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FacelessMinion
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JiingJiing wrote:
Well, like I said before, these vlogs aren't going to be able to accurately portray mental illness, but I still think they should be portrayed within the realms of possibility. In this case, severe mental illness does not equal a very theatrical and manipulative character. And I know that a lot of people here like his character for being so colorful, which I can understand why, but from my side I feel his bad representation just takes away from the awe of watching a Slenderman series, that they are over doing it for the sake of the popularity/to increase the speed of the plot/anything besides the story. And don't get me wrong, they have great dialog, but I feel it's a dialog that's out of place for a Slenderman series.


I'd like to point out I actually stopped lurking to first poast on this one. I really have to wonder though... how does one end up determining what is valid for a Slender Man series? How are you able to actively say that Patrick is not part of the story, and is only there to "speed things along"? Aside from the fact that we're dealing with someone whose mind was broken due to the Slender Man, which ends up adding all kinds of horrible potential to the standard Multiple Personality Complex, there's another area that I feel this view is really terribly off in...

Specifically, the idea that mental illness precludes charisma, force of personality, and manipulative capability. If you really feel this, I think there are a load of sociopaths and psychopaths out there, such as Charles Manson, whose loyal followers would really beg to differ. No, severe mental illness doesn't equate charisma, but it certainly doesn't have to detract from it.

I'm just not really sure how having an actively malevolent, enjoyable character that's not Slendy detracts in any way from the Slendy mythos... Especially this one seems to be setting his sights on trying to cope with Slendy and keep his 'host' alive, if in a markedly different way then merely cowering in a corner, or recording things and hoping for outside help, or stabbing random bushes, as in other stories.

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 		Plus the already brought up point: Who says they're presenting this as textbook DID? Patrick very well could be more supernatural in origin, or not necessarily even quite a Split Personality.

What I am liking (besides the also previously mentioned hints of Doctor Who, specifically the 11th Doctor) is that Patrick is clearly more vulnerable, and also less of mister Villain Sue. He may have those interesting bits of offscreen teleportation still (and god knows where he's living anymore), and vague hints at Slender-connection, but he seems from what he says to be the opposite: That he might not be working with/under/over Slendy. That he's suffering from whatever contact he has and wants it to End.

What I saw of him originally he reminded me a bit of HABIT, except Pat actually showed up to back his claims. Now he's showing a bit more depth and less wanton EVILLLLLLLL
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FacelessMinion wrote:
I really have to wonder though... how does one end up determining what is valid for a Slender Man series? How are you able to actively say that Patrick is not part of the story, and is only there to "speed things along"? Aside from the fact that we're dealing with someone whose mind was broken due to the Slender Man, which ends up adding all kinds of horrible potential to the standard Multiple Personality Complex, there's another area that I feel this view is really terribly off in...

Specifically, the idea that mental illness precludes charisma, force of personality, and manipulative capability. If you really feel this, I think there are a load of sociopaths and psychopaths out there, such as Charles Manson, whose loyal followers would really beg to differ. No, severe mental illness doesn't equate charisma, but it certainly doesn't have to detract from it.

I'm just not really sure how having an actively malevolent, enjoyable character that's not Slendy detracts in any way from the Slendy mythos... Especially this one seems to be setting his sights on trying to cope with Slendy and keep his 'host' alive, if in a markedly different way then merely cowering in a corner, or recording things and hoping for outside help, or stabbing random bushes, as in other stories.


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grieck wrote:
Plus the already brought up point: Who says they're presenting this as textbook DID? Patrick very well could be more supernatural in origin, or not necessarily even quite a Split Personality.

What I am liking (besides the also previously mentioned hints of Doctor Who, specifically the 11th Doctor) is that Patrick is clearly more vulnerable, and also less of mister Villain Sue. He may have those interesting bits of offscreen teleportation still (and god knows where he's living anymore), and vague hints at Slender-connection, but he seems from what he says to be the opposite: That he might not be working with/under/over Slendy. That he's suffering from whatever contact he has and wants it to End.


not to mention he's darling in suspenders
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What I saw of him originally he reminded me a bit of HABIT, except Pat actually showed up to back his claims. Now he's showing a bit more depth and less wanton EVILLLLLLLL


^THIS you read my mind on, I couldn't help but feel excited at the parallels

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FacelessMinion wrote:
JiingJiing wrote:
Well, like I said before, these vlogs aren't going to be able to accurately portray mental illness, but I still think they should be portrayed within the realms of possibility. In this case, severe mental illness does not equal a very theatrical and manipulative character. And I know that a lot of people here like his character for being so colorful, which I can understand why, but from my side I feel his bad representation just takes away from the awe of watching a Slenderman series, that they are over doing it for the sake of the popularity/to increase the speed of the plot/anything besides the story. And don't get me wrong, they have great dialog, but I feel it's a dialog that's out of place for a Slenderman series.


I'd like to point out I actually stopped lurking to first poast on this one. I really have to wonder though... how does one end up determining what is valid for a Slender Man series? How are you able to actively say that Patrick is not part of the story, and is only there to "speed things along"? Aside from the fact that we're dealing with someone whose mind was broken due to the Slender Man, which ends up adding all kinds of horrible potential to the standard Multiple Personality Complex, there's another area that I feel this view is really terribly off in...

Specifically, the idea that mental illness precludes charisma, force of personality, and manipulative capability. If you really feel this, I think there are a load of sociopaths and psychopaths out there, such as Charles Manson, whose loyal followers would really beg to differ. No, severe mental illness doesn't equate charisma, but it certainly doesn't have to detract from it.

I'm just not really sure how having an actively malevolent, enjoyable character that's not Slendy detracts in any way from the Slendy mythos... Especially this one seems to be setting his sights on trying to cope with Slendy and keep his 'host' alive, if in a markedly different way then merely cowering in a corner, or recording things and hoping for outside help, or stabbing random bushes, as in other stories.


I never presented myself as someone who is professional on this and neither someone who has God like powers to state what vlog is or isn't good; this is just my opinion, and an opinion can be neither wrong nor right. I was just stating from my observation that people with severe mental illness display signs of vulnerability and confusion, Patrick has not. I'm not saying to not show mental illnesses in these vlogs, but at least portray them in a way that can be seen as real. I'm not saying someone with DID cannot be a charming person, but they certainly will not display themselves as Patrick has. And once again, this is my opinion, and my opinion is that Patrick is a very bad character and has ruined the entire series. Your opinion may be different.

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JiingJiing wrote:
FacelessMinion wrote:
JiingJiing wrote:
Well, like I said before, these vlogs aren't going to be able to accurately portray mental illness, but I still think they should be portrayed within the realms of possibility. In this case, severe mental illness does not equal a very theatrical and manipulative character. And I know that a lot of people here like his character for being so colorful, which I can understand why, but from my side I feel his bad representation just takes away from the awe of watching a Slenderman series, that they are over doing it for the sake of the popularity/to increase the speed of the plot/anything besides the story. And don't get me wrong, they have great dialog, but I feel it's a dialog that's out of place for a Slenderman series.


I'd like to point out I actually stopped lurking to first poast on this one. I really have to wonder though... how does one end up determining what is valid for a Slender Man series? How are you able to actively say that Patrick is not part of the story, and is only there to "speed things along"? Aside from the fact that we're dealing with someone whose mind was broken due to the Slender Man, which ends up adding all kinds of horrible potential to the standard Multiple Personality Complex, there's another area that I feel this view is really terribly off in...

Specifically, the idea that mental illness precludes charisma, force of personality, and manipulative capability. If you really feel this, I think there are a load of sociopaths and psychopaths out there, such as Charles Manson, whose loyal followers would really beg to differ. No, severe mental illness doesn't equate charisma, but it certainly doesn't have to detract from it.

I'm just not really sure how having an actively malevolent, enjoyable character that's not Slendy detracts in any way from the Slendy mythos... Especially this one seems to be setting his sights on trying to cope with Slendy and keep his 'host' alive, if in a markedly different way then merely cowering in a corner, or recording things and hoping for outside help, or stabbing random bushes, as in other stories.


I never presented myself as someone who is professional on this and neither someone who has God like powers to state what vlog is or isn't good; this is just my opinion, and an opinion can be neither wrong nor right. I was just stating from my observation that people with severe mental illness display signs of vulnerability and confusion, Patrick has not. I'm not saying to not show mental illnesses in these vlogs, but at least portray them in a way that can be seen as real. I'm not saying someone with DID cannot be a charming person, but they certainly will not display themselves as Patrick has. And once again, this is my opinion, and my opinion is that Patrick is a very bad character and has ruined the entire series. Your opinion may be different.


I respect your opinion, but I disagree with it.

Although Patrick might not be an accurate, look at insane people in horror fiction in general. they don't seem defensive do they. Like in The Shining, Jack is totally insane but his portaly of insanity is not accurate. He is totally over the top, but most people are ok with his look on insanity. It's the same thing with patrick or any insane character, they don't have to be accurate as long as they inspire terror.

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 		@JiingJiing Actually, Patrick looked sort of vulnerable to me. He seemed unsure of himself, having to reinforce his... flamboyance in order to seem in control when clearly he is slowing growing aware of his own failings to save Michael.
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 		Just watched the entry. OH LAWD SLENDERSUSPENDERS.
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JiingJiing wrote:
I was just stating from my observation that people with severe mental illness display signs of vulnerability and confusion, Patrick has not.


While I can respect your opinions on what you feel the issues are with MLA, this statement, right here, is factually wrong, period. Sociopathy and psychopathy are most certainly forms of mental illness, and they most certainly don't entail vulnerability or confusion. Though people that suffer from said can be confused, they can also range the gamut. They can be anything from frothing at the mouth mad to rather terrifyingly charismatic. And there is most certainly nothing to keep someone with DID from having a facet of themselves that demonstrates these traits.

There is no need whatsoever for him to show any vulnerability due to his disorders... And yet in the latest video he most certainly showed quite a bit of it. While you may not appreciate it, or wish that there was more present, that's an issue of personal opinion that doesn't mesh with the medical ideas you were trying to present as factual.

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JiingJiing wrote:
FacelessMinion wrote:
JiingJiing wrote:
Well, like I said before, these vlogs aren't going to be able to accurately portray mental illness, but I still think they should be portrayed within the realms of possibility. In this case, severe mental illness does not equal a very theatrical and manipulative character. And I know that a lot of people here like his character for being so colorful, which I can understand why, but from my side I feel his bad representation just takes away from the awe of watching a Slenderman series, that they are over doing it for the sake of the popularity/to increase the speed of the plot/anything besides the story. And don't get me wrong, they have great dialog, but I feel it's a dialog that's out of place for a Slenderman series.


I'd like to point out I actually stopped lurking to first poast on this one. I really have to wonder though... how does one end up determining what is valid for a Slender Man series? How are you able to actively say that Patrick is not part of the story, and is only there to "speed things along"? Aside from the fact that we're dealing with someone whose mind was broken due to the Slender Man, which ends up adding all kinds of horrible potential to the standard Multiple Personality Complex, there's another area that I feel this view is really terribly off in...

Specifically, the idea that mental illness precludes charisma, force of personality, and manipulative capability. If you really feel this, I think there are a load of sociopaths and psychopaths out there, such as Charles Manson, whose loyal followers would really beg to differ. No, severe mental illness doesn't equate charisma, but it certainly doesn't have to detract from it.

I'm just not really sure how having an actively malevolent, enjoyable character that's not Slendy detracts in any way from the Slendy mythos... Especially this one seems to be setting his sights on trying to cope with Slendy and keep his 'host' alive, if in a markedly different way then merely cowering in a corner, or recording things and hoping for outside help, or stabbing random bushes, as in other stories.


I never presented myself as someone who is professional on this and neither someone who has God like powers to state what vlog is or isn't good; this is just my opinion, and an opinion can be neither wrong nor right. I was just stating from my observation that people with severe mental illness display signs of vulnerability and confusion, Patrick has not. I'm not saying to not show mental illnesses in these vlogs, but at least portray them in a way that can be seen as real. I'm not saying someone with DID cannot be a charming person, but they certainly will not display themselves as Patrick has. And once again, this is my opinion, and my opinion is that Patrick is a very bad character and has ruined the entire series. Your opinion may be different.


My layman's understanding of DID on the other hand says that Patrick is a classic personality type to manifest under these conditions (by which I mean stressful and threatening to Michal, not the supernatural parts). Michal feels threatened and can't cope so out comes a more direct, confrontational, and violent personalty who fills a protectors roll. Patrick isn't vulnerable and confused, if he was he would be a piss poor coping mechanism for the vulnerability and confusion Michal is feeling.

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 		I think a lot of what both Patrick and HABIT do is adolescent bravado. They show off to avoid looking off-balance, which I suspect Patrick is at least partially beneath. Same with HABIT, who seems to be stuck in a teenage mindset.
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Aurastys wrote:
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Wrong. I'm taking a Psych 101 course right now and this thread just zoomed beyond anything we've covered so far. This thread must be filled with doctors, or something. Confused

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MesserTod wrote:
Aurastys wrote:
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Wrong. I'm taking a Psych 101 course right now and this thread just zoomed beyond anything we've covered so far. This thread must be filled with doctors, or something. Confused


after reading through this thread I think I might NEED a psychiatrist. Laughing
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Patrick wears suspenders now. Suspenders are cool. *is shot*


One thing I /really/ liked about this video is toward the end when Patrick and Shaun are discussing "Fighting" Slenderman. From what I gathered, Patrick knows SM can't be beaten, so he's joined up with him. (In a delusional-adoring/worshiping absolute power sort of way) His whole model of winning thorough acceptance really brings home that whatever Shaun is trying to remember is most likely not the best for him. I had that belief in the back of my mind that Patrick would somehow combat Slendy, but after this video all we're left with is Micheal's decaying body, a Patrick who can't fight the Slenders so he joined him to live (but is still dying), and then we have Shaun. (Who most likely has /all/ of this to look forward to if he does remember everything/anything).

Which in turn leaves the audience with that crushing hopelessness Slenderseries like to remind us of. Thanks, MLA xD

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