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Character Speculation: Tim
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FossilizedSauce
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All very good points Camero, perceptive of you. Smile

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Riovas
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Camero wrote:
I'd say that Masky would HAVE to be an alternate personality of Tim's. Let's review the evidence:

-Despite the fact that he has "become" Masky by this point, Tim is able to participate in an interview with Jay in entry 15(number may be wrong). This suggests that he is able to act like a rational and coherent person at times.


Where are you getting that Tim was Masky at this point? We don't see Masky until a few entries later. Also, Tim's been seen taking pills to keep calm, so he could have very well popped some pills before the interview to remain calm.

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-Tim needs to be able to go to the grocery store to buy food. You can't do that in a mask, they'll think you're holding up the joint. Thus, in order for Tim to be alive, he needs to be able to go into a grocery store without his mask and without acting like a raving lunatic.


This could be said about a LOT of horror films/stories and can be often ignored/irrelevant. Maybe Tim stocked up on Spam before going crazy and never has to leave this dungeon. Also, again, pills.

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-Even after Masky has been revealed to be Tim, he continues to wear his mask. This suggests that it is not worn out of concealment, but perhaps because his "Masky" personality sees it as his "face"


decent point, but it's also theorized that masks limit the power of the operator. If you notice when the mask is about to be taken off, Tim starts a coughing fit, similar to Jay's coughing fit in Brian's house, or, to a greater extent, Seth collapsing in the basement of doom. So, Tim wear the mask out of necessity, not out of identity.

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-When Jay tries to unmask him in an earlier entry, and when Alex succeeds, watch Tim's reaction. The amount of rage he expresses doesn't seem to make sense if all he's angry about is his identity being revealed. Again, this suggests that the Mask is the "face" of his second personality.


Again, the rage is that with the mask lifted he is no longer defended from the operators power (according to the mask theory mentioned above), not so much of "changing identities." Also, I'd be pretty pissed myself if I was trying to keep my identity secret, just to have my target figure me out

I wouldn't say Masky HAS to be an alternate personality, but it is a possible scenario. I think you need other evidence for your theory, most notably that which can nullify the mask being a defense against the operator

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1) Tim would have to have already been Masky by the start of the series. Keep in mind that Jay is late to the party at the start--the filming has already happened, and the Operator shenanigans started in the past. Whether Tim wears the mask as protection or out of insanity, his reason for wearing the mask precedes Jay's first video post.

2) Given that this is a quasi-ARG, I think we are justified in considering how the characters live from day to day.

3) I have considered this possibility as well--whether the mask is a "shield" or a "face" is hard to say--either possibility is at least not implausible at this point. The fact we do know is that this mask is no longer being used for concealment. Tim=Masky is old news by now, so we can only conclude that Tim's PRIMARY reason for the mask was never concealment.

4) Only the first time that Tim is about to lose his mask is there any indication that the Operator might be nearby--when Alex takes it off there really isn't any distortion, as I recall. Though of course it's possible that Tim just assumes the Operator can show up any minute so he's always worried. However, if the mask is for protection, I'd expect the reaction to be one of fear, not anger.

In any case, I'll entertain the notion that the mask may provide some sort of protection against the Operator. If that's the case, this is the question that I would want to look through the entries for answers to:

Why does the mask protect Tim? The idea that it's made out of this series' equivalent of Kryptonite seems ridiculous. So it would seem most likely that it's not that SPECIFIC mask that protects Tim, but rather covering your face protects you. Supporting this would be the implications that Tim, early in the series, is bringing Jay near the operator every now and again--the Mask is allowing him to not have his own shit ruined. Against it is the recent entry in which all the Maskies turn tail and run when Operator shows up to defend(?) Alex.

However, it could be an interesting idea--the Operator himself lacks a face, so being unable to see yours somehow stops him from hurting you?

Whether the mask is a face or a shield, of course, need not be an either or situation--it could be that it both provides protection and that Tim has an irrational attachment to it.

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Camero wrote:

Why does the mask protect Tim? The idea that it's made out of this series' equivalent of Kryptonite seems ridiculous. So it would seem most likely that it's not that SPECIFIC mask that protects Tim, but rather covering your face protects you. Supporting this would be the implications that Tim, early in the series, is bringing Jay near the operator every now and again--the Mask is allowing him to not have his own shit ruined. Against it is the recent entry in which all the Maskies turn tail and run when Operator shows up to defend(?) Alex.



The mask may protect the wearer from the abilities that The Operator possesses or the side effects of being in The Operator's presence. However, that would not stop The Operator from jacking someone's crap up physically if he absolutely needed to. If The Operator needs Alex for whatever reason, I see no reason why The Operator would not resort to physical force if his abilities did not work on the two assaulting Alex.

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Camero wrote:
Why does the mask protect Tim? The idea that it's made out of this series' equivalent of Kryptonite seems ridiculous. So it would seem most likely that it's not that SPECIFIC mask that protects Tim, but rather covering your face protects you. Supporting this would be the implications that Tim, early in the series, is bringing Jay near the operator every now and again--the Mask is allowing him to not have his own shit ruined. Against it is the recent entry in which all the Maskies turn tail and run when Operator shows up to defend(?) Alex.


I agree with the above poster's suggestion that The Operator could very well still be a physical threat without his powers. On top of that if the mask does provide protection it may not be perfect protection or only protection from certain power(s) like induced amnesia. There is also the element of fear. The Operator is a truly terrifying being and even if you could somehow stand against it on even ground (which I very much doubt is possible) most likely your flight response would take over. I do agree that it probably doesn't function like kryptonite where in if you run up and slap The Operator with it he'll keel over like he is having an IBS fit.

Edit: By no means do I think this is the only possible reason why Tim still wears the mask. He could very well wear it for stylistic reasons, he could be crazy and wears it out of insanity, the mask could be a symbol of a group, religion or ideology, and finally, he could just be really stupid and think its still a great disguise.

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WhyYouBawwing
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I gotta stop by my local Michael's and get me some legit paranormal armor.

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Camero wrote:

Why does the mask protect Tim? The idea that it's made out of this series' equivalent of Kryptonite seems ridiculous. So it would seem most likely that it's not that SPECIFIC mask that protects Tim, but rather covering your face protects you. Supporting this would be the implications that Tim, early in the series, is bringing Jay near the operator every now and again--the Mask is allowing him to not have his own shit ruined. Against it is the recent entry in which all the Maskies turn tail and run when Operator shows up to defend(?) Alex.


Good question, and anything I would say in denfense would be purely speculation with no evidence or reasoning to back it up. But yes, its not the specific mask the protects since woodsy (or whatever we call the guy in entry 41) is obviously another player who is learning either from Tim or by trial and error. Also, Skully, although only seen briefly, is another mask that is used for some reason. It follows, to me, that even if the identity is known, if the face is not recognizable, then the operator cannot control them.

Karloff Vandergriff wrote:
I agree with the above poster's suggestion that The Operator could very well still be a physical threat without his powers. On top of that if the mask does provide protection it may not be perfect protection or only protection from certain power(s) like induced amnesia. There is also the element of fear. The Operator is a truly terrifying being and even if you could somehow stand against it on even ground (which I very much doubt is possible) most likely your flight response would take over. I do agree that it probably doesn't function like kryptonite where in if you run up and slap The Operator with it he'll keel over like he is having an IBS fit.



I agree with you and Camero that the masks aren't a cure all against the operator, otherwise there would not be as much fear as seen in entry 45. The masks may not prevent physical/mental damage, but at least they might prevent from being taken controlled of. Which is why I don't think that masky is an alternate personality. I think Tim is actually sane when he uses it, although the operator is still able to mess with his head a bit.

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Has anyone suggested here that Tim may not be as psychotic as his outword appearence may suggest? If I'm onto something here, then his first Masky debut in Entry #18 may have been nothing but a rough first impression.

I've heard words like "proxy" being associated with him over this past year, but I want to believe that he has a mind of his own.

I think that we'll have a clear view of his motives in tonight's entry, seeing as how dynamic Jay has made the unseen footage appear. Here's to hoping! Very Happy
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WhyYouBawwing wrote:
I gotta stop by my local Michael's and get me some legit paranormal armor.


I laughed way harder than I should at this

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I think we ought to pull a Phoenix Wright here and think outside the box. Razz

What I mean is, instead of trying to find evidence to find out whether the mask provides some sort of protection, we should try to find out why the mask provides protection. If we have some sort of theory to go on, it will be easier to find evidence that supports the specific theory.

Just throwing this out there--the Operator has no face, and masks prevent someone from seeing your face. Could there be a connection here?

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Camero wrote:
*snip* Could there be a connection here?


Oh yes, totally. In fact, this is one of the theories that's been tossed around about Timasky that I like the most. I'm not sure how airtight it is - keeping in mind that the mask has outlines on the eyes, nostrils, and lips, as well as drawn-on eyebrows, it still has facial elements.

That said, going on this outside of the box idea, WHY might the Masky mask and Hoody hood(s?) have facial features?

Going on that as well, presuming they aren't pro-Slendy but anti-Slendy, does the Mask/hood act as a repellant in that Slendy cannot look into the real true face of the person, but only see the vague, lifeless face of the mask/hood? [/random idea]
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Camero wrote:
I think we ought to pull a Phoenix Wright here and think outside the box. Razz

What I mean is, instead of trying to find evidence to find out whether the mask provides some sort of protection, we should try to find out why the mask provides protection. If we have some sort of theory to go on, it will be easier to find evidence that supports the specific theory.

Just throwing this out there--the Operator has no face, and masks prevent someone from seeing your face. Could there be a connection here?


This reminded me of a theory that I saw on here not too long ago and was something along the lines of The Operator somehow taking the victims bodies. This could explains Brian's, and even Seth's, disappearance in the first season.. So maybe keeping your face hidden from him prevents from him (ahem) "operating" you. If this is the case though, why didn't he kill of Jay in the weird basement? Why is he keeping Alex and Jay alive?
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hsemagliG wrote:
*snip* prevents from him (ahem) "operating" you


I've been following this series for a good year now and never once thought of 'Operator' in regards to a medical operation. Shocked Always assumed 'one who operates/controls' (i.e. a puppetmaster) or operator a la 'Dial 0 for Operator'.

I'm probably rare in that case, but DANG, that could be an interesting twist. Very Happy
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redherring wrote:
hsemagliG wrote:
*snip* prevents from him (ahem) "operating" you


I've been following this series for a good year now and never once thought of 'Operator' in regards to a medical operation. Shocked Always assumed 'one who operates/controls' (i.e. a puppetmaster) or operator a la 'Dial 0 for Operator'.

I'm probably rare in that case, but DANG, that could be an interesting twist. Very Happy


Well he does rearrange your organs.

however I think the other scenario, that he controls you is more likely.

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redherring wrote:
hsemagliG wrote:
*snip* prevents from him (ahem) "operating" you


I've been following this series for a good year now and never once thought of 'Operator' in regards to a medical operation. Shocked Always assumed 'one who operates/controls' (i.e. a puppetmaster) or operator a la 'Dial 0 for Operator'.

I'm probably rare in that case, but DANG, that could be an interesting twist. Very Happy


Glad you like the theory. I read something similar to thig about a week ago, while lurking, and basically went to town with it. Honestly, this could also explain the disappearance of Amy and Alex's sudden connection with our tall friend too..
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