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 		Regarding the water theory, I don't recall anyone specifically pointing that out, but it could have happened, i think I remember someone pointing out the rain in 34s thread, but I'm not sure. At the very least, it's a rarely mentioned correlation, and a new notice of it.

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Haven't gone through every post so not sure if this has been answered, but I really wonder how long after Entry 34 that Entry 35 takes place? Like is it a day, an hour, a week? Probably doesn't matter much, but just a curious thought.


We simply don't know.

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 		Here's a newbie's rhetorical question.

Has TiMasky ever actually tried to AVIDLY hurt Jay?
The answer? I'm pretty sure he hasn't.
If anything, from what I've gotten, and I've just recently rewatched all of it. TiMasky actually just sorta.... watches. That's it. Beyond shoving and scaring the bejeebas out of Jay, Masky never actually goes and tries to hurt him in anyway.

I'm also in that big category where I believe ToTheArk is not TiMasky. I think it's Alex. It makes sense, doesn't it? After the pictures that were given reposted (thank you and I adore you for it, because otherwise I wouldn't have noticed it) I'm even more sure. Maybe it's Brian, even.

Ask yourself this, why would TTA post on Jay's Youtube account, what he could have posted to his own? If it was to Jay, Jay would've seen it when someone pointed it out to him. Why post it on *his*? Masky, however, would have ample time to do it. I mean, who creeps on Jay's sleeping habits? Oh, that's right Masky. He would've had time to load it up from a jump drive and everything.


annnd, not sure about this. But. the notebook/duotang, I'm pretty sure Jay's camera FOCUSES on it for a few seconds (I remember reading earlier that someone thought it was a script, they would've done a few reshots if that was the case), he stops and SEES it.

And um, I might be alone in this but. I do scream in frustration in times like Jay was in. "WHERE THE HELL IS IT?!" sorts of things. I think it's common, I've seen it done many times. Jay most definitely didn't think he'd see Alex. Which left TiMasky to go "OHSHI--" and just go on the defensive against him.

There was a *reason* Tim was there that day and he wanted to tell Jay something in a discreet way, I think it was in that notebook. Something was in there and Tim wanted Jay to see it and wanted to make /sure/. They both just didn't expect Alex to show up. As I'm pretty sure, from the angle that the closet/staircase/whatever was at, you COULD SEE THE BOOK CASE.

annnd I'll stop rambling.

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TheNarrator wrote:
Here's a newbie's rhetorical question.

Has TiMasky ever actually to AVIDLY hurt Jay?
The answer? I'm pretty sure he hasn't.
If anything, from what I've gotten, and I've just recently rewatched all of it. TiMasky actually just sorta.... watches. That's it. Beyond shoving and scaring the bejeebas out of Jay, Masky never actually goes and tries to hurt him in anyway.

I'm also in that big category where I believe ToTheArk is not TiMasky. I think it's Alex. It makes sense, doesn't it? After the pictures that were given reposted (thank you and I adore you for it, because otherwise I wouldn't have noticed it) I'm even more sure. Maybe it's Brian, even.

Ask yourself this, why would TTA post on Jay's Youtube account, what he could have posted to his own? If it was to Jay, Jay would've seen it when someone pointed it out to him. Why post it on *his*? Masky, however, would have ample time to do it. I mean, who creeps on Jay's sleeping habits? Oh, that's right Masky. He would've had time to load it up from a jump drive and everything.


annnd, not sure about this. But. the notebook/duotang, I'm pretty sure Jay's camera FOCUSES on it for a few seconds (I remember reading earlier that someone thought it was a script, they would've done a few reshots if that was the case), he stops and SEES it.

And um, I might be alone in this but. I do scream in frustration in times like Jay was in. "WHERE THE HELL IS IT?!" sorts of things. I think it's common, I've seen it done many times. Jay most definitely didn't think he'd see Alex. Which left TiMasky to go "OHSHI--" and just go on the defensive against him.

There was a *reason* Tim was there that day and he wanted to tell Jay something in a discreet way, I think it was in that notebook. Something was in there and Tim wanted Jay to see it and wanted to make /sure/. They both just didn't expect Alex to show up. As I'm pretty sure, from the angle that the closet/staircase/whatever was at, you COULD SEE THE BOOK CASE.

annnd I'll stop rambling.


I agree with you on a lot of points, here.

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TheNarrator wrote:
annnd, not sure about this. But. the notebook/duotang, I'm pretty sure Jay's camera FOCUSES on it for a few seconds (I remember reading earlier that someone thought it was a script, they would've done a few reshots if that was the case), he stops and SEES it.

And um, I might be alone in this but. I do scream in frustration in times like Jay was in. "WHERE THE HELL IS IT?!" sorts of things. I think it's common, I've seen it done many times. Jay most definitely didn't think he'd see Alex. Which left TiMasky to go "OHSHI--" and just go on the defensive against him.


My question is if Jay sees the folder, then why is he still saying out loud that he's not seeing anything? His voice struck me as too loud and obvious to be talking to himself (although I acknowledge that as a sound theory). It seems more plausible that if Jay sees it, then he continues talking loudly to draw out Masky, who he already knows is there.

I know this subject has already been beaten to death, but I'm going to agree with the people who think that Jay and Alex arrived together or planned to meet there. It's the "Alright, hold on" that Jay whispers that sold me - it seemed far too casual and off-hand for a first meeting. That and their cooperation getting the cord and tying him up. The whole thing screamed "set up to catch Masky" to me, with the talking intended to make Masky think they didn't know he was there.

TheNarrator wrote:
There was a *reason* Tim was there that day and he wanted to tell Jay something in a discreet way, I think it was in that notebook. Something was in there and Tim wanted Jay to see it and wanted to make /sure/. They both just didn't expect Alex to show up. As I'm pretty sure, from the angle that the closet/staircase/whatever was at, you COULD SEE THE BOOK CASE.

annnd I'll stop rambling.


I do agree that Tim was waiting for Jay, possibly to share information. Information such as, "Stay away from Alex - he is bad news." Which would explain why he ignored Jay and attacked Alex.

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My question is if Jay sees the folder, then why is he still saying out loud that he's not seeing anything? His voice struck me as too loud and obvious to be talking to himself (although I acknowledge that as a sound theory). It seems more plausible that if Jay sees it, then he continues talking loudly to draw out Masky, who he already knows is there.


This is an iffy theory for me. I can see it, but at the same time, it really doesn't make sense.

Entry 34, Jay went there the first time, Alex wasn't there. And I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Entry 35 was about a week or two after that. During that time, wouldn't it make more sense that Jay visited two or three times alone? Seeing nothing? The frustration would build, I know it has for me, searching for the same thing over and over again. It would get to a point where you'd just explode!

And hm, I'm going to have to rewatch the entry to make sure, but. I'm pretty sure Alex jerks the camera focus away from the book. Which leads to the whole thing of Alex just appearing. I'm going out on another limb and say that at this point in the game, after everything that Jay's seen. Would Alex appearing at the place, where he "supposedly" sent the package too, really shock him all that much? I mean, that's why he went there, right? To find Alex. To see if he's okay. If the Operator didn't make liver tea out of him and his girlfriend.

But yes, I do see the plausibility that Alex and Jay met up before this, but it comes to mind that wouldn't Jay post on his twitter that there were more tapes of him and Alex? Entry 35 was a big one. He would want to point this out asap, I guess?


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I do agree that Tim was waiting for Jay, possibly to share information. Information such as, "Stay away from Alex - he is bad news." Which would explain why he ignored Jay and attacked Alex.

I'm really interested in hearing what other things might come of this. I hope that notebook comes back into light. It could make a lot of things be seen in a new light.


And this reminds me, apparently, some people on Youtube saw a bit of Slenderman in this entry. A few seconds before it cuts out to him driving apparently, has anyone ripped and went through it frame by frame? ** Busted this myself.


And another little tidbit that I don't know if it's been said as I've been up all day+night, why did Tim start coughing as soon as the mask was taken off? Is the mask some sort of boundry between him and The Operator?[/strike]

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TheNarrator wrote:
Entry 34, Jay went there the first time, Alex wasn't there. And I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Entry 35 was about a week or two after that. During that time, wouldn't it make more sense that Jay visited two or three times alone? Seeing nothing? The frustration would build, I know it has for me, searching for the same thing over and over again. It would get to a point where you'd just explode!

I also think there's a good chance he went alone a few times to search, which is what makes me think he probably saw that folder. And so if he saw the folder, that makes me wonder what compelled him to say loudly that he saw nothing. That's what led me to the "draw out Masky" theory.

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Would Alex appearing at the place, where he "supposedly" sent the package too, really shock him all that much?

Yeah, that's true.

As for posting about more tapes with Alex on the twitter, it's possible he hasn't yet seen any other instances. It was brought up earlier in this thread that #35 may have been taped over Jay driving, thus putting it out of order. And we still don't know for certain how much time passed between #34 and #35, so there could be a lot of nothing before any clips of Alex.

I definitely didn't see anything that looked like Slenderman. My guess is that if we were supposed to see him, it would have been more obvious.

About the coughing, Alex was strangling him with some cord (poor Tim). My first thought was that the coughing was due to Slendersickness, or even perhaps because his mask was taken off. But after seeing the cord around his neck, I can't be 100% sure either way.

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YamaKami wrote:
I also think there's a good chance he went alone a few times to search, which is what makes me think he probably saw that folder. And so if he saw the folder, that makes me wonder what compelled him to say loudly that he saw nothing. That's what led me to the "draw out Masky" theory.

That's a good thing. But. I think it was before that. He simply walked in, looked around a bit before Alex came in, he saw it. Wen't back around and then Alex came in.

To fix a bit of my theory as I just re-watched it a few seconds ago. Perhaps he didn't notice it. He really did stop for a second on it and then glanced on. Hm.

Maybe you're right, it was a "Draw out Masky" plan. Huh.

YamaKami wrote:
Yeah, that's true.

As for posting about more tapes with Alex on the twitter, it's possible he hasn't yet seen any other instances. It was brought up earlier in this thread that #35 may have been taped over Jay driving, thus putting it out of order. And we still don't know for certain how much time passed between #34 and #35, so there could be a lot of nothing before any clips of Alex.


Well, there is that. And as I've done the same thing countless times at school, I can really understand how that works. But, hm, it seems... a little strange, to me? It could've ran out of batteries for all we know. But how it cut is a little strange.

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About the coughing, Alex was strangling him with some cord (poor Tim). My first thought was that the coughing was due to Slendersickness, or even perhaps because his mask was taken off. But after seeing the cord around his neck, I can't be 100% sure either way.

I took a good look at the stills.
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8941/48847527.png (Linking not posting.)

Those cables are pretty loose. Plus, Slendysickness; maybe that mask /is/ protection from it.

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Those cables are pretty loose. Plus, Slendysickness; maybe that mask /is/ protection from it.

You're right, the cord does seem loose enough not to constrict airflow, even right as Jay takes off the mask at 1:37-38. I actually really like the idea that the mask affords some protection from the operator and/or the sickness - I've been thinking this for a while now (and I think there might be another thread about it somewhere). To me, it would explain a lot about why Tim is able to function as well as he does (limited though his capacity for communication may be) rather than just *gone* like Brian, Seth, etc. But I can't cite any hard evidence for it.

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 		To be honest, it quite possible could be the way that the Operator can't "see" him.

A lot like the origins of Halloween, when otherworlders would come to house seeking a treat or play a trick on you. It evolved into if you wear the mask during that one night, you're "safe" as they think of you as one of their own. Therefore, they can't "see" you.

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 		Even though it's highly likely that this has already been brought up, I saw no mention of it in my cursory read-through of the thread:

In Entry #29, there is a blood-soaked rock in the middle of the tunnel. The proportions, as far as I can tell, seem to be identical to those of the stone that struck Masky in Entry #35. Does anyone else think the events of "noentry" could fill the gap between the assault on Masky and the scene of Jay driving in the car?

Cue endless slowpoke.JPGs, I'm sure. Sad

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Kotzu wrote:
Even though it's highly likely that this has already been brought up, I saw no mention of it in my cursory read-through of the thread:

In Entry #29, there is a blood-soaked rock in the middle of the tunnel. The proportions, as far as I can tell, seem to be identical to those of the stone that struck Masky in Entry #35. Does anyone else think the events of "noentry" could fill the gap between the assault on Masky and the scene of Jay driving in the car?

Cue endless slowpoke.JPGs, I'm sure. Sad


Howdy!

Yup, the connection has been made but considering the size of this thread I can't blame you for not finding a mention of it without reading every last post.

Did you take any screenshots you could post for comparison? Don't think anyone's posted anything like that yet.

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TheNarrator wrote:
I'm also in that big category where I believe ToTheArk is not TiMasky. I think it's Alex. It makes sense, doesn't it? After the pictures that were given reposted (thank you and I adore you for it, because otherwise I wouldn't have noticed it) I'm even more sure. Maybe it's Brian, even.


...why

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Ask yourself this, why would TTA post on Jay's Youtube account, what he could have posted to his own?


To show him that control is being taken away from him?

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Masky, however, would have ample time to do it. I mean, who creeps on Jay's sleeping habits? Oh, that's right Masky. He would've had time to load it up from a jump drive and everything.


Good thing Masky's TTA then

TheNarrator wrote:
annnd, not sure about this. But. the notebook/duotang, I'm pretty sure Jay's camera FOCUSES on it for a few seconds (I remember reading earlier that someone thought it was a script, they would've done a few reshots if that was the case), he stops and SEES it.


Wait, what notebook?

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8bitFilk wrote:
Kotzu wrote:
Even though it's highly likely that this has already been brought up, I saw no mention of it in my cursory read-through of the thread:

In Entry #29, there is a blood-soaked rock in the middle of the tunnel. The proportions, as far as I can tell, seem to be identical to those of the stone that struck Masky in Entry #35. Does anyone else think the events of "noentry" could fill the gap between the assault on Masky and the scene of Jay driving in the car?

Cue endless slowpoke.JPGs, I'm sure. Sad


Howdy!

Yup, the connection has been made but considering the size of this thread I can't blame you for not finding a mention of it without reading every last post.

Did you take any screenshots you could post for comparison? Don't think anyone's posted anything like that yet.
Actually there have been comparison photos. I think we established that they are different rocks.

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 		TTA is NOT Alex. Unless you're saying that throughout season 1 Masky and Alex were working together, which technically is possible because NOTHING has actually been proved for certain in this series except that Tim is Masky. I think this i EXTREMELY unlikely though. Entry 26 seems to indicate that Alex had somehow managed to move on and remove himself from the Slenderman whatever was going on.

I would be extremely surprised if Tim was not TTA. Especially when you watch things like entry 19 and then Return. If TTA is not Tim, then it's someone working very closely with him, and as far as we know, Tim has been working alone (though who knows?)

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SticktheFigure wrote:
8bitFilk wrote:
Kotzu wrote:
Even though it's highly likely that this has already been brought up, I saw no mention of it in my cursory read-through of the thread:

In Entry #29, there is a blood-soaked rock in the middle of the tunnel. The proportions, as far as I can tell, seem to be identical to those of the stone that struck Masky in Entry #35. Does anyone else think the events of "noentry" could fill the gap between the assault on Masky and the scene of Jay driving in the car?

Cue endless slowpoke.JPGs, I'm sure. Sad


Howdy!

Yup, the connection has been made but considering the size of this thread I can't blame you for not finding a mention of it without reading every last post.

Did you take any screenshots you could post for comparison? Don't think anyone's posted anything like that yet.
Actually there have been comparison photos. I think we established that they are different rocks.


Ah sorry, missed that. Guess that proves my point about stuff getting overlooked in a thread this big. Wink

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