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RatheadSyndicate
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 		I actually like the pace of the revelations. I would be deeply disappointed if the characters started knocking 'em out of the park, so to speak, at this juncture. It would completely ruin my immersion. Frankly, things are going to get a whole lot worse for these boys before it ever gets better.

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Lewa wrote:
TheNightmareComplex wrote:
And that's hardly my fault.

I reiterate them because someone has to, I shouldn't stop just because it doesn't work.

Who knows? Maybe everyone will stop letting other people's opinions offend them. Because believe it or not, you shouldn't be offended by an opinion, because it is just an opinion, and nothing you do or say will change that in most cases. Who cares if he thinks EMH is shit? EMH doesn't need his fan base in that case. Let him squander his time on some other free entertainment.
Yeah, but my posts weren't made for the purposes of changing his opinion. Just putting my own out there, for whoever may be reading it. I've been thinking for a while how the people whining about EMH sound a lot like the ones who whined about LOST. This seemed like a good place to write down that observation.


For me, the series is suffering from the same thing LOST did. It started out simple enough, albeit with a few mysteries. But over time, they've just piled more and more stuff on. What's with the rake, who is Dr. Corenthal, what is the relation between the 80s (I think) Vince, Jeff and and Evan, and the modern day ones, just what the hell is HABIT and what is the point in his trials, plus more. But they never explain them, they just pile on more and more. I'm not sure if they have explanations for any of them.

And they videos just seem random now. They've always suffered from some weird kind of logic, wherein one video will have Evan go batshit insane, and the next one will have him and Vince be completely calm saying 'we're worried about Jeff', ignoring that something is clearly up with Evan. Or they'll be going mental about the Slender Man stalking them, and they'll just have a nice outing to the park, or do some vlog that's over an hour long that you have to sit through. But lately they've just lost track. What with this inexplicable HABIT trials thing, they'll just put up a video every month or so like 'Yeah, hey, things are cool. Isn' this HABIT thing weird? Not scary, just weird.' Every so often they'll remember hat hey're supposed to be being stalked by the Slender Man, and give him a plug. But it's just trailed off, like they don't know where they're taking it.

Even the HABIT trials seem random, and to haveno purpose. But I guess we'll see.

It's complex as hell, and ridiculous to follow, and that's before you even factor in Damsel, or HABIT, or Alex and the rake (though I think that's been phased out now).[/i]

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 		Yeah, I personally don't get the disappointment myself. The game went balls to the wall for months, so much so that I was honestly exhausted trying to keep up with everything. I was very grateful for the break, still am. The trials interest me but they're mostly a diversion - and I do think EMH knows where they're going with all this, moreso than shit like Lost which I couldn't stand. I do occasionally find a point here or there to be a bit off, like the whole "let's chain the Rake in the room and leave it there" bit, but otherwise I can see people - especially confused kids - reacting this way, with avoidance and ambivalence in the face of an unbelievable situation for which they have no context.

MH is a different sort of thing; IMO there the characters are much more puzzle pieces in a larger whole, and it's less about their personalities than it is about the concepts, the scares, etc. It's a clean, cold story and it's very well done, very good. EMH is different - the characters are the focus, the story is going everywhere, the tone skitters about. And I've come to enjoy it a bit more than MH, despite initially thinking they had no idea what they were doing. Now it's clear they do.

I'm glad they took a little break and I don't begrudge it. I'm not feeling the backlash; most of the time the backlash on games like this is only there til the next video.

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 		Everyone realizes this is an ARG, right

Maybe if we started treating the characters like PCs again you wouldn't be so bored out of your mind waiting for them to do something

If you recall, WE told them to go to Ashen Waste, where they ran into Slender Man

And that was an irredeemably bad decision, it was the wrong answer to the clue and they paid for it

That is an ARG

Lately all we've been doing is babying them and asking if they're okay and if THEY have figured anything out
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 		I honestly don't get how people think EMH is confusing.

I got caught up with the gist of everything happening in like a day, and got into the specifics over the course of the following week. It's not actually all that hard.

And as for the no content over the holidays... how much free time did YOU have to film an ARG? If the Seven Trials were just a distraction while they ride out this time of year and think up new material, fine by me. I waited 7 months for MH, I can wait a couple for EMH.

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 		I personally enjoy the maddening depth and layers to the mystery in EMH. Most traditional narratives are too linear and boring for me and leave nothing to mystery. (That said, I really need to own up and read House of Leaves)

It would be nice to have at least some clues, but I'm OK with things the way they are. After all, if they didn't have a PLAN for how all these things come together, I doubt they'd be stupid enough to set up all these threads. The ultimate conclusion will be either a magnificent idea with oodles of Fridge Logic involved, or a disappointing Deus/Diablos Ex Machina, but I really think in the end it will be the prior.

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After all, if they didn't have a PLAN for how all these things come together, I doubt they'd be stupid enough to set up all these threads.


Yeah, I don't get the idea that they're just making crap up as they go along. Like if we don't know the conclusion, they obviously have no idea what they're doing? Giving an ending to the mysteries in an ARG halfway through makes no sense.

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MechanicalPencil wrote:
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After all, if they didn't have a PLAN for how all these things come together, I doubt they'd be stupid enough to set up all these threads.


Yeah, I don't get the idea that they're just making crap up as they go along. Like if we don't know the conclusion, they obviously have no idea what they're doing? Giving an ending to the mysteries in an ARG halfway through makes no sense.


And what gives you the idea that they aren't just making crap up as they go along? It's not as if the people behind EMH have a long and illustrious career in which they produced finely crafted stories. We're talking about college-aged kids making a video series for fun on the internet. The writing is meh, the acting is worse but still the story has had its moments of being entertaining. That's it. Why people have decided that the writing is genius and deep (and, really, more funny to me is the fact that people actually claim the acting in this series is good) is beyond me.

The series isn't confusing or complex or deep or any of that. It's basically a B Movie with delusions of grandeur. Some of us think the EMH crew have lost their way and are just expressing another opinion. Not sure why that's so threatening to some that have posted in this thread. I haven't seen anyone just totally rip on EMH or anything.

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 		It's been disappointing to me lately just because everything seems to have come to a stand still. I hate the trials because I am not a part of them, and they seem to be going nowhere.

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Filibuster Pickwaddy wrote:
MechanicalPencil wrote:
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After all, if they didn't have a PLAN for how all these things come together, I doubt they'd be stupid enough to set up all these threads.


Yeah, I don't get the idea that they're just making crap up as they go along. Like if we don't know the conclusion, they obviously have no idea what they're doing? Giving an ending to the mysteries in an ARG halfway through makes no sense.


And what gives you the idea that they aren't just making crap up as they go along? It's not as if the people behind EMH have a long and illustrious career in which they produced finely crafted stories. We're talking about college-aged kids making a video series for fun on the internet. The writing is meh, the acting is worse but still the story has had its moments of being entertaining. That's it. Why people have decided that the writing is genius and deep (and, really, more funny to me is the fact that people actually claim the acting in this series is good) is beyond me.

The series isn't confusing or complex or deep or any of that. It's basically a B Movie with delusions of grandeur. Some of us think the EMH crew have lost their way and are just expressing another opinion. Not sure why that's so threatening to some that have posted in this thread. I haven't seen anyone just totally rip on EMH or anything.


I've just read through this entire thread and I haven't noticed anything that sounds angry or defensive except posts like this that say that other people are angry and defensive.

Also, I've been following EMH since the beginning, and I'm pretty sure the rake was not part of their original story board session. I'd say at least part of the story has been made up along the way. Not that that's a bad thing.

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Filibuster Pickwaddy wrote:
MechanicalPencil wrote:
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After all, if they didn't have a PLAN for how all these things come together, I doubt they'd be stupid enough to set up all these threads.


Yeah, I don't get the idea that they're just making crap up as they go along. Like if we don't know the conclusion, they obviously have no idea what they're doing? Giving an ending to the mysteries in an ARG halfway through makes no sense.


And what gives you the idea that they aren't just making crap up as they go along? It's not as if the people behind EMH have a long and illustrious career in which they produced finely crafted stories. We're talking about college-aged kids making a video series for fun on the internet. The writing is meh, the acting is worse but still the story has had its moments of being entertaining. That's it. Why people have decided that the writing is genius and deep (and, really, more funny to me is the fact that people actually claim the acting in this series is good) is beyond me.

The series isn't confusing or complex or deep or any of that. It's basically a B Movie with delusions of grandeur. Some of us think the EMH crew have lost their way and are just expressing another opinion. Not sure why that's so threatening to some that have posted in this thread. I haven't seen anyone just totally rip on EMH or anything.


I don't think anyone is being hostile toward you or your opinion. People are disagreeing with you. Some of them are going so far as to make rational cases for their opinion.

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 		I just wish they would tie up loose ends before introducing even more stuff. It isn't confusing but I think it would benefit from a more focused storytelling structure rather than throwing a bunch of different things out there at the same time and not really doing anything with it.

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 		I have to say I commend the guys for committing to the game element with the HABIT trials. However, I have completely lost track, I have absolutely NO IDEA what is going on with these trials, I don't know how you guys are conducting this competition and I don't think I'm going to ever understand it. I'm hoping they go back to making regular videos soon.

Thats not to say I don't think they should have done it, I think its great, I've just fallen way too far behind to catch up and the EMH community is so strong I don't think I could break back in! Cool
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 		Rathead - I don't feel anyone's being hostile toward me, didn't mean to imply that, it just seems that some are getting pretty defensive about EMH. Rational cases for their opinions? Not in my opinion but then again no one is obligated to explain himself to me (or anyone else). No one's going to convince me that EMH is deep and complex just as I'm not going to convince anyone that EMH has gone awry. However, I'm still going to voice my opinion just as I'd expect everyone else to continue to do.

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 		The only reason that we voice our opinion like this is because we see that others find it amazing. We try to show our side, and you call us trollers and haters, thereby insulting us. I always used to say how some of these slenderman blogs/vlogs were bad or good, and everyone respected my opinion. You only get attacked or insulted for it when you go after a popular one. People are comparing it to MH, which I admit has fallen a little... more than a little actually, but it is still better. I just find that if I can voice my opinion about jonclubs, DarkHarvest, and AppleforOureye w/out ridicule, why can't I voice my opinion about EMH that way too?

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