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8bitFilk
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 		Right, I've gone through every single post (I may have zoned out for a few though) and responded to points I thought I had something to add to.
Apologies if this is a bit long winded, but it's several hours worth of work and I'll be damned if I'm gonna delete stuff after all that effort!

Milkdudds92 wrote:
Wait, now that Masky's been revealed...how will this affect TTA videos? Unless...all those people are right, and Masky and TTA are different entities.

Ever seen Twin Peaks? What about the possibility that Masky isn't exactly Tim, but something using his body?

SOMEONE wrote:
(something about the scream not sounding human)
(Sorry, I lost the orginal quote I was replying to here).
Considering the amount of visual and audio distortion encountered in the entries, why is it so hard to believe that this isn't just another example of it? Strikes me as the more probable explanation.

red223 wrote:
I'm a bit curious about the distortion during what I assume to be Tim's screams. Does anybody else think those are extra creepy and inhuman for a reason?

It is, but I think that's probably for effect more than for any story-relevant reason.

Salty wrote:
It just doesn't make sense to me in that context. He wouldn't yell "There's nothing here" if Alex is so adamant that something is there. Now, it makes sense in the context that Jay has come all this way with no leads other than a return address and a "HELP". To me, it seems like Alex walks in on him not expecting him to be there. He speaks with the tone he does because he can't just yell "LOOK OUT HE'S IN THE CLOSET!" and give it away. He's got to play it cool.

I really don't get this view. Jay has never spoken to himself like this in the other entries; why would he here? It seemed pretty obvious he was addressing someone else.
Plus, if Alex had just walked in, out of the blue, I'm pretty sure Jay's reaction would have been "Holy Shit! Where the fuckery butt-nuggets have you been?!?!" regardless of whether Alex is "shush"-ing him, waving, or dancing the can-can. He didn't seem anywhere near that surprised.
Everything here points at them coming together. Bear in mind that the video tapes in the safe were not in any order. Jay and Alex could have met up again way before this was filmed but Jay just hasn't found any earlier footage of that yet.

Spritey wrote:
No, he's visibly surprised to see Jay. There's a moment of silence because they're both in shock, but they quickly adjust because Alex knows Tim is hiding in there.

I really don't see it.

MorbidPuppies wrote:
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MorbidPuppies wrote:
mellodragon wrote:
Thermal Boners wrote:


I personally think that Alex knew Masky and Jay would be there but Jay didn't know Alex would be there, so Alex said Jay to get his attention and shush him, because Jay didn't know what would be there, but Alex would.


THIS. This seems more like it... Like Jay was about to ask where the hell Alex came from and what he was doing there, and Alex shushed him.


THIS, the shush says it all.
Bullshit. I'm sorry, but if I had been risking life and limb and lost my home in a desperate attempt to find someone in an investigation which lasted for month after terrifying month, there is NO WAY IN HELL I would let them just shush me like that. Jay obeys the shush because he's already caught up with Alex and even though Alex may not have explained everything, Jay trusts him enough to follow his lead.


While that makes lots of sense, there is the fact that there is something knocked down behind J, and then Alex tells him to shush and points behind him, now as much as I would want answers, If that were to happen, I would save my questions for another time and find out what is behind me.

But there's still no show of surprise from either of them. There's a relatively long pause between Jay turning to Alex and Alex shushing him. If Jay hadn't known he was there, he'd have reacted in that time.
I'd suggest that either they came together looking for something other than Tim, or Alex -knowing full well that Tim was there- led Jay there on false pretenses. I'd go with the latter theory, because Jay is apparently looking for something that Alex had taken him to see.

mistersmile wrote:

Seconds 59 to 1:00
There is a noise.. yes, you guessed right, MASKY MADE THAT NOISE
Do you see where I'm going now?

Alex heard that noise, than made a shush sign because there was obviously no time for questions. Because he realized they weren't alone/the location of the third person then he pointed to where he heard the noise, which jay probably had heard but was still too much in a shock from alex's appearance to care about.

Let's carry on from now, this opens up to a much more logical situation, while the contrary wouldn't make sense.

I was trying to enjoy the topic and never had to butt in before, but I had to make a username to clarify this OBVIOUS logic.

Sorry, but I have to disagree there too. I'd say that this theory is less logical. As I already said, theres a pause before the "shush"so it's a stretch to sat there's no time for questions. If anything, Jay doesn't seem to notice the noise. And that whole thing about him being too shocked by Alex's appearance to react doesn't really work. If he was shocked by Alex's presence, it's more likely that he'd react in some way, not less.

drivingmissdaisy wrote:
For those of you saying "why would J scream out 'there's nothing here!' if he was alone?" you have to remember these guys are not professional actors, and might just have to ignore it as overacting (think of those movies where the protagonist just says what he's thinking out loud for the audience).

They're not pros, but that sort of "thinking aloud" thing doesn't fit with the way Marble Hornets has been done so far. They've managed to do a good job of keeping actions and reactions pretty natural and believable, so something as contrived as you're suggesting just doesn't fit with the way they've been working so far.

shadowstalker wrote:
It was mentioned somewhere much earlier that TTA insinuated that J couldn't be trusted. I think we have to realize that yes, while J is reviewing these videos and posting them, he is also most likely editing them...
TL;DR: J has something to hide, and he's not letting us see it. TTA is definitely gonna have something to say about this.

This is an interesting angle. My question here, though... If Jay is editing this and not being as open and honest with us as we're led to believe, why would he bother sharing this at all? I mean, if he has secrets to hide, he'd be better off not advertising, right? Especially when he's posting stuff that's obviously going to make people dig and theorise.
I'm not refuting your theory -I like it- just thought it was a point worth noting.

Takub wrote:
In case I'm not too late, and correct me if I'm wrong (I've been up for quite a while now);

the discussion has mainly been OMG, AWESOME;
now we know Tim is Masky, are there other Maskies?,
did Alex kill Tim or just break his leg, maybe the Operator intervened,
why did Alex and Jay not enter the house together, is this the "first" time they've met,
when did #35 take place, whose house is this,
why does the tape suddenly cut to Jay driving (and did he perhaps tape the house-part over an earlier tape of himself driving),
why did Jay tape it at all when he's been there before (#34 ?) and is apparently convinced that there is nothing to be found there

Thank you sir!I wish I'd spotted this before trawling through every single post!

awakeasaurusrex wrote:
One point it doesn't mention - because we haven't really talked about it - but which I think is kind of a big deal is that there's a conspicuous green folder sitting on one of the shelves, which wasn't there in entry 34. That's got to have something interesting inside it.

That stood out like a sore thumb to me too. I was surprised when Jay didn't walk straight over to pick it up when he spotted it.

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 		Did you notice
It's my first time posting, so please forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but during this particularly amazing entry at 00:57 to 00:58, look at the doorway and then the light cast on the ground.
Looks awfully like Slendy keeping checks on Jay, Alex and Tim.
What do you think?

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 		I'd like to confirm one thing (and I made this account especially just to say this).

In Entry 33# "Masky" has to be Tim and let me explain why... sideburns.

If you can freeze the video to when Masky(totheark or whatever you want to call him) attacks J, you'll get a very brief side view of his head. The sideburns are exactly the same in entry 35# when Masky's.... mask is taken off.

Tim is not dead and I have a little thoery of my own that I may throw out that I haven't put much thought into myself.

Okay so lets say when Slender Man begins his stalking on somebody, it begins to make them paranoid, isolated. Generally fucks with their heads to the point of sending them crazy. Now lets say that when Alex hired Tim to be in his film, thats what brought Slender Man in Alex's direction (perhaps Tim had his experience with Slender Man after acting in a previous film and as time passed and things started to settle down he wanted to begin acting again without realizing what would happen). Then when Slender Man began stalking Alex he re-began stalking Tim, Tim by the way is talking pills to keep him calm or something which only makes me think this theory is ever more true.



If you can make any sense of what said then thats a little theory thats been tinkling my brain for the past 10 minutes.

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 		EDIT: Yes, it's a pretty damn big wall of text. I'm not apologizing. Several hours in between class lectures reading this thread, and an hour to put this all together? Yeah, not doing a tl;dr for this. Rolling Eyes

8bitFilk wrote:
Aww, come ON people!! I've only just found the new entry and the discussion's already on 22 pages?! I have a life too! I don't have time to read all this! Bang Head


… almost 25 pages for me… >_>'''

(Pre-post edit: Damnit! JUST hit 25 as I was writing this! X_X)

And yeah… I read it all… all twenty-five goddamn pages… And also decided to split this up into 'categories' so it's less of a bear to read through ^_^'' You're all welcome. Razz

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IDLE THEORIES

(Idle Thought to Start This Off: Was Tim waiting for Alex in particular…? He ignored Jay entirely. I don't think he wanted Jay at all at this stage.)

And to follow on that idle thought, it puts a crazy spin on Entry 33… obviously Timasky didn't want 'Memory Loss Jay' to rediscover his identity (hence the Mask of all Masks). That'd explain him assaulting him and trying to keep him from the tapes.

Also, there might be an edit, but who's to say that wasn't where the camera just started recording /correctly/ after Slendyference? It cuts to black, and the next thing we see is a driving Jay. Maybe he'd just gotten out of the aura around Slendy and/or Tim. Also, Tim and/or Alex could very easily be in that car with him.

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A FEW QUOTES I THOUGHT WERE PARTICULARLY HELPFUL/AWESOME

ZombieComplex wrote:
Indextic wrote:
Rawkz0rz wrote:
If J did film himself driving after the Timasky incident occurred, we'd see him starting the camera up. This leads me to believe he was recording over footage of himself driving. When the footage of them inside the house cuts out, it reverts to what was originally on the tape.

This too leads me to question J, what if he's been filming over important stuff?


Wait, no, that answers the question as to why it just cuts to driving! He had no more tapes, but needed to get this on tape... so he taped over a video of him driving! Meaning this video could be VERY late in the 7 months! That's why it seems like he's already met up with Alex even though there hasn't been a video of them meeting for the first time! AGH IT MAKES SENSE NOW


Oh god, that's perfect! o_o


^ THIS!

Rawkz0rz wrote:
Hmm... Although interesting I do have to ask, J clearly didn't expect to find anything when he went into the house- why would he feel the need to get it on camera?


He records himself sleeping so… yeah.

Oni Warlord wrote:
awakeasaurusrex wrote:
Oni Warlord wrote:
I don't know if this has been said (21 pages and late at night). If Tim is still alive, there may be a reason for him to wear the mask now. Shocked
I said it, but it bears repeating. Broken nose, smashed-out teeth, perhaps even worse injuries - Tim may very well not be much of a looker these days.

Hmm. The picture-pieces in Fragments covered all of Alex's face except the nose. If Tim is TTA, maybe he's pissed at what Alex did to his beautiful face and intends to repay Alex several times over.

Or maybe he already has and he wants Jay to know that. Perhaps the point of that message was "Alex represented your best chance of working out what was going on and getting your life back. He's gone now. Deal with it."

Orrrrr... maybe the "you" in the TTA video doesn't refer to one person, but a group? Maybe it's collectively addressing Alex, Jay, and anyone else they got in on their Slendybusters crew? Perhaps something happened to shatter the group so badly that there's no chance in hell of them getting back together again - like one of them betrayed the others so badly that those who survived the betrayal just aren't going to trust each other any more.
Let's also remember the morse code in fragments. Who "MUST DIE EIEEEEE?" Alex? That implies that Alex is still alive. Is TTA saying "SEE" to a blind Alex? Or is is more of an arbitrary comment to Jay to SEE.


^ Nothing in here is crap. I really like this theory the more I read it (So thank you Oni Warlord and awakeasaurusrex!)

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THEORIZING TIME!

In terms of their motivations, I feel like a plausible theory at this point is this:
- Alex's pursuit of the Operator caused problems for everybody else in the crew, especially Tim
- Alex decided to hide from Him instead of continuing to pursue him
- Tim… didn't. He got involved. Dunno if it's because a) he's a minion of the Operator b) he's fighting against the Operator to destroy Him c) he's infected with something and wants to get rid of the 'disease'
- Tim's beef with Alex is that he's the 'key' to getting what he wants, and the way he's been portrayed in the S1 entries is in an overly positive light, like he's a hero instead of the reason for their problems (Could explain why he's upset with Jay's portrayal of him (Tim) and Alex in S1) (Also, could explain why he planted the camera in 26… IF he did)

I know it's a stretch, but it's my most logical assimilation of the theories I have, without making any HUGE assumptions about specifics (Slendy-sickness, TTA = Masky?, Tim as a minion of Slendy or not, etc.). Thoughts?

(And since this theory below sorta falls in line with mine…)

mellodragon wrote:
Alright, now that I've calmed down enough to think semi-straight, there are some things I want to bring up.

As far as we know, there have been NO attempts on anyone's life in this series. Yes, there was the fire at Jay's apartment, but I'm too convinced it was either an extremely disturbing coincidence or TTA knewn Jay wasn't going to be there and did it as a show of power.

However, this video just feels... wrong. There's something wrong going on, and I think it has to do with Alex. Up until now, he's been considered nothing but a poor victim of the Operator, but what if we're completely off? He tried (maybe succeeded, but I'm leaning towards no) to kill a guy for what appears to be no reason other than prejudice. As far as we know, Masky has had nothing to do with Alex other than working with him as Tim and getting into arguments with him.

I'm not even convinced Timasky was trying to kill Alex with that knife. It was awfully puny, I doubt it could do a serious amount of damage. Which brings up my next point.

BLEEDMORE

If Alex is indeed being followed by the Operator up to this point, then it's perfectly logical that he's somewhere nearby while this confrontation between Alex/Timasky/Jay happens. If BLEEDMORE was a clue as to how to keep the Operator away, that could be Tim's reason for passing up Jay and heading for Alex with that knife.

Which brings up my NEXT point.

I haven't thought hard on this, so there are probably huge holes in it and it will probably change as my mood changes. But. What if Alex is the ARK? Not in a stupid "Alex blah blah blah Kralie" sense, but as a vessel for escaping the Operator.

The message BLEEDMORE, I think we can mostly agree, was directed at Alex, but it could have easily been a clue given to Jay. What if there is something about Alex's very blood that has the ability to end this entire slenderbusiness once and for all? Or at least get the Operator our of everyone's hair.

Webster's Dictionary wrote:
Definition of ARK

something that affords protection and safety


Just something to chew on.


(… Good stuff, mellodragon!)

- - -

And, lastly, since it's the last thing posted before I posted (and because I identify with you, 8bitfilk, after reading through twenty-five freaking pages…)

8bitFilk wrote:
Right, I've gone through every single post (I may have zoned out for a few though) and responded to points I thought I had something to add to.
Apologies if this is a bit long winded, but it's several hours worth of work and I'll be damned if I'm gonna delete stuff after all that effort!


I'm with you there...

8bitfilk wrote:
Salty wrote:
It just doesn't make sense to me in that context. He wouldn't yell "There's nothing here" if Alex is so adamant that something is there. Now, it makes sense in the context that Jay has come all this way with no leads other than a return address and a "HELP". To me, it seems like Alex walks in on him not expecting him to be there. He speaks with the tone he does because he can't just yell "LOOK OUT HE'S IN THE CLOSET!" and give it away. He's got to play it cool.

I really don't get this view. Jay has never spoken to himself like this in the other entries; why would he here? It seemed pretty obvious he was addressing someone else.
Plus, if Alex had just walked in, out of the blue, I'm pretty sure Jay's reaction would have been "Holy Shit! Where the fuckery butt-nuggets have you been?!?!" regardless of whether Alex is "shush"-ing him, waving, or dancing the can-can. He didn't seem anywhere near that surprised.
Everything here points at them coming together. Bear in mind that the video tapes in the safe were not in any order. Jay and Alex could have met up again way before this was filmed but Jay just hasn't found any earlier footage of that yet.


Most convincing synthesis of pro-Alex-and-Jay-have-met-before-this argument I've heard yet.

8bitfilk wrote:
awakeasaurusrex wrote:
One point it doesn't mention - because we haven't really talked about it - but which I think is kind of a big deal is that there's a conspicuous green folder sitting on one of the shelves, which wasn't there in entry 34. That's got to have something interesting inside it.

That stood out like a sore thumb to me too. I was surprised when Jay didn't walk straight over to pick it up when he spotted it.


I want that green folder! O_O (*wishes MH did dead drops and that I lived in Alabama ;_; *)
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 		Okay, holy crap this thread *exploded* in just a few hours. In any case, here are my theories -

TiMasky is not dead. Alex broke his leg or, more likely, his knee. Breaking a knee takes a while to heal, and even after it's all healed up, it's going to cause a limp. This is assuming that he went to the doctor right away. But if his leg was broken, yeah, still a limp - he could have gone too slowly to the doctor or tried to fix it himself. (For all we know, Tim could have been trying medical school.)

Another possible idea, I don't know if it's brought up yet - maybe TTA and Masky are working together, but seperate entities? Masky could have gone to them when his leg was broken or something.

Another idea- people keep bringing up how Tim seemed normal in the interview. But we only saw Masky *after* the interview, right? Maybe that conversation brought Tim back to the Operator's sight, and something happened to make him become Masky. I don't know if I buy the whole 'Masky is the Operator's pawn' deal, but when you have a quasi-Lovecraftian horror messing with you, going nuts isn't unlikely. He seemed a little unstable in the raw footage of the student film - maybe the Operator's return sent him over the edge.

... uh. wall of text wall of text?

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ZombieComplex wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that when Alex first enters, his position is similar, if not the same, as the figure at the end of the tunnel in Entry #29. Perhaps it wasn't Slendy, but Alex?
If it was Alex, and if we assume for a moment that #29 takes place before #35, then maybe #29 was when Alex and Jay finally encounter each other again and team up in a way?
I don't know, it's just a theory, and of course I'm going to have to wait for more entries and information to edit/re-do my theory.



Now that I think about it, Alex did have the same sort of pose as the figure in #29. No doubt at the fact that Alex and Jay did indeed meet and team up.

I think in the 7 months Jay lost, he responded to Alex's cry for help in #26.
But now it makes me think, the girl who attracted Slendy with Alex's old camera, was Jessica? (Or am I really really late?)

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 		No, it wasn't, that was Amy, who is not Jessica.

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NoMoreGaems wrote:
No, it wasn't, that was Amy, who is not Jessica.


Oh, okay, thanks.

Derp on my end. Embarassed

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 		It seems like we are working on the assumption that ToTheArk sent the tape to Jay's hotel. But from what we've been presented with, it definitely seems like Alex sent it.

Jay was completely silent during his first trip to the house. If Alex was waiting around outside for Jay to show up, he would not have known that Jay had arrived. But when Jay goes back to the abandoned house to stomp around and yell, Alex hears Jay and confronts him. It takes Alex a full minute to enter the house, so I'm guessing he was pretty far away (far enough that he did not hear Jay's previous visit).

How did Alex know Jay would be there? He sent Jay the tape with that address on it. This is the simplest possible answer. The alternate is complicated and draws on a lot of stuff we don't see. This is Jay's first time seeing Alex in five years, and Jays' actions in the house make sense along those lines:

Jay gets a tape and sees Alex (who he has been trying to find for over a year) in trouble. He can't wait to find Alex, so he checks out of his hotel and drives for hours...to find nothing. Can you imagine if Jay posted Entry 34 after Entry 26? We would be furious - and so we can see that Jay too would be furious. He's basically smashing stuff and yelling to vent that frustration.

Alex shows up going "shush shush", so Jay does it. If this guy who was in danger on the tapes is telling him to be quiet, he's gonna do it. How does Jay know what dangers are lurking around? Obviously Alex would, so Jay quiets down and lets Alex take the lead. They find Masky and fight. Alex seems pretty adamant about not being followed by Masky again, indicating that Masky followed Alex to the house in the first place.

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 		So I was lurking this for a bit reading all of this (well, not all of it) and I've noticed something. Forgive me if this is old or already known, but in Entry 29 there's a bloody rock that looks a LOT like the rock that Alex used to attack Masky. Maybe this means that 29 was after the footage on 35?

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 		whoa there wait a second. theres a bloody rock in entry 29 isnt there?
and that knife, could that be the knife Jay lost in entry 18?

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morscata12 wrote:
It seems like we are working on the assumption that ToTheArk sent the tape to Jay's hotel. But from what we've been presented with, it definitely seems like Alex sent it.



There's really only one problem with this, but it's a big one.

How did Alex know where Jay was? Ever since the apartment fire, he'd been hotel hopping and trying to keep as mobile as possible. He was getting out of town. Unless Alex was TTA and was keeping tabs on him the entire time, there was no way for him to know where Jay was.

I'm NOT saying Alex is TTA. In fact, as of right now, I'm leaning more towards TTA being someone we haven't seen in a long time, like Brian or Seth. TTA's responses are just too... something to be either a)Alex or Tim or b)one person.

Anyway, I terribly doubt there was any way for Alex to find where Jay was at the time of Entry #26. Jay wasn't at the apartment when it burned, so he probably didn't tell anyone there where he was going. And he's way too paranoid to tell a hotel where he's going next when he leaves, plus who the hell would do that?

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 		This video really makes me excited for TTA's next video. The only questions I have are about Alex's sudden appearance, but that might be cleared up in a later video. But Jay is right, this changes everything.

And I agree with the theory that Masky wasn't trying to hurt Jay. This entry makes Alex seem much more malicious but we don't know what happened to him between that time and the last entry he was in. If more footage of Alex surfaces he may find an answer, but he seems to be currently m.i.a. yet again.

Also, where exactly does this fit in the timeline? Between what other entries?

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 		At 0:38 I can't tell if it's a voice or my headphones acting up.

When Alex told Jay to turn off the camera he then said "He's not going to follow us" could this mean that Tim can only follow them with the camera on?...or was he meaning he was going to smash his face in with a rock...Jay also looked kinda mad at the end.
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SadlyChamo wrote:
At 0:38 I can't tell if it's a voice or my headphones acting up.


I can't seem to hear any voice, the closest thing to a voice is J grunting before saying there is nothing there, and thats around 0:41.

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