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Guest
Guest

bloody Automaton

I'm currently looking at

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all the single letters in Rule 169 because it's M^M

but I'm sure there has to be something that makes more sense. More hints, guys, please?

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:01 am

emergency
Guest

Re: bloody Automaton

Anonymous wrote:

I'm currently looking at

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all the single letters in Rule 169 because it's M^M

but I'm sure there has to be something that makes more sense. More hints, guys, please?

I, too, thought EM referred to M, the 13th letter.

It doesn't.

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169 is M^2, not M^M. A different operation on M and 2 will actually yield one of the soluble rules.

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:47 pm

being, having
Guest

Re: bloody Automaton

Anonymous wrote:

I'm currently looking at

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all the single letters in Rule 169 because it's M^M

but I'm sure there has to be something that makes more sense. More hints, guys, please?

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Each rule has a number. As someone earlier noted, there are 8 rules that produce the solution. Half of the "magic 8" numbers, as it turns out, have only 2 factors.

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:20 pm

kulo
Guest

My guess at the interpretation of em...

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1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Em_%28typography%29
2. 'em --> them so perhaps it may have something to do with the two letters that were omitted

Any close?

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:44 pm

Projectyl
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Joined: 08 Oct 2008
Posts: 124

"Em" has nothing to do with the solution. Not sure how that got started.

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Focus on the entire last sentence, not just the last word.

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:08 pm

Guesst
Guest

Automaton

I've been lurking this forum since early Thursday morning... Even after reading each and every hint posted about Automaton, I'm still missing something.

It's been said that once the right rule is found, the answer will be obvious. Can anyone expand on that a bit more?

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:23 pm

top-down feedback
Guest

Projectyl wrote:

"Em" has nothing to do with the solution. Not sure how that got started.

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Focus on the entire last sentence, not just the last word.

I disagree. EM certainly has something to do with the solution.

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Several rules will produce an EM; only a subset of all of those rules matter.

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:28 pm

annie
Guest

Automaton
I cannot see it!

I've been working on this since it was posted and I am at a total loss. I know I am overthinking it, but can someone give us another hint other then it's in the first 25 rules? I don't even know what I'm looking for anymore.

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:46 pm

Welkin
Boot

Joined: 26 May 2011
Posts: 14

Projectyl wrote:

"Em" has nothing to do with the solution. Not sure how that got started.

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Focus on the entire last sentence, not just the last word.

I'm guilty of starting it, because

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for the solution in the first 25, if you look at "em" as two letters...

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:23 pm

Welkin
Boot

Joined: 26 May 2011
Posts: 14

Re: bloody Automaton

being, having wrote:

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Each rule has a number. As someone earlier noted, there are 8 rules that produce the solution. Half of the "magic 8" numbers, as it turns out, have only 2 factors.

This hint actually significantly limits the number of rules you need to look at.

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After all, there are only 4 equivalent rule groups that have 8 members, and only 2 of these contain a member in the top 25.

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:28 pm

GeezeWhatsThatSmell
Guest

Automaton
Automaton

So once we know the correct rule,

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does the answer depend on the shape created (which is a well known pattern), the letters in the black boxes, or something else?

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:13 pm

tiv123
Greenhorn

Joined: 30 Jun 2011
Posts: 6

Automaton
TMT

There are two issues to be addressed when solving the Automaton puzzle - which rule set to use and how to interpret its results. I will post a few spoilers addressing each. Reading all of them should point you in the right direction, so you might not want to read them all at once before going back and trying it again on your own.

First spoiler - what is the clue in the introduction?

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"I love letters -- every single one of 'em... "

Second spoiler - how I did not interpret the clue.

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I completely ignored the word 'em. I read the sentence as "I love letters - every single one of them." In my interpretation I did not need to convert 'em to the letter M or some mathematical combination of the letters E and M.

Third spoiler - a strong clue to how to interpret the clue and find the right rule set.

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If I said "I love the days of the week - every single one of them" and you had to come up with a single integer based on that sentence - what number would you pick? Now use that logic on the clue sentence.

Fourth spoiler - clues on how to interpret the rule set results

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You only need to look at one rule set - you don't have to combine values from multiple rule sets.

You will only need to look at one set of colored boxes (either black or white - I won't say which here.)

You won't need to use all the letters in the rule set results - just enough in sequence to present a clearly logical word or phrase - after that it repeats itself.

Once you've found the right rule set and concentrated on the right subset of letters, the answer should present itself. I hope this helps some folks get unstuck.

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:21 pm

York05
Greenhorn

Joined: 29 May 2011
Posts: 6

Re: Automaton
TMT

tiv123 wrote:

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"I love letters -- every single one of 'em... "

Second spoiler - how I did not interpret the clue.

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Third spoiler - a strong clue to how to interpret the clue and find the right rule set.

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Fourth spoiler - clues on how to interpret the rule set results

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Once you've found the right rule set and concentrated on the right subset of letters, the answer should present itself. I hope this helps some folks get unstuck.

Yep this cleared up a lot. I had the right rule the first time but had a hard time seeing the answer. Thanks

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:40 pm

Riveran
Boot

Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 21
Location: Lansing, Michigan

Re: Automaton
TMT

York05 wrote:

tiv123 wrote:

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"I love letters -- every single one of 'em... "

Second spoiler - how I did not interpret the clue.

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Third spoiler - a strong clue to how to interpret the clue and find the right rule set.

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Fourth spoiler - clues on how to interpret the rule set results

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Once you've found the right rule set and concentrated on the right subset of letters, the answer should present itself. I hope this helps some folks get unstuck.

Yep this cleared up a lot. I had the right rule the first time but had a hard time seeing the answer. Thanks

Damnit. I feel stupid now. It was the first rule I looked at because I thought I saw a word, but I couldn't make sense of the rest of the letters... its just like the puzzly theorem..... bit of overthinking.... but I think one hint that was given before is misleading:

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if rule 0 counts as a rule, the result is within the first 26 rules, not 25

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:10 pm

Riveran
Boot

Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 21
Location: Lansing, Michigan

Re: Automaton
Automaton

GeezeWhatsThatSmell wrote:

So once we know the correct rule,

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does the answer depend on the shape created (which is a well known pattern), the letters in the black boxes, or something else?

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shape is irreliant. Your on to something with the rest of your theory

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:13 pm

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