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Rawkz0rz
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Indextic wrote:
shadowstalker wrote:
i can't lurk anymore, I've been with this from the beginning but this entry made me need to jump in.

It was mentioned somewhere much earlier that TTA insinuated that J couldn't be trusted. I think we have to realize that yes, while J is reviewing these videos and posting them, he is also most likely editing them.

The reason I bring this up is because even with the Slendy static and shit, that seems like an extremely odd transition, from the house to J driving. Think about it logistically. Even if Slendy fucked with the camera, J must have turned it on while he was driving to videotape himself, most likely some form of monologue (or discussion, who knows someone else might be in the car). We've seen the camera and footage be corrupted, but the camera has never turned on by itself. To be fair, I feel like he's hiding something. J has no memory of those months, and while reviewing it, he definitely said or did something that either endangers him, someone, or his overall goal. Even though I'm rooting for him, there still has never been anything solid for me to fully trust him as a protagonist.

TL;DR: J has something to hide, and he's not letting us see it. TTA is definitely gonna have something to say about this.


Now that I think of it, I really like this theory. It gets across that Jay is still unreliable, even though he wouldn't want us to think he is. And it does make sense, considering there's no way the video would just cut to there. The tape couldn't do that, it would have at least captured him turning it on. On that note, wouldn't it have to have a black screen/frozen image between the time Jay turned off the camera at the house, and when he turned it on while driving?


I do like the idea of J being not who we think he is. However in regards to the possible editing, I can tell you from years of owning DV cameras, that, while shooting on tape, if you stop recording then start again without interruption (interruption being something like reviewing the previous footage) then whatever you start filming will come up with no frozen frames or slugs in-between.

More unnatural than the lack of pause in this video when it cuts from the scream to him driving, is the black space between him driving and showing us the building for the first time in the last Entry. Something I noticed but assumed it was just a conscious choice in editing. Now, not so sure it was just that alone...

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shadowstalker wrote:
TL;DR: J has something to hide, and he's not letting us see it. TTA is definitely gonna have something to say about this.



This is definitely what I've been thinking. He wasn't sure if he wanted to upload this video and then he says that he doesn't know what happened after the Tim incident(failing to note the fact that 'oh hey I met my buddy Alex again') because it cuts straight to him driving. While this isn't unheard of, entry 23 features a lot of gaps in the tape, I really feel like whatever J was afraid of showing us was edited out of the tape.

Maybe he didn't want to show us Alex hurting Tim, but that was in self defense. Maybe he didn't want to show us Alex, but why would he not want to show us the person that he has been searching for? Maybe he didn't want to show us Masky being Tim, but J wasn't that close to Tim and imo Tim was a little bit of a dick.

I don't know what on this entry is so shockingly out there as compared to some of the other awful things that J has experienced that he would have reservations uploading it unless he just did not upload those bits.

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theonewhoquestions wrote:
Indextic wrote:
shadowstalker wrote:
i can't lurk anymore, I've been with this from the beginning but this entry made me need to jump in.

It was mentioned somewhere much earlier that TTA insinuated that J couldn't be trusted. I think we have to realize that yes, while J is reviewing these videos and posting them, he is also most likely editing them.

The reason I bring this up is because even with the Slendy static and shit, that seems like an extremely odd transition, from the house to J driving. Think about it logistically. Even if Slendy fucked with the camera, J must have turned it on while he was driving to videotape himself, most likely some form of monologue (or discussion, who knows someone else might be in the car). We've seen the camera and footage be corrupted, but the camera has never turned on by itself. To be fair, I feel like he's hiding something. J has no memory of those months, and while reviewing it, he definitely said or did something that either endangers him, someone, or his overall goal. Even though I'm rooting for him, there still has never been anything solid for me to fully trust him as a protagonist.

TL;DR: J has something to hide, and he's not letting us see it. TTA is definitely gonna have something to say about this.


Now that I think of it, I really like this theory. It gets across that Jay is still unreliable, even though he wouldn't want us to think he is. And it does make sense, considering there's no way the video would just cut to there. The tape couldn't do that, it would have at least captured him turning it on. On that note, wouldn't it have to have a black screen/frozen image between the time Jay turned off the camera at the house, and when he turned it on while driving?


Unless, it DID just cut to there. Maybe the camera in Alex's house wasn't planted, maybe he just figured it was broken and tossed it away. Remember the entry where Jay's camera dies? Maybe it died, Jay didn't realize this, and put it on his dashboard like normal as he drove away, then it started recording again. This is actually kind of far-fetched, but I kinda think it's a fun theory.


I don't believe that its far fetched, I actually posted a similar theory much earlier on, The Operator has had that effect on cameras.

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MorbidPuppies wrote:
theonewhoquestions wrote:
Indextic wrote:
shadowstalker wrote:
i can't lurk anymore, I've been with this from the beginning but this entry made me need to jump in.

It was mentioned somewhere much earlier that TTA insinuated that J couldn't be trusted. I think we have to realize that yes, while J is reviewing these videos and posting them, he is also most likely editing them.

The reason I bring this up is because even with the Slendy static and shit, that seems like an extremely odd transition, from the house to J driving. Think about it logistically. Even if Slendy fucked with the camera, J must have turned it on while he was driving to videotape himself, most likely some form of monologue (or discussion, who knows someone else might be in the car). We've seen the camera and footage be corrupted, but the camera has never turned on by itself. To be fair, I feel like he's hiding something. J has no memory of those months, and while reviewing it, he definitely said or did something that either endangers him, someone, or his overall goal. Even though I'm rooting for him, there still has never been anything solid for me to fully trust him as a protagonist.

TL;DR: J has something to hide, and he's not letting us see it. TTA is definitely gonna have something to say about this.


Now that I think of it, I really like this theory. It gets across that Jay is still unreliable, even though he wouldn't want us to think he is. And it does make sense, considering there's no way the video would just cut to there. The tape couldn't do that, it would have at least captured him turning it on. On that note, wouldn't it have to have a black screen/frozen image between the time Jay turned off the camera at the house, and when he turned it on while driving?


Unless, it DID just cut to there. Maybe the camera in Alex's house wasn't planted, maybe he just figured it was broken and tossed it away. Remember the entry where Jay's camera dies? Maybe it died, Jay didn't realize this, and put it on his dashboard like normal as he drove away, then it started recording again. This is actually kind of far-fetched, but I kinda think it's a fun theory.


I don't believe that its far fetched, I actually posted a similar theory much earlier on, The Operator has had that effect on cameras.


You know what THIS means, right? Jay threw away a perfectly good camera.

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 		If J did film himself driving after the Timasky incident occurred, we'd see him starting the camera up. This leads me to believe he was recording over footage of himself driving. When the footage of them inside the house cuts out, it reverts to what was originally on the tape.

This too leads me to question J, what if he's been filming over important stuff?

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theonewhoquestions wrote:
MorbidPuppies wrote:
theonewhoquestions wrote:
Indextic wrote:
shadowstalker wrote:
i can't lurk anymore, I've been with this from the beginning but this entry made me need to jump in.

It was mentioned somewhere much earlier that TTA insinuated that J couldn't be trusted. I think we have to realize that yes, while J is reviewing these videos and posting them, he is also most likely editing them.

The reason I bring this up is because even with the Slendy static and shit, that seems like an extremely odd transition, from the house to J driving. Think about it logistically. Even if Slendy fucked with the camera, J must have turned it on while he was driving to videotape himself, most likely some form of monologue (or discussion, who knows someone else might be in the car). We've seen the camera and footage be corrupted, but the camera has never turned on by itself. To be fair, I feel like he's hiding something. J has no memory of those months, and while reviewing it, he definitely said or did something that either endangers him, someone, or his overall goal. Even though I'm rooting for him, there still has never been anything solid for me to fully trust him as a protagonist.

TL;DR: J has something to hide, and he's not letting us see it. TTA is definitely gonna have something to say about this.


Now that I think of it, I really like this theory. It gets across that Jay is still unreliable, even though he wouldn't want us to think he is. And it does make sense, considering there's no way the video would just cut to there. The tape couldn't do that, it would have at least captured him turning it on. On that note, wouldn't it have to have a black screen/frozen image between the time Jay turned off the camera at the house, and when he turned it on while driving?


Unless, it DID just cut to there. Maybe the camera in Alex's house wasn't planted, maybe he just figured it was broken and tossed it away. Remember the entry where Jay's camera dies? Maybe it died, Jay didn't realize this, and put it on his dashboard like normal as he drove away, then it started recording again. This is actually kind of far-fetched, but I kinda think it's a fun theory.


I don't believe that its far fetched, I actually posted a similar theory much earlier on, The Operator has had that effect on cameras.


You know what THIS means, right? Jay threw away a perfectly good camera.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Damn you Slenderman!

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Rawkz0rz wrote:
If J did film himself driving after the Timasky incident occurred, we'd see him starting the camera up. This leads me to believe he was recording over footage of himself driving. When the footage of them inside the house cuts out, it reverts to what was originally on the tape.

This too leads me to question J, what if he's been filming over important stuff?


Well even if he did, which in the past has been a problem, TTA has always been on his ass when he is posting what he believes to be false truths.

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Rawkz0rz wrote:
If J did film himself driving after the Timasky incident occurred, we'd see him starting the camera up. This leads me to believe he was recording over footage of himself driving. When the footage of them inside the house cuts out, it reverts to what was originally on the tape.

This too leads me to question J, what if he's been filming over important stuff?


This was my point exactly. I know absolutely nothing about editing, so I couldn't comment on that. But it seems like a really odd thing for the camera to just turn on suddenly and start recording. That cries cut footage to me.

God damn, just when I though MH was losing its steam...

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Rawkz0rz wrote:
If J did film himself driving after the Timasky incident occurred, we'd see him starting the camera up. This leads me to believe he was recording over footage of himself driving. When the footage of them inside the house cuts out, it reverts to what was originally on the tape.

This too leads me to question J, what if he's been filming over important stuff?


Wait, no, that answers the question as to why it just cuts to driving! He had no more tapes, but needed to get this on tape... so he taped over a video of him driving! Meaning this video could be VERY late in the 7 months! That's why it seems like he's already met up with Alex even though there hasn't been a video of them meeting for the first time! AGH IT MAKES SENSE NOW

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The Illest Villen wrote:
2. We don't know how hard Tim had been hit with the rock. If it was a simple fracture, he wouldn't have that limp, but if Alex had hit him hard enough with the (heavy) rock, there could have been some serious damage, and without proper mdical attention, it could have healed weird,which could cause a limp.


Long time lurker etc - seems like a masked psychopath and possible serial killer would have difficulty getting serious medical help, if he did get even a minor fracture he'd likely have to fix it himself (think Anton Chigur from No Country for Old Men / Omar from The Wire) which would explain the slow healing and limp.

Also why does that scream from Tim sound familiar? Has it been part of some Slenderstortion before now? Possible theory - Slenderman busts in and interrupts before Alex actually drops the rock, the scream could be anyone. For all we know, Alex got killed in this entry.

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Indextic wrote:
Rawkz0rz wrote:
If J did film himself driving after the Timasky incident occurred, we'd see him starting the camera up. This leads me to believe he was recording over footage of himself driving. When the footage of them inside the house cuts out, it reverts to what was originally on the tape.

This too leads me to question J, what if he's been filming over important stuff?


Wait, no, that answers the question as to why it just cuts to driving! He had no more tapes, but needed to get this on tape... so he taped over a video of him driving! Meaning this video could be VERY late in the 7 months! That's why it seems like he's already met up with Alex even though there hasn't been a video of them meeting for the first time! AGH IT MAKES SENSE NOW


Oh god, that's perfect! o_o

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Indextic wrote:
Rawkz0rz wrote:
If J did film himself driving after the Timasky incident occurred, we'd see him starting the camera up. This leads me to believe he was recording over footage of himself driving. When the footage of them inside the house cuts out, it reverts to what was originally on the tape.

This too leads me to question J, what if he's been filming over important stuff?


Wait, no, that answers the question as to why it just cuts to driving! He had no more tapes, but needed to get this on tape... so he taped over a video of him driving! Meaning this video could be VERY late in the 7 months! That's why it seems like he's already met up with Alex even though there hasn't been a video of them meeting for the first time! AGH IT MAKES SENSE NOW


Thats an Interesting point, everything that we learn through the tapes is speculation as to when it happens, just like season 1.

And a side note, someone brought this up earlier, there is a random green folder(?) on the shelf that wasn't there last entry, wonder who it could belong or if its OOG related.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=26381vc&s=7

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Alright here are my 2 cents...

Judging by the tone in which Alex says J's name, i think this is their first meeting, and they did not in fact go to the house together. For those of you saying "why would J scream out 'there's nothing here!' if he was alone?" you have to remember these guys are not professional actors, and might just have to ignore it as overacting (think of those movies where the protagonist just says what he's thinking out loud for the audience). I think Alex hushes J because he hears something coming from the room behind J.

As for whether or not Alex killed Tim (and whether Tim is the masky that attacked J in the hotel) my personal belief is that he broke his leg causing the limp in the other video. BUT to add credence to those of you thinking he killed him, this is a series where we have seem time lapse/teleportation when a character steps through doors, so nothing is for sure.

I'm still debating why such heavy distortion? Was it just because of Tim/masky appearance, or was the ol' baddy not to far off?

And finally (sorry for such a long post), very good point made about J's questionable reliability. The video starting as he is driving points to J editing the videos, but why should we trust he's showing us EVERYTHING. I'm getting a Memento movie ending feeling about this....

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MorbidPuppies wrote:
Thats an Interesting point, everything that we learn through the tapes is speculation as to when it happens, just like season 1.


Yes, but remember, this time around, some of the tapes are labeled. I think Jay would tell us whether or not this is on an unmarked tape. Which I think supports the theory that this video was taped over driving footage.

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ZombieComplex wrote:
Indextic wrote:
Rawkz0rz wrote:
If J did film himself driving after the Timasky incident occurred, we'd see him starting the camera up. This leads me to believe he was recording over footage of himself driving. When the footage of them inside the house cuts out, it reverts to what was originally on the tape.

This too leads me to question J, what if he's been filming over important stuff?


Wait, no, that answers the question as to why it just cuts to driving! He had no more tapes, but needed to get this on tape... so he taped over a video of him driving! Meaning this video could be VERY late in the 7 months! That's why it seems like he's already met up with Alex even though there hasn't been a video of them meeting for the first time! AGH IT MAKES SENSE NOW


Oh god, that's perfect! o_o


Hmm... Although interesting I do have to ask, J clearly didn't expect to find anything when he went into the house- why would he feel the need to get it on camera?

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