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ZorakRamone
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YamaKami wrote:
a great post


I'm totally on board with pretty much everything you're putting down. The only thing that strikes me as a little strange (and I don't know if I can explain this properly), is that Fragments is a response to a video J posted NOW of a video that he took A YEAR AGO.

In other words, I think the warning you're describing would be past-tense, but I have a feeling that a whole bunch of shit is going to go down in the archived videos that makes this current warning pointless/redundant.

Sorry if this doesn't make sense. No coffee yet. Shocked

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ZorakRamone wrote:
YamaKami wrote:
a great post


I'm totally on board with pretty much everything you're putting down. The only thing that strikes me as a little strange (and I don't know if I can explain this properly), is that Fragments is a response to a video J posted NOW of a video that he took A YEAR AGO.

In other words, I think the warning you're describing would be past-tense, but I have a feeling that a whole bunch of shit is going to go down in the archived videos that makes this current warning pointless/redundant.

Sorry if this doesn't make sense. No coffee yet. Shocked


Oh no, it makes perfect sense. But I think it can be explained if we assume that TTA knows about Jay's memory loss. TTA probably keeps up with Jay's videos, and when he saw the footage of Jay's first trip to the house, he knew what Jay would find next. Also, it's because Jay is on the move again after the hotel. TTA wants to warn him not to go looking for Alex, and to be careful if they should meet.

EDIT: This is all assuming that Alex is even still alive. I think there's a good chance he is, but we still don't know whose blood was in that tunnel...

My theories force me to assume a lot. Neutral Looking forward to getting more facts.

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 		I like your theory a lot.
I've been trying to promote the theory that Masky/Tim put the "HELP." at the end if the #26 tape in an effort to ally with (or at least help) Jay by leading him to the building in #35. I think that's exactly why he ran past Jay to attack Alex, who he wasn't expecting to be there.

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Magyk wrote:
I like your theory a lot.
I've been trying to promote the theory that Masky/Tim put the "HELP." at the end if the #26 tape in an effort to ally with (or at least help) Jay by leading him to the building in #35. I think that's exactly why he ran past Jay to attack Alex, who he wasn't expecting to be there.


Agreed! (Cept in my case I think TTA put the help in the video and Masky delivered it.) But yes, in that case it makes sense that Masky would wait for Jay at the location of the return address, possibly to join forces. Also, someone mentioned a couple pages back that there's a bottle of water on the floor in the back room. That further supports the theory that Masky was hanging out there waiting for Jay.

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 		Oh, wow, YamaKami, that was an interesting theory. I'm not sure that I'm completely won over by it yet, though. (Speculation requiring Masky to be a good guy with good intentions behind a very creepy and often threatening series of videos does not sit well with me, just because there's some worry that people are trying to make Masky less threatening for their own ease of mind.)

While he does rush past Jay, we can see him holding the knife as he passes by to get at Alex. I don't think that he was just trying to scare him. I feel that something must have happened between #34 and #35 that caused this meet-up to happen... but regardless of that, I think that in Fragments, TTA is more interested in foreshadowing a situation that's going to unfold from #35 on out. It could be that even if Alex is not becoming a minion of the Operator, he has lost something that made him essentially him. I think that, if nothing else, we're going to see some push and pull between who is the worse between Alex and TTA -- and by that, a matter of who was affected the worst by the Operator leaving an indelible mark on how they think and act. Perhaps it's a warning to Jay simply not to get his hopes up, as he will see Alex getting more cracked, and that his search has turned out to be a really bad idea.

Either way, I crave more episodes. Must... find... out!

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While he does rush past Jay, we can see him holding the knife as he passes by to get at Alex. I don't think that he was just trying to scare him. I feel that something must have happened between #34 and #35 that caused this meet-up to happen... but regardless of that, I think that in Fragments, TTA is more interested in foreshadowing a situation that's going to unfold from #35 on out. It could be that even if Alex is not becoming a minion of the Operator, he has lost something that made him essentially him. I think that, if nothing else, we're going to see some push and pull between who is the worse between Alex and TTA -- and by that, a matter of who was affected the worst by the Operator leaving an indelible mark on how they think and act. Perhaps it's a warning to Jay simply not to get his hopes up, as he will see Alex getting more cracked, and that his search has turned out to be a really bad idea.

Either way, I crave more episodes. Must... find... out!


All of this! TTA and Alex are definitely some sorta yin-and-yang to each other (opposing forces, but can't seem to exist without each other). Whether that means either is the 'good guy' or 'bad guy' I can't tell, and I don't think we'll ever have definitive proof.

I'm really hoping Tim reaches out to Jay. Whether it's appearing to him unmasked and in person (in current time OR in the videos post-unmasking) or through the TTA channel (not assuming Tim = TTA, but again, Masky and TTA are at least connected, so...), I think it'll give us a chance to see more into Tim's character and possibly learn more about Alex. It doesn't mean Tim has to be benevolent (dude definitely has motives) but I'd love for Jay to have some sort of source of information or understanding. And considering Tim scared Jessica off, he kinda owes Jay Razz

That said... EPISODES! Shocked [/wants]
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 		That would be fascinating. TTA has shown a propensity for reaching out to Jay in the first place, though to begin with he has been focused on ordering Jay around. I think that if he does make contact, that can't change much; if it does, it will probably be that TTA is covering himself to make Alex seem like the bad guy -- or the broken one.

It seems like TTA or Masky (same person, not the same, whatever) left the code for the safe. It makes me wonder if the tapes have been edited to show only the worst and to put Jay into a frame of mind that's more willing to interact with Masky/Tim directly?

It will be interesting to see if the following TTA vids remain hostile, or if they will begin redirecting Jay again. Interesting also to see what Jay does with what he sees? Last time, as Jay got into the thick of these troubles, he holed up, then ran off. He stated towards the end that he definitely wanted to get back into the investigation to find Alex... both seem to have proven to have distressing results. I suppose that now he'll just have to go through the tapes that he found... but I hope that we get to see some more of what's happening in the present, too.

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YamaKami wrote:
What finally struck me most about Fragments after watching entry #35 (and reading through ALL 50 pages of the thread) is the gravity of TTA's warning. Assuming that "you are broken, you cannot be fixed" refers to Alex, and that the video is a warning intended for Jay, this implies that Alex is no longer the person he used to be, likely due to Operator exposure.

There were some beautiful posts piecing together the pictures (especially by dfw, who posted all three images). I think what's most important here is not just the lack of eyes, but that each picture has progressively *less face* than the one before. Several people mentioned on the #35 thread that Alex is seeming more and more antagonistic. If less face means what I think it does, than Alex is either working for the Operator now, or somehow becoming like him.

If Alex is working against Jay and TTA knows it, then the "Help" at the end of #26 might have been TTA asking for Jay's help, fearing an attack by Alex. (I'm of the opinion that TTA is not Tim, but that they work together.) This would also explain why Tim rushed past Jay to attack Alex in #35. He may have wanted to scare Alex away, anticipating his malicious intent. Also, if Alex is becoming like the Operator, that would explain why he "MUST DIE."

Bottom line: Fragments may be suggesting that Alex's humanity is in fragments, and that he is losing the pieces so rapidly that he will never regain them.


I really like that theory, it seems to explain alot.

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Dray wrote:
That would be fascinating. TTA has shown a propensity for reaching out to Jay in the first place, though to begin with he has been focused on ordering Jay around. I think that if he does make contact, that can't change much; if it does, it will probably be that TTA is covering himself to make Alex seem like the bad guy -- or the broken one.

It seems like TTA or Masky (same person, not the same, whatever) left the code for the safe. It makes me wonder if the tapes have been edited to show only the worst and to put Jay into a frame of mind that's more willing to interact with Masky/Tim directly?

It will be interesting to see if the following TTA vids remain hostile, or if they will begin redirecting Jay again. Interesting also to see what Jay does with what he sees? Last time, as Jay got into the thick of these troubles, he holed up, then ran off. He stated towards the end that he definitely wanted to get back into the investigation to find Alex... both seem to have proven to have distressing results. I suppose that now he'll just have to go through the tapes that he found... but I hope that we get to see some more of what's happening in the present, too.


My only hesitation with the idea that Masky planted the safe code and the tapes revolves around the fact that Masky blatantly attacks Jay at the hotel. Granted, the attack (especially in comparison to Masky's attempt to shank Alex) was, as has been greatly mocked, a pretty weak attempt.

I believe a lot has been said about the idea that Masky was trying to get Jay on the run out of the hotel, right? Make him disoriented? But if Masky's goal was to make Jay more willing to interact with him then the attack still doesn't really make sense.

In fact, in light of the recent video with Alex's return and your comment on the Entry 33 video about Alex and TTA being the main people who have ever used that operator symbol, it seems to me that it could be that Alex, if he's alive, left the code.

But then what happened to Jessica (I assume she was taken by someone so the question could also be phrased: "Who took Jessica?") and was the person who took Jessica the same person that left the code to the safe? Or could that even have been Jessica? I agree with your previous note that Jessica probably isn't familiar with the Operator symbol. But given her own experiences it's always possible she ran into these things as well.

Perhaps this would be more relevant to post on the Entry 33 thread. Cest La Vie.

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Psychpants wrote:

My only hesitation with the idea that Masky planted the safe code and the tapes revolves around the fact that Masky blatantly attacks Jay at the hotel. Granted, the attack (especially in comparison to Masky's attempt to shank Alex) was, as has been greatly mocked, a pretty weak attempt.

I believe a lot has been said about the idea that Masky was trying to get Jay on the run out of the hotel, right? Make him disoriented? But if Masky's goal was to make Jay more willing to interact with him then the attack still doesn't really make sense.

In fact, in light of the recent video with Alex's return and your comment on the Entry 33 video about Alex and TTA being the main people who have ever used that operator symbol, it seems to me that it could be that Alex, if he's alive, left the code.

But then what happened to Jessica (I assume she was taken by someone so the question could also be phrased: "Who took Jessica?") and was the person who took Jessica the same person that left the code to the safe? Or could that even have been Jessica? I agree with your previous note that Jessica probably isn't familiar with the Operator symbol. But given her own experiences it's always possible she ran into these things as well.

Perhaps this would be more relevant to post on the Entry 33 thread. Cest La Vie.

I return to the shadows.

Recall that theory where Masky has split personalities. Maybe he was not under the Operator's control until Jay managed to open the safe?

On thread topic: I believe the Fragments video suggests that Alex is actually dead. After what he did with Masky, don't you think Slender man would be pissed? Also, if the blood in the tunnel wasn't Jay's, then whose was it?

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YamaKami wrote:
Magyk wrote:
I like your theory a lot.
I've been trying to promote the theory that Masky/Tim put the "HELP." at the end if the #26 tape in an effort to ally with (or at least help) Jay by leading him to the building in #35. I think that's exactly why he ran past Jay to attack Alex, who he wasn't expecting to be there.


Agreed! (Cept in my case I think TTA put the help in the video and Masky delivered it.) But yes, in that case it makes sense that Masky would wait for Jay at the location of the return address, possibly to join forces. Also, someone mentioned a couple pages back that there's a bottle of water on the floor in the back room. That further supports the theory that Masky was hanging out there waiting for Jay.

This just reminds me has anyone heard the theory that all of masky's actions were in Jay
s best interest all the way up to his first appearance?
this just reminded me of that.

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Aperion wrote:
YamaKami wrote:
Magyk wrote:
I like your theory a lot.
I've been trying to promote the theory that Masky/Tim put the "HELP." at the end if the #26 tape in an effort to ally with (or at least help) Jay by leading him to the building in #35. I think that's exactly why he ran past Jay to attack Alex, who he wasn't expecting to be there.


Agreed! (Cept in my case I think TTA put the help in the video and Masky delivered it.) But yes, in that case it makes sense that Masky would wait for Jay at the location of the return address, possibly to join forces. Also, someone mentioned a couple pages back that there's a bottle of water on the floor in the back room. That further supports the theory that Masky was hanging out there waiting for Jay.

This just reminds me has anyone heard the theory that all of masky's actions were in Jay
s best interest all the way up to his first appearance?
this just reminded me of that.

If he was really in for his best interests, why would he attack him so often? You can't forget the one entry where he even "kidnaps" Jay. Also, on #35, it's apparent that Alex was with Jay for at least a little while. Alex brought him back to the address for some reason.

Lastly, the TTA videos seem to disprove that theory. Look at Addition (sorry to bring it up) where Masky is behind Jay while he is having a coughing fit inside Alex's house. TTA even puts "see you". Would anyone want to team up with a masked guy who tackled you twice, kidnapped you once, and puts up malicious videos about you?

Don't take offense to this. I'm just throwing this in.

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Dray wrote:
Oh, wow, YamaKami, that was an interesting theory. I'm not sure that I'm completely won over by it yet, though. (Speculation requiring Masky to be a good guy with good intentions behind a very creepy and often threatening series of videos does not sit well with me, just because there's some worry that people are trying to make Masky less threatening for their own ease of mind.)

While he does rush past Jay, we can see him holding the knife as he passes by to get at Alex. I don't think that he was just trying to scare him. I feel that something must have happened between #34 and #35 that caused this meet-up to happen... but regardless of that, I think that in Fragments, TTA is more interested in foreshadowing a situation that's going to unfold from #35 on out. It could be that even if Alex is not becoming a minion of the Operator, he has lost something that made him essentially him. I think that, if nothing else, we're going to see some push and pull between who is the worse between Alex and TTA -- and by that, a matter of who was affected the worst by the Operator leaving an indelible mark on how they think and act. Perhaps it's a warning to Jay simply not to get his hopes up, as he will see Alex getting more cracked, and that his search has turned out to be a really bad idea.

Either way, I crave more episodes. Must... find... out!


I like this. I like this a lot.

While Tim certainly doesn't seem to have the best intentions, what if everything he's doing is out of fear?

Assuming Alex has been sent on a more sinister route due to exposure to the Operator, maybe Tim's earlier time spent following Jay around was a sort of assessment of character to see if Jay was going the route that Alex did.

YamaKami wrote:
Magyk wrote:
I like your theory a lot.
I've been trying to promote the theory that Masky/Tim put the "HELP." at the end if the #26 tape in an effort to ally with (or at least help) Jay by leading him to the building in #35. I think that's exactly why he ran past Jay to attack Alex, who he wasn't expecting to be there.


Agreed! (Cept in my case I think TTA put the help in the video and Masky delivered it.) But yes, in that case it makes sense that Masky would wait for Jay at the location of the return address, possibly to join forces. Also, someone mentioned a couple pages back that there's a bottle of water on the floor in the back room. That further supports the theory that Masky was hanging out there waiting for Jay.


If Tim had found Jay's character to be non-threatening, then this would make a lot of sense, and he'd want to try and get rid of Alex. Maybe, like YamaKami wrote, Tim was specifically waiting for Jay in order to convince him to join forces, and he wasn't expecting Alex. He runs past Jay, fails a grapple check, and then gets rocked by a... well, you know.

What I'm wondering is this:

What if Jay, during the rest of the time he has no memory of, went along "crazy-Alex" route and doesn't know it? Sure, this assumes a lot, but I think it would be quite interesting. Keep in mind as well that TTA's Fragments video says "you are broken" and "you cannot be fixed." Maybe the use of the second person terms indicates Jay, and he's just using Alex as a point of comparison. Also, it may explain why Tim comes to the hotel. If he knows of Jay's memory loss, maybe he was testing to see if Jay is still Chaotic Jay.

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Valadar917 wrote:
Aperion wrote:
YamaKami wrote:
Magyk wrote:
I like your theory a lot.
I've been trying to promote the theory that Masky/Tim put the "HELP." at the end if the #26 tape in an effort to ally with (or at least help) Jay by leading him to the building in #35. I think that's exactly why he ran past Jay to attack Alex, who he wasn't expecting to be there.


Agreed! (Cept in my case I think TTA put the help in the video and Masky delivered it.) But yes, in that case it makes sense that Masky would wait for Jay at the location of the return address, possibly to join forces. Also, someone mentioned a couple pages back that there's a bottle of water on the floor in the back room. That further supports the theory that Masky was hanging out there waiting for Jay.

This just reminds me has anyone heard the theory that all of masky's actions were in Jay
s best interest all the way up to his first appearance?
this just reminded me of that.

If he was really in for his best interests, why would he attack him so often? You can't forget the one entry where he even "kidnaps" Jay. Also, on #35, it's apparent that Alex was with Jay for at least a little while. Alex brought him back to the address for some reason.

Lastly, the TTA videos seem to disprove that theory. Look at Addition (sorry to bring it up) where Masky is behind Jay while he is having a coughing fit inside Alex's house. TTA even puts "see you". Would anyone want to team up with a masked guy who tackled you twice, kidnapped you once, and puts up malicious videos about you?

Don't take offense to this. I'm just throwing this in.


First off their is still no confirmation that masky and TTA are the same person
anyway the rationalization I heard is that all those "attacks" on jay by masky were for jay's own good like the first time masky appeared when he tackeled jay consider for a second that right afterwards masky started seizing and the operator appears immediately afterwards Masky may well have just taken a bullet for jay also when he took jay from his home that may have been some form of protection we really don't know that tim/masky has ever tried to hurt jay.

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Aperion wrote:

First off their is still no confirmation that masky and TTA are the same person

Watch entry 19, then watch Return.

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