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Eyeball
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Masky and The Ark
What are they?

Right, so we know that there are at least four different masks. Which suggests (at least to me) that there are four different people wearing the masks.

If this is the case we know that one of the people wearing a mask is Tim. It's pretty blatant.

I have theories on two other Mask wearers, one is Jessica.
But the slightly more surprising one is Jay himself.
When Jay disappears in the house and appears again in the closet with the mattress in it there is a mask hanging on the door handle, but he is almost immediately attacked by Masky (Tim this time), he also seems to be in a similar physical condition to Tim. I think that when Jay is blacking out and losing memory that is time he is spending with the Mask on.

On to the subject of the Ark. I'm certain the Ark is the safe Jay took the new set of tapes from. An Ark is where you keep something sacred, powerful or secret (think Ark of the Covenant here people) I think the Masky's want the Ark, which means that Jay (as opposed to his masked alter ego) getting it is not necessarily good for them.

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Re: Masky and The Ark
What are they?

Eyeball wrote:
Right, so we know that there are at least four different masks. Which suggests (at least to me) that there are four different people wearing the masks.


Four masks? What are you talking about? Okay, Tim's Mask, and Skully, if it is a mask at all or anything relevant at all and not just a random image. Thats two.

Eyeball wrote:
If this is the case we know that one of the people wearing a mask is Tim. It's pretty blatant.


I think most of us can agree that Masky is Tim.

Eyeball wrote:
I have theories on two other Mask wearers, one is Jessica.
But the slightly more surprising one is Jay himself.


Well why do you think Jessica is? I'm about to respond to your Jay reasoning. Also where is her mask?

Eyeball wrote:
When Jay disappears in the house and appears again in the closet with the mattress in it there is a mask hanging on the door handle, but he is almost immediately attacked by Masky (Tim this time), he also seems to be in a similar physical condition to Tim. I think that when Jay is blacking out and losing memory that is time he is spending with the Mask on.


What? There was never a Masky attack in 23. Masky appeared and then ran through the doors to confuse Jay. When Jay went through the doors it either jump cut or he got time/space displaced via door warping. When Jay reappeared in the closet it's is true wen left and saw a Mask hanging on the door, but we have no idea if he picked it up. and directly after that the video jump cut/warped to where Alex and Seth were in 22. There is a sighting of the Operator, but no viewing of our Masked friend.

Eyeball wrote:
On to the subject of the Ark. I'm certain the Ark is the safe Jay took the new set of tapes from. An Ark is where you keep something sacred, powerful or secret (think Ark of the Covenant here people) I think the Masky's want the Ark, which means that Jay (as opposed to his masked alter ego) getting it is not necessarily good for them.


Why are you certain of this? Masky didn't put up much of a fight to get what was in the safe in 33.

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Re: Masky and The Ark
What are they?

Playmer wrote:
Eyeball wrote:
Right, so we know that there are at least four different masks. Which suggests (at least to me) that there are four different people wearing the masks.


Four masks? What are you talking about? Okay, Tim's Mask, and Skully, if it is a mask at all or anything relevant at all and not just a random image. Thats two.


Woops, meant at least three, maybe four.
This is what I mean

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The top mask has differently placed eyebrows and differently shaped eyes to the second. It also looks more like a stylised female face than the second mask.
The third mask is possibly just one of the other two in a bad focus, or another mask, very hard to tell.
And everyone knows the fourth mask.

Eyeball wrote:
If this is the case we know that one of the people wearing a mask is Tim. It's pretty blatant.


I think most of us can agree that Masky is Tim.

Eyeball wrote:
I have theories on two other Mask wearers, one is Jessica.
But the slightly more surprising one is Jay himself.


Well why do you think Jessica is? I'm about to respond to your Jay reasoning. Also where is her mask? [/quote]

Sorry, forgot to add the reasoning, it is half past four in the morning here. She shares symptoms with both Jay and Tim.

Eyeball wrote:
When Jay disappears in the house and appears again in the closet with the mattress in it there is a mask hanging on the door handle, but he is almost immediately attacked by Masky (Tim this time), he also seems to be in a similar physical condition to Tim. I think that when Jay is blacking out and losing memory that is time he is spending with the Mask on.


What? There was never a Masky attack in 23. Masky appeared and then ran through the doors to confuse Jay. When Jay went through the doors it either jump cut or he got time/space displaced via door warping. When Jay reappeared in the closet it's is true wen left and saw a Mask hanging on the door, but we have no idea if he picked it up. and directly after that the video jump cut/warped to where Alex and Seth were in 22. There is a sighting of the Operator, but no viewing of our Masked friend.
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Ah, ok. No Masky attack (sorry, again, sleep dep). I'm not suggesting Jay picked it up. We don't know how much time actually elapsed between him disappearing and reappearing. He could have done his masky thing, hung the mask on the door and gone into the closet. Everybody is suggesting teleportation for these location changes. But some digital camcorders can pause recording. That might be all it is.

Eyeball wrote:
On to the subject of the Ark. I'm certain the Ark is the safe Jay took the new set of tapes from. An Ark is where you keep something sacred, powerful or secret (think Ark of the Covenant here people) I think the Masky's want the Ark, which means that Jay (as opposed to his masked alter ego) getting it is not necessarily good for them.


Why are you certain of this? Masky didn't put up much of a fight to get what was in the safe in 33. [/quote]

I'm certain because an Ark is a box where you keep important or secret things and the safe is essentially a box that contained information somebody didn't want Jay to have.[/spoiler]

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Occum's Razor suggests to me that there is only one Masky, just as there is only one Slenderman. Having four different individuals who all fulfill the same essential purpose seems, to me at least, unnecessarily complex. I think it's much more likely that it's one person with different masks.

As for Tim, I think I'm one of the few who's reluctant to connect him with TTA/Masky. Yes, I know he has the jacket. But really, given his apparent ability to enter J's house without trouble, I don't think he'd have much trouble stealing it in order to frame Tim. While the main MH videos have been very straightforward (and I think it's silly when people go frame by frame looking for any hidden Slenderman appearance) TTA's videos have been extremely difficult to solve, requiring you to dig well below the surface. For that reason, I'm disinclined to trust anything about TTA/Masky that's only superficial. I know this sort of goes against what I said about Occum's Razor earlier, and in all likelihood I think Tim probably is Masky. I just hope he isn't, because that seems way too obvious for the character they've established for him.

I also think that while TTA might not be actively trying to help J, he is working against the Operator. Because, once again, it just doesn't make sense to me otherwise. Why have two antagonist quantities who are both relatively unknown to the protagonist who basically are out to do the same thing and fulfill the same roles? It only makes sense if they have different purposes, or are working against each other. Supporting evidence for this is the number of opportunities Masky has had to seriously harm J, the way he seems to draw the Operator away from J in Return, and the way a lot of people are saying he seems like he is trying to scare J more than attack him in 33.

I saw someone mention once that they thought Masky wore the mask so that the Operator wouldn't be able to find him. Due to the whole theme of facelessness. Which I thought was pretty compelling, even if it's not true.

As for the Ark, my thoughts are directed immediately to Noah's. Some kind of refuge from Slenderman, where Masky does not have to wear the mask constantly in order to be safe. But this I have the least amount of confidence for out of any of my guesses.



That's that basically... tl;dr, Masky is one person, hopefully not Tim, and somewhere between chaotic neutral-good.

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I think it's fairly obvious what the ark is; it's a small mouse whom has fashioned a ping-pong ball into a crash helmet and rides around on a toy motorcycle while making mouth noises of said motorcycle. Obviously. Wink

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I'm beginning to think these other masked fellows are pretty much there for no reason. I mean, the only masked dude we ever see in action is Tim. It made me start wondering: If Tim's only really after Jay, what the fuck are those other masked people up to? I know there's that whole "Skully is Jessica's Masky" thing, but I'm not really on board with that. Unless we see the other masked peeps in some later entries, then I'm just gonna pretend they don't exist. :/

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Re: Masky and The Ark
What are they?

Eyeball wrote:



The top mask has differently placed eyebrows and differently shaped eyes to the second. It also looks more like a stylised female face than the second mask.
The third mask is possibly just one of the other two in a bad focus, or another mask, very hard to tell.
And everyone knows the fourth mask.


Change of angle and massive distortion solve the discrepancies between 1, 2, & 3. The fourth is, in my opinion, a nonissue whether it is a mask or not, since the rest of the footage seems to deal more with Alex's time. Even if it is some masked figure, it might be Tim's original mask that he since was forced to replace with the one that we are more familiar with or something along that vein.

To immediately jump to the conclusion that because there are minor differences between distorted images, one must be forced to believe that entities with no shown malicious intent are actually some kind of clone of a character that is by all other means quite original, is poor interpretation.
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Hi. I'm pretty sure there are only two masks.

The first two masks in that picture are the same mask. The eyebrows are actually in the same position, and the eyes are painted the same. The top mask only looks different because a combination of the different angles, lighting, and visual distortion. You also see a bit of the guy's neck underneath, which makes the mask look a bit pointier than it is.

I'm actually really familiar with the mask the MH crew used, I use them all the time (and they look like this before you paint them), so I can easily say that they aren't creating masks from scratch. They bought a blank and painted it, and therefore have no control over it's shape. Also I... Wait.

Wait, hold up.

Somebody help me out, I have no idea where the first and third images are from. They seem familiar, but I just can't place their entries... I don't feel right talking about them unless I'm 100% sure where they came from.

[EDIT] Got it, found the entry myself. Entry ######. Didn't think I'd find it so quick.

Yeah, no, they're all the same mask. TheBioGuy gets it.

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Basically, when it comes down to it, the first rule of interpretation is to never present as fact something that your text (in this case a series of videos and tweets) is silent about.

The second rule is to use what your source gives you. We have distinct evidence pointing to Tim as Masky, though no outright logical proof. We have stated opinion from an admittedly unsteady source that Masky is totheark. We also have an image of an artifact that may or may not be a mask with a skull-like face drawn on it that, when put in context, is part of a long string of scenes that are scary and that we have little evidence for their larger scope.

What we should then glean is that while it is likely that Tim=Masky=totheark, it is not 100%. And the weaker bond is Masky=totheark. And that there is a "Skully" artifact, but no more can actually be gleaned reliably from the Entry #26 footage.

What we should not glean is that there are any more Maskys, that any one other person is Masky without some significantly large piece of evidence, or that the "Skully" artifact, which might not be a mask, is anything more than an enigma in a series of enigmas.

In a separate piece of interpretation, the "Slenderflu" disease that several people in the series have displayed symptoms of-

We know the primary symptoms: a harsh cough, headaches, bouts of both fatigue and insomnia, and blanks in memory (though the final symptom may be unrelated). We know some victims of the disease, namely Jay (displayed in multiple videos), Jess (in recent videos starting perhaps as early as Entry #30), and Tim (in entry #20). Possible, though never confirmed, victims in addition to those listed above include Alex, Brian, and, if different than Tim, Masky.

What we should glean is that a certain level of involvement in issues related to the Operator results in a set of symptoms, possibly in only certain individuals. And that this syndrome's symptoms can be defined as above. No more can be reliably gleaned from the text.

What we should not glean is that this disease inevitably leads to the purchase and conversion of a mask. This seems, from evidence presented in the series, to have been one person's action, the cause of which is unknown, and the direct connection of which to the "Slenderflu" is tenuous at best.

Wow. I posted a long wall there. But I'm not going to tl;dr it, because I believe that reading it in full is important.
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Well, from where I'm sitting, it looks a lot like the "skully" artifact is just a mask painted onto a cloth sack or something.

Just my viewpoint.
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TheBioGuy wrote:
a sea of words on what can and cannot infer from a fictional series

Thank you for posting this. It's very much what's been on my mind, but you wrote it far more eloquently than I could have.

It also touches on an aspect of Masky that I've been going back and forth on for a while. What we see about Masky might be the late stages of "Slendersickness" as many people call it. Almost no communication except through physical action (and, assuming that Masky is TTA, cryptic imagery), and the mask itself might be an indication that his memory has been affected to the point where he no longer has any sense of self (i.e., he has no real "face" anymore). I could go on, but that's all I can remember anymore.

Going on the (very probable) assumption that Tim is Masky, it actually adds strength to that assumption when you consider that Tim was the first person we saw (chronologically) to be affected by this, and he very obviously didn't GFTO like Alex did in time to save himself.

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Granted, since we only have the video that TTA sent Jay telling us anything about Alex recently, he's a whole other can of worms that I presume we will discover more about this season. That video and Jay's promise to search for Alex is too big to be a red herring.


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I initially also thought Jessica was a Masky - my belief is that Maskies* are effectivly cultists who serve Slendy The Operator - and she was a plant. However her claiming to be in the same situation as Jay and then dissapearing makes me think its less likely.

It is worth noting she messed up the camera in the same way - though to a lesser extent - that Masky and Operator have.


*I also think Tim is the only Masky we've seen in MH but I kinda like the idea of there being other cultists.

Zarggg wrote:
TheBioGuy wrote:
a sea of words on what can and cannot infer from a fictional series

Thank you for posting this. It's very much what's been on my mind, but you wrote it far more eloquently than I could have.

It also touches on an aspect of Masky that I've been going back and forth on for a while. What we see about Masky might be the late stages of "Slendersickness" as many people call it. Almost no communication except through physical action (and, assuming that Masky is TTA, cryptic imagery), and the mask itself might be an indication that his memory has been affected to the point where he no longer has any sense of self (i.e., he has no real "face" anymore). I could go on, but that's all I can remember anymore.

Going on the (very probable) assumption that Tim is Masky, it actually adds strength to that assumption when you consider that Tim was the first person we saw (chronologically) to be affected by this, and he very obviously didn't GFTO like Alex did in time to save himself.

Off-Topic:
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Granted, since we only have the video that TTA sent Jay telling us anything about Alex recently, he's a whole other can of worms that I presume we will discover more about this season. That video and Jay's promise to search for Alex is too big to be a red herring.


I kinda like this but wasn't Tim fine in the interview?

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Yes, that would be a giant hole in the theory. For some reason, I thought the interviewed Brian.

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Corvus42 wrote:
I kinda like this but wasn't Tim fine in the interview?


Tim definitely shows signs that he's hiding something. Check out how nervous his voice is and how he fidgets with his hands. Remember, it was shortly after the interview that Masky first appeared.

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I'm certain because an Ark is a box where you keep important or secret things and the safe is essentially a box that contained information somebody didn't want Jay to have.


I'm with BioGuy, you're taking way too many speculations as established facts. In this context we have NO IDEA if the Ark is something that keeps important or secret things. Sure there's the Ark of the Covenant, but there's also Noah's Ark. It could be anything. For all we know it could be a MacGuffin. And do you honestly think that the safe would be the Ark after all this time? After all the mystery? That would be the most anticlimactic thing ever. Not to mention, why would TTA just casually let Jay find the combination?

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We find out in the newest that Masky is Tim. Alex is with Jay. They detain Tim but he obviously got away if he attacked Jay at the hotel. So where the f*ck did Alex go... AGAIN?

maybe alex is the ark????

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