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[pravado]

[SPEC] Season 1 theory thread

[punxtr]

Alex didn't run toward him, he ran away from him because he saw him on the other side of the fence. He eventually bumps into him again, and it freaks him out. He saw him twice, this info is key to debunking this silly theory.

[pravado]

[punxtr]

... he ran away from him back in the direction he came from, that way he's closer to his car and Jay. Scared people don't always run in the opposite direction of what's scaring them...

[pravado]

who doesn't run away from something they're scared of in the opposite direction?

i even rewatched the video

if alex sees slendy to the north, his car and jay are to his south and the building is to his northwest. he's running towards slendy away from his car/jay. when alex enters the area alone he starts walking north/northwest towards the building, giving away that he couldn't have came from the buildings direction

but ok, even if we go with your theory, his reaction shouldn't have been to run at all in that point in time since it took place during location scouting and that comes before filming the actual movie. in entry 12 alex doesn't seem bothered by slendy at all. it might just be a continuity error. either way, nothing about that disproves the theory

[stringbeanman]

I really dont want to sound like Im debunking anything, but how does this thread clear anything up?
This thread only seems to be the OPs theory, which could or could not be right.

/confused

[pravado]

idk if clearup was the right word choice. it's a thread for us to post our new theories about season 1 stuff in now that we have more information since the season 1 thread is basically dead

[McGregor]

I don't think 13 was one of the very first things to happen.

I feel like it goes: 5, 12, 2, 4, 10, 1, 6, then perhaps 13.

5 is obviously first since they are just location scouting.

12 would come next since Alex isn't aware that the operator is anyone out of the ordinary.

I think the events of 12 caused the operator to stalk him, and 2 would be just the beginning of it.

Alex continues searching after leaving his car and sees the operator in the park, in entry 4.

10 would be right after 4 and Alex is running away from him.

It's possible that 1 could be right after when Alex got home that night, or it could be several days later, who knows.

Right after 1 is 6.

Then 13 would come sometime after 6. Alex now has a fear of the operator, but not knowing he was anything supernatural, he thought he escaped and continued on with his movie. He sees the operator once again and high tails it on out of there.

Just my opinion. Not trying to say you're wrong or anything.

[Teedub]

I don't believe that there was any teleporting in Entry #43. I remember a lot of speculation about that during its thread, and if you're talking about when Alex enters the woods, I don't think it was teleporting. If you're talking about something other than that, I apologize.

[Randoman96]

Yet another helping of wisdom ....posts from pravado.

[Dray]

eta: Woah, lots of comments between mine and the OP! I'll edit this with replies/quotes if necessary once I'm done reading all of the new stuff!

Wait, the video cuts out a couple of times, so you can't assume that one direction and the other are linked... unless I'm missing something. It could be that he's running to the nearest form of shelter. They had to walk through woods to get to the building, I'm assuming, so it could be that Alex was moving away from the woods themselves.

And, though I know that this is not necessarily popular, I don't know if 13 is necessarily the first time that Alex encountered the Operator, as we see in season two the odd birthday entry, suggesting that this has been something that's haunted him since childhood.

I think it might be more relevant to take into consideration the canon and prolific mention of memory loss. For some reason, out in the woods in #13, Alex has an inkling of the Operator. In #12, it could be that he's suppressed that (or had it suppressed for him.) Given that #13 falls chronologically before #12, and that encounters with the Operator often lead to memory loss, it seems likely to me that by the time the events of #12 have rolled around, Alex doesn't remember whatever happened in #13.

At this point in time it doesn't seem as though he was filming himself, which could explain why he really does have no recollection of the events of #13.

Anyways, regarding your thoughts on Brian's house: Do you mean the crushed up papers on the floor? I suppose that that would make some sense. We do see that in Addition, Jay is being filmed before he goes up the stairs at all.

I feel that anything relating to Brian's house is more likely to revolve around Tim than Brian, if only because we have not had any canon reason to think that Brian is still alive. (I know that fans want him to still be around and that might colour some theories, but the only one that we've seen with frequency has been Tim!) Since Tim has been seen taking pills, it's likely that the blood would, then, be his if the trail leads from the sink to the pill bottle.

Regarding your idea that TTA is not linked to Masky/Tim... that is interesting. However, we see that Masky plays a part in Warning and in ######. One could argue that in Warning, Masky looks drugged or otherwise dazed, and could have been captured by TTA. However, in ######, he's clearly being shot just chilling and posing for the camera, and 'you will lead me to the ark' is clearly spoken. It could mean that Masky and TTA were on the same side all along (or were the same person) or if you want to reinterpret that to 'you will lead me, totheark', that Masky is joining TTA's cause...

Going on a bit of a tangent here, but discluding Brian and Seth for now, as the former gets little mention in Season 1 and the latter gets tackled in the bloody basement, presumably to his death or at least disappearance... TTA is probably either Tim or Alex. (I know, it could be anyone, including a time-travelled Jay or even the Operator mentally projecting this shit up on youtube himself! But bear with me!) If TTA is Alex, it would follow that Alex has been in this from the start and has been trying to lure Jay closer but keep him at arm's reach. Reaons for doing this could be as clear as him wanting to dislodge the Operator from himself onto Jay. They could be as foggy as for the same reason that Amy disappeared; whatever the case, we have seen that Alex is excellent at keeping tabs on Jay without Jay appearing to realize it (re: admitting to having delivered the tape from #26, his timely appearance in #35, his quick action in #47, and his attitude towards Jay as an unwitting bungler throughout,) so it seems possible that Alex, a film student known for his rather cheesy taste, could be behind the experimental stuff that we see in the TTA channel.

On the other hand, we have seen that Alex and Masky/Tim are hostile towards one another, and since we have so many clips of Tim appearing in the TTA videos, overlaid onto other images, or warped to barely resemble him, it seems unlikely that Alex would have these assets on hand. There is also the matter that the ripped pictures of Alex are overlaid with the code 'MUST DIE' in Fragments. That would mirror the hostility of the masked folks that we're seeing in the regular entries towards Alex specifically. To me, this points towards Tim being -- if not the one behind TTA, a person who is strongly involved with the person who's pumping those videos out.

So, spinning on our heels and going back to the original point, I don't think that Tim is against TTA; I think that there might be some weird business going on between himself and Alex (and whomever Hoodie might turn out to be -- I admit that here we could see the triumphal return of Brian or Seth -- or this person could be anyone ranging from Amy to Jessica to Jay himself, as we do see some suspicious behaviour from Jay in Season 1, disappearing after Masky has been around, waking up just after the mysterious 'I didn't post those' pictures at the beginning of Season 2... bah, tangent again!) ANYWAYS. I still think that it is difficult to say which side TTA is on, given that it has led Jay into danger with such frequency. But I think that Tim is probably behind TTA and Alex is behind his own little schemes; they are against one another, but they are both not quite on Jay's side, and perhaps not even quite on or against the Operator. There could be more factors at play here, such as that the Operator can take control of Alex (#43, #44); he could likely take control of Tim or other people. The mask could be a warding device or it could be symbolic, the same sort of thing as Alex's mad sharpie scribblings. Both Alex and Tim (and whomever the other masked person is) could be struggling against the Operator but also working for him from time to time. It could be that they know as much as Jay about what is happening to them -- that is, jack shit -- and are struggling to act as though they are in control regardless.

So, yet another long ramble short, I don't think it's really possible to clarify the events of Season 1 down to a simple white hat vs black hat scenario. It sucks, and I want to know what the fuck is going on, but I think that that's just the way it is.

Now, on to the house... I don't believe that time travel is a factor at play here. I think that what we're seeing is first-hand memory loss on the part of Jay's camera. Jay is 'teleporting', maybe, or perhaps he's getting stuck in between where he's coming from and where he's going for long enough periods of time that we can visibly see time passing. Alternately, he's being controlled (As we see in #24 and hints of in #19) so that he's turning his camera off and on again; he's going into a fugue of some kind and when he turns back on (similar to #27) he's doing whatever it was that he was doing last. In #23 we do see a strange frame of someone reaching for the camera when Jay is still upstairs, spliced in with the footage of him in the basement. It could be that someone was grabbing for the camera and deleting footage from the tapes before and and after the fact; it's hard to tell when Jay returns home with a broken camera and a bunch of confusing footage. Don't take for granted that the tape could not have been tampered with between when Jay went to the house and when he retrieved footage off of the tape (or video files from the camera, whatever. XD) for the sake of wanting to believe in time travel. We haven't seen anything that directly messes with time travel yet, but we have seen instances where TTA has shown random footage that is likely clipped out of Jay's tape stash.

I hope that covers everything so far! Regarding the Masky mask on the door, I feel as though it's up to speculation: it looks like it could have been left for Jay, but without explicit instruction it is just as likely meant to act as a cue for Jay to follow, such that he definitely doesn't miss the stairs he winds up going down.

[onetruepurple]

I'll never understand why does everyone think that #12 comes before #2. Is it not very obvious that it's the other way around?

[pravado]

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[TheSnack]

correct me if I'm wrong, but the story is linear. ALL videos play off of each other, as past events always affect future events.

Onetruepurple, I actually think it's INCREDIBLY up in the air which one comes first, 12 or 2. I always thought 12 comes first, just because A) it's part of the movie, Marble Hornets B) Alex hasn't bought his camera yet (I assume it's the girl's camera that they're using, seeing as Amy didn't know ANYTHING about Alex's camera in 26, and she probably knew about Alex's movie, seeing as, you know, they're dating and whatnot).

That's just my opinion though. I could be 100% wrong.