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MalachiConstant wrote:
I've never even heard of this DIRGE thing before, are we sure it isn't just a gamejack? I thought Michael was actually asking for people to contact him with that last post. I sent him a message telling him to watch Marble Hornets, haha.


It's not a gamejack.
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 		Oops, my bad. I just thought it was sort of strange that this blog has already acknowledged some sort of crossover, while it seems like Michael has just started to search for people who understand his situation.

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Cougar Draven wrote:
MalachiConstant wrote:
I've never even heard of this DIRGE thing before, are we sure it isn't just a gamejack? I thought Michael was actually asking for people to contact him with that last post. I sent him a message telling him to watch Marble Hornets, haha.


It's not a gamejack.

Are you saying that MLAndersen is in fact crossing over with DIRGE, or are you just saying it's a coincidence?

Because if so - and I'm going to assume here that the Andersen guys are reading this thread because they did seem to nod at some of what's been discussed here in their gag video - I think it's a completely terrible idea and I'd urge them to reconsider. Putting all comments about the quality or otherwise of DIRGEOFTHEEARTH aside, the fact is that the two blogs are doing such completely different things that they don't sit together in terms of atmosphere and they don't even feel like part of the same world. A special forces kill team would be completely out of place in Andersen's continuity, for instance.

Also in general I think Slenderblogs/vlogs do much better if they assume that each blog takes place in its own continuity and there's no need to acknowledge or address other blogs. MH does just fine ignoring everything else, EverymanHYBRID I think takes the stance that on an in-game level the other blogs aren't real (or are at least not believed to be real by the HYBRIDs), and so on. Crossovers sound like a cool idea but let's face it, when have they ever resulted in anything which wasn't less than the sum of its parts?

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 		IIRC - I may be wrong - EMH, TribeTwelve, and TJ & Amy have all acknowledged each other's IG existence. More specifically, EMH and TT had Jeff, Evan and Noah (among others) in the big Angora chat together, talking, and recently during his livestream Noah said he had spoken to the EMH gang since but wasn't at liberty to discuss their conversations.

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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
MalachiConstant wrote:
I've never even heard of this DIRGE thing before, are we sure it isn't just a gamejack? I thought Michael was actually asking for people to contact him with that last post. I sent him a message telling him to watch Marble Hornets, haha.


It's not a gamejack.

Are you saying that MLAndersen is in fact crossing over with DIRGE, or are you just saying it's a coincidence?

Because if so - and I'm going to assume here that the Andersen guys are reading this thread because they did seem to nod at some of what's been discussed here in their gag video - I think it's a completely terrible idea and I'd urge them to reconsider. Putting all comments about the quality or otherwise of DIRGEOFTHEEARTH aside, the fact is that the two blogs are doing such completely different things that they don't sit together in terms of atmosphere and they don't even feel like part of the same world. A special forces kill team would be completely out of place in Andersen's continuity, for instance.

Also in general I think Slenderblogs/vlogs do much better if they assume that each blog takes place in its own continuity and there's no need to acknowledge or address other blogs. MH does just fine ignoring everything else, EverymanHYBRID I think takes the stance that on an in-game level the other blogs aren't real (or are at least not believed to be real by the HYBRIDs), and so on. Crossovers sound like a cool idea but let's face it, when have they ever resulted in anything which wasn't less than the sum of its parts?
Super Smash Bros. Oh, but you're talking about Slenderseries, aren't you?
I think in this case I do agree. The series are too different to mesh coherently.

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 		@qaqa: Yeah, that's exactly where I'd like this sort of thing to be nipped in the bud. Vaguely acknowledging each others' existence with a "what I'm seeing there doesn't seem to help me in my current situation" is fair enough, I suppose, though I think even acknowledging an ARG that's got a massively different atmosphere to yours (didn't the guy from Search and Reveal come into the Angora chat when the crossover stuff happened?) can get problematic. Actually having the characters from different ARGs meet and interact with each other in a space the players can see is probably best left for April Fool's rather than anything else because then at least it can to be held to not be serious and of dubious canonicity; otherwise, you end up in a situation where the streams get crossed and get damn hard to uncross.

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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
MalachiConstant wrote:
I've never even heard of this DIRGE thing before, are we sure it isn't just a gamejack? I thought Michael was actually asking for people to contact him with that last post. I sent him a message telling him to watch Marble Hornets, haha.


It's not a gamejack.

Are you saying that MLAndersen is in fact crossing over with DIRGE, or are you just saying it's a coincidence?

Because if so - and I'm going to assume here that the Andersen guys are reading this thread because they did seem to nod at some of what's been discussed here in their gag video - I think it's a completely terrible idea and I'd urge them to reconsider. Putting all comments about the quality or otherwise of DIRGEOFTHEEARTH aside, the fact is that the two blogs are doing such completely different things that they don't sit together in terms of atmosphere and they don't even feel like part of the same world. A special forces kill team would be completely out of place in Andersen's continuity, for instance.

Also in general I think Slenderblogs/vlogs do much better if they assume that each blog takes place in its own continuity and there's no need to acknowledge or address other blogs. MH does just fine ignoring everything else, EverymanHYBRID I think takes the stance that on an in-game level the other blogs aren't real (or are at least not believed to be real by the HYBRIDs), and so on. Crossovers sound like a cool idea but let's face it, when have they ever resulted in anything which wasn't less than the sum of its parts?


Lewa had it. Super Smash Bros.

Also Crisis on Infinite Earths, Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, Blackest Night, (YMMV but) Zero Hour and Final Night as well.

Crossovers can work /well/ if done correctly. Also, I've said this before, not directed at you specifically, but it works just as well here: you are not the Supreme Arbiter of all that is Slenderman. You're a fan, just like me, and, ultimately, the creators of both DIRGE and MLA, who, yes, I speak to. I do wish that people would stop trying to make other people conform to their view of the Mythos. If you don't like it, nobody's going to hold a gun to your head and make you read and/or watch it.

Also, I'm actually not sure if it's going to be an /actual/ crossover.

ETA: Forgot to add the reason /why/. I'm just not sure how a blog/vlog crossover would work. The mediums are different enough. Perhaps it's just an effort by the guys behind MLA to raise awareness of a blog they like.
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Cougar Draven wrote:
Also Crisis on Infinite Earths, Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, Blackest Night, (YMMV but) Zero Hour and Final Night as well.
OK, this is where it becomes clear that your tastes and mine are waaaay different. By my reckoning, franchise-wide crossovers are the cancer that is killing comics, or at least making them completely unreadable for anyone who isn't utterly devoted to them.

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Crossovers can work /well/ if done correctly. Also, I've said this before, not directed at you specifically, but it works just as well here: you are not the Supreme Arbiter of all that is Slenderman. You're a fan, just like me, and, ultimately, the creators of both DIRGE and MLA, who, yes, I speak to. I do wish that people would stop trying to make other people conform to their view of the Mythos. If you don't like it, nobody's going to hold a gun to your head and make you read and/or watch it.

Yeah, but I am the supreme arbiter of what works for me. If I don't offer feedback, there's no way for the creators to know a) whether I'm enjoying what they are doing and b) if I'm even the type of fan they're trying to cater to in the first place. Both of those are useful data points. I'm completely entitled to say I dislike crossovers in slendy stuff and to present arguments as to why I think a crossover with DIRGE wouldn't work, you're free to put your counterpoint, the Andersen guys get to make the call on how Slendy is defined in their series and which feedback they're going to pay attention to.

I mean, if we weren't able to express our views on what does and doesn't work in Slendy series that's 50% of the point of this subforum gone already.

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 		Agreed on the whole free speech deal, Rex: But I'm honestly okay with DIRGE and MLA communicating. Seeking Truth communicates with all sorts of blogs and we don't mind, and don't even get me started on Chase. I think we've just got to acknowledge that there is a community appeal to making these series, and we'll just have to live with the shout outs.

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 		If this is a crossover...I just really hope that we don't have to read up on DIRGE to understand the rest of the story.
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Luipaard wrote:
If this is a crossover...I just really hope that we don't have to read up on DIRGE to understand the rest of the story.


This. Definitely this. I hate to be one of those people who automatically frown upon crossovers or what not, but honestly, more than anything, it's such a pain in the ass to catch up on other series. Now I don't know anything about DIRGE or how far along it is, but if it's been going on for a while, I'd really rather not have to catch up...:/
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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
Cougar Draven wrote:
Also Crisis on Infinite Earths, Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, Blackest Night, (YMMV but) Zero Hour and Final Night as well.
OK, this is where it becomes clear that your tastes and mine are waaaay different. By my reckoning, franchise-wide crossovers are the cancer that is killing comics, or at least making them completely unreadable for anyone who isn't utterly devoted to them.


That's your opinion, but I have to disagree. IMHO, comic crossovers offer people the chance to experience characters from books they may not have given a shot before. I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. (Note that I'm not trying to be an apologist for Countdown to Final Crisis. I'm opinionated, not insane.)

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Crossovers can work /well/ if done correctly. Also, I've said this before, not directed at you specifically, but it works just as well here: you are not the Supreme Arbiter of all that is Slenderman. You're a fan, just like me, and, ultimately, the creators of both DIRGE and MLA, who, yes, I speak to. I do wish that people would stop trying to make other people conform to their view of the Mythos. If you don't like it, nobody's going to hold a gun to your head and make you read and/or watch it.

Yeah, but I am the supreme arbiter of what works for me. If I don't offer feedback, there's no way for the creators to know a) whether I'm enjoying what they are doing and b) if I'm even the type of fan they're trying to cater to in the first place. Both of those are useful data points. I'm completely entitled to say I dislike crossovers in slendy stuff and to present arguments as to why I think a crossover with DIRGE wouldn't work, you're free to put your counterpoint, the Andersen guys get to make the call on how Slendy is defined in their series and which feedback they're going to pay attention to.

I mean, if we weren't able to express our views on what does and doesn't work in Slendy series that's 50% of the point of this subforum gone already.


I understand what you're saying, and of /course/ you have the right to say it. I'm just offering my counterpoint.
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qaqa wrote:
IIRC - I may be wrong - EMH, TribeTwelve, and TJ & Amy have all acknowledged each other's IG existence. More specifically, EMH and TT had Jeff, Evan and Noah (among others) in the big Angora chat together, talking, and recently during his livestream Noah said he had spoken to the EMH gang since but wasn't at liberty to discuss their conversations.
Yep. And before that, the blogs started to work together as a cohesive unit. Jay's still Forever Alone, however.
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 		Allow me to say: Holy shit.

Also I called the 'Eric not so much' a good thirty seconds before he said it and it was still chilling.

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