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Cougar Draven
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persona wrote:

Wow. A really easy theorem this time, as well as a pretty easy (especially for 500 points) seal.

I actually agree there. Still took me 20 minutes, but that's far better than most have for me.

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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:27 am

Pwandz
Boot

Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Posts: 25
Location: Australie

Re: Hi, new here
new here

Gen Chaos wrote:

Pwandz wrote:

Have you managed to find the page where you can enter the answer to the Seal?

No.

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I've seen the hints about "right", and I'm assuming I have to scroll right, or find something on the right side of the screen that isn't anywhere else, am I correct?

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There's a hidden button on all of the TMT pages once you have logged in. Think North-West Wink

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:50 am

charonme
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Joined: 04 May 2011
Posts: 18

antisocial

it's only

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clicks

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very close together

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:57 am

tiv123
Greenhorn

Joined: 30 Jun 2011
Posts: 6

persona wrote:

Wow. A really easy theorem this time, as well as a pretty easy (especially for 500 points) seal.

I can't help but wonder if the comparative ease of this week's puzzle is in response to all the suspicion about how quickly the same group of folks keep solving the theorems. Kinda like throwing us a bone to shut us up. A LOT of folks solved this one in under a minute and they were not the usual group of quick-solvers.

And speaking of the usual suspects, I am curious to know how many of the "regulars" who routinely solve the theorems in a minute or two are part of M's old Columbia University followers that predate the current website? If so, then they might be pretty familiar with M's style of puzzles, which might help them recognize solution methods quicker than folks who first learned of M through the website.

I came across a website from the Columbia days that claimed that M consisted of a cabal of puzzle-lovers who came up with the brain teasers together. That led me to wonder if they rotate through who creates each week's puzzle rather than do it by committee - that might mean that one "M" creates the puzzle while the other 3 or 4 get to solve it alongside the rest of us. If that is the case then they would be well-qualified to solve each puzzle unbelievably quickly.

Or they could be space monkeys. I'm still working out the details of that particular theory.....

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:17 am

Gen Chaos
Greenhorn

Joined: 04 Jul 2011
Posts: 7

Re: Hi, new here
new here

Pwandz wrote:

Gen Chaos wrote:

Pwandz wrote:

Have you managed to find the page where you can enter the answer to the Seal?

No.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

I've seen the hints about "right", and I'm assuming I have to scroll right, or find something on the right side of the screen that isn't anywhere else, am I correct?

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

There's a hidden button on all of the TMT pages once you have logged in. Think North-West Wink

ah... ok. Now I can work on the puzzle part of it. Thanks!

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:16 am

Welkin
Boot

Joined: 26 May 2011
Posts: 14

tiv123 wrote:

persona wrote:

Wow. A really easy theorem this time, as well as a pretty easy (especially for 500 points) seal.

I've only made top 10 once, I think it was for Crayola one and I had the wiki page open ready...

I'd think a lot of it is anticipating what the puzzle is based on the name. Of course it's hard -- this week's I had a dozen Shakespeare pages ready ("Words, words, words", "literature" hints), but the puzzle was completely unrelated. =\

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:32 pm

Welkin
Boot

Joined: 26 May 2011
Posts: 14

Re: Anti social -- slow computer

Pairs Royale wrote:

I think we've found a five-click solution, but there's no way to tell because our old Mac won't take five clicks in 2 seconds. Can you tell us the js hack so we can "slow" the clock and submit our five-click solution?

If you know a bit of js and use firefox, get the fireBug plugin, which would allow you to redefine any js variable on the page. Look through the source code and you'll find a variable for the time limit.

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:34 pm

Riveran
Boot

Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 21
Location: Lansing, Michigan

Re: Anti social -- slow computer

Pairs Royale wrote:

Yet another Reason you should buy PC. Wink

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:03 pm

Pairs Royale
Guest

Re: Anti social -- slow computer

Welkin wrote:

Pairs Royale wrote:

Thanks -- that did the trick! Never touched js before -- but managed to figure enuf of it out after 40 mins of playing with firebug to slow the clock ... M is expanding our minds, although possibly not in the way that was intended.

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:29 pm

i palindrome i
Guest

anti-social disorder
it's not hard enough to seek a workaround

Anti-social took me just a few minutes to crack in the fashion that M intended.

I don't get why people are resorting to JS tampering, when the "elegant" solution is so relatively discernible in this case . . . and so early, too. It hasn't even been a week!

I guess we have a lot of Patriots fans in the group.

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:43 am

cheh
Guest

Re: anti-social disorder
it's not hard enough to seek a workaround

i palindrome i wrote:

Some people just don't bother to read the entire posts before so eagerly jumping to insult others.

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:31 am

i palindrome i
Guest

i love to read

Cheh -

Who? Moi? Surely you can't be talking to me. I've read this whole thread from beginning to end (all 42 pages); while perhaps I haven't grasped the author's intent behind every jot and tittle, I surely have grasped a good portion of the gist.

Furthermore, I would hardly classify my response as "eager". I thought it through and then even measured my decision to click before submitting it. Call it insulting if you will; I guess I don't mind if you construe my critique of people using programming hacks to "solve" the puzzles as an "insult" - those techniques are in my estimation far worse form than me calling them out in the fashion I did. Whether or not the puzzle can be solved straightfowardly in a rather simple fashion, the matter of meddling with the js code strikes me as decidedly poor gamesmanship and for what? 500 pts?!? Monopoly money?

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:18 pm

Cheh
Guest

Re: i love to read

i palindrome i wrote:

You criticize others for not solving the puzzle in the way M had intended, but what did M intend? Super fast clicking? M himself said he doesn't care for brute force and is hoping people would find the "elegant" (I.e. fewest number of clicks) solution. If you had really read Paris's post instead of making assumptions about others in the worst light, you'd know that he had already found the elegant solution.

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:53 pm

Cheh
Guest

And if you posted while knowing Paris and others had the right solution but still needed some extra time to make the right clicks, then your critique amounts to that people should not be awarded for only completing the intellectual part of the puzzle but failing the physical part because of imperfect hardware or eye-hand coordination. For a puzzle site like TMT, somehow I really doubt M would agree with you.

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:01 pm

i palindrome i
Guest

who is paris?
who is paris?

Cheh -

First, I know what I said. You don't need to keep quoting me - all of this quoting everyone keeps doing is making this thread cumbersome and unwieldy to navigate.

Secondly, who is Paris? You criticize me for not reading other people's posts and then you can't even get the name right of the person you have taken it upon yourself to defend. And why do you think Pairs Royale is a male?

Finally, I think you are overthinking the proximity of my comment to Pairs' post to mean that I was specifically targeting him/her (when, again, I didn't actually quote anyone). My issue was not specifically with Pairs Royale at all, but with the rather open conversation about using js hacks to solve puzzles, which I do believe is outside of the spirit of gamesmanship (whether its M's idea of gamesmanship or not is beside the point). And you speak to M's intent (which I never was so presumptuous to have claimed to have spoken for), but was it not M who constructed the theorem with the 2 second time limit? Do you think that was done gratuitously?

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:08 pm

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