and gets the paper.
he comes back into his room and opens the safe.
he films his face and then u see maskys hand in the background.
jay turns around and masky charges him...now pause it there
you can clearly see jess bathroom door. which is always adjecent to your rooms door.
masky slaps jay. jay swings his camera around and films the floor leading into jess room. then u see a blue ironing board leaning against the wall in jess room. next to the bathroom. at this point he is in jess room, he swings camera around through the dividing doors and catches another glimps of masky. he shuts the door that divides the rooms. he then turns left and opens jess room door which leads out into the hallway. when he turns the camera back around, her room door is still open because he just left through it. than all of a sudden masky emerges from jays room door, from jays room where the fight took place.

so jay goes into her room and shuts the door on masky. he goes for her room because its the only one open. than leaves from her main room door....its so easy to see....

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Zerda wrote:
However, well done Playmer, with those analysis photos. If I actually cared about whether or not they teleported, I would go with you and say they did.


Thanks! Though there definitely is some information here to be taken in, I'll just point you to JKat.

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But isn't there a slight chance that maybe the reason the hall way looks different is because All the other shots of it were from one direction, and this entry has a shot of it in the other?.


Nope as you can see in entry 28, and my analysis (http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2955/entry28analysation.png, the opposite end of the hall way is completely different, I chose not to explain it, but I can explain it here.

Actually, here's a pic explaining or trying to explain the rest of that hallway.

Here: http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1450/haiagain.png


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the0perator wrote:
so jay goes into her room and shuts the door on masky. he goes for her room because its the only one open. than leaves from her main room door....its so easy to see....


Sir, I don't deny that we see Jay going into "Jessica's" room, nor that we see him closing the dividing door, I have posted such explainations in the past.

What I am slightly irked by is that you refuse to admit the doors are different. They are, I have proven them as such. Now please, accept that it was a production error, or accept that it was some form of teleportation.

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