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Ethan = Ryan Emerson... (Dina=Sylvia?, Caesar=Jesse?)
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bakntime
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 		Ethan = Ryan Emerson... (Dina=Sylvia?, Caesar=Jesse?)
Is there any doubt at this point that Ethan = Ryan Emerson?

Ethan gets the letter with the various locations on it. It's in his handwriting, but he doesn't recoginze it. Dina confirms it's his handwriting. We then find out about the "CDs" that contain Ryan Anderson's personal "stuff", along with a letter telling someone to scan everything for him, in the SAME HANDWRITING, and it's signed "-R", obviously for Ryan Anderson.

Did Ryan lose his memory or get reporgrammed and he now thinks that he's Ethan?

In my opinion it has to be one or the other. Why else would he not recognize his own note? And how about the mysterious guy who (what was that guy's name again?) who knows Ethan but Ethan doesn't know him?

This leads to further questions... Has Dina been "reprogrammed" too? It sure seems like it...

On the "Emerson CD", there is a marriage certificate that says

Quote:

Ryan Stephen Emerson of Redland Washington

Sylvia Michelle [something] of Redland Washington


Is Dina really Sylvia? Is Jesse their son? Does Jesse = Caesar?

AHHHHH!!!!

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 		Yeah, I think you're right. It kinda stinks because I loved the Nekodas = Averys idea...but we were on the right track, we just hadn't met the right missing couple yet. The main flaw I saw with that theory was that the Averys were divorced, and the Nekodas are very happily married...so this theory clears up that little problem.

Caesar could very easily be Jesse, in parallel to the Caesar = Avery Jr. theory. If that's true...then have we not gotten any word on the Averys' son besides Beth's mention of him? Strange. Maybe he's Random...hehe, that was out of nowhere, btw, I just think it would be cool if Avery's son and Jesse got together and compared notes to find their missing parents...

I wonder if Beth knew the Emersons. Ryan worked at the company that had been hired to work on the Aquapolis... I wonder what he found out that made them "erase" him...

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 		Plus Ryan Emerson seems to travel all over the US...city to city, just like ethan

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 		Re: [SPEC] Ethan = Ryan Emerson?... (Dina=Sylvia?)
bakntime wrote:
Ethan gets the letter with the various locations on it. It's in his handwriting, but he doesn't recoginze it. Dina confirms it's his handwriting. We then find out about the "CDs" that contain Ryan Anderson's personal "stuff", along with a letter telling someone to scan everything for him, in the SAME HANDWRITING, and it's signed "-R", obviously for Ryan Anderson.

Did Ryan lose his memory or get reporgrammed and he now think that he's Ethan?

I think you're on the right lines, but you could take it a step further.

Not only did Ryan Emerson "lose" his memory, but he knew it was going to happen.

He left key pieces of information about his life in several places and then wrote a note indicating where they would be.

He left the note at his usual bar in the safe keeping of a barman who knew him. The Barman returned the note to him almost as if previously instructed to.

He may even have left vague instructions with the guy who pointed him to the bar.
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 		Re: [SPEC] Ethan = Ryan Emerson?... (Dina=Sylvia?)
bakntime wrote:
And how about the mysterious guy who (what was that guy's name again?) who knows Ethan but Ethan doesn't know him?


Some good ideas there, if thats not it (or close) then id like to see what it really is, coz these theories dont look like theories anymore, they look like they cud be plain and simple fact.

About the mysterious guy...do you mean Todd Rogan? (at least I think thats his name)

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Not only did Ryan Emerson "lose" his memory, but he knew it was going to happen.

He left key pieces of information about his life in several places and then wrote a note indicating where they would be.


Agreed. He was safeguarding and leaving clues for his Total Recalled self to find that would lead him to discover who he really is - or was. I wonder if Ethan has found one of the CDs yet.

And what did he do that forced his reprogramming? What did they see? And why wasn't Jesse reprogrammed, too, why was he left alone, orphaned?

The plot thickens...

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 		Don't know how or if this is related...

It's been talked about a little bit before, that the word Nekoda means "painted" or "inconsistant"... That would make sense if Dina and Ethan have been reprogrammed: They're "painted" people - not "real"...

Also, the Columbia Encyclopedia gives this info on Nekoda:
http://www.bartleby.com/65/ne/Nekoda.html
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Nekoda
(nk´d) (KEY) , name of two families who returned from the Exile


Interesting.... If the Nekodas=Emerson idea is true, then essentially Dina and Ethan are in exile. From what? Not sure, but I'm guessing Ryan/Ethan found out too much about Murpha/MetaCortex or something and somebody had him reprogrammed.

Perhaps their name "Nekoda" is foreshadowing to what will happen to them: They will return from exile.

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bakntime wrote:
Interesting.... If the Nekodas=Emerson idea is true, then essentially Dina and Ethan are in exile. From what? Not sure, but I'm guessing Ryan/Ethan found out too much about Murpha/MetaCortex or something and somebody had him reprogrammed.


Well, Murpha has been working on some aspects of the Aquapolis project, right? And I think we can all agree that there is definitely something strange going on there... so I'd be willing to bet that Ryan had been working on that particular project, or at least that what he had found out was related to the Aquapolis....or its AI. These ideas are probably all connected together - Metacortex is doing something strange with its AI program, and that's the same AI program that handles safety in the Aquapolis...(?)

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 		I have not yet been as confused by the plot as I am now.

How can Caesar be Jesse? Caesar hosts "theyaremissing", and we think that he is looking for them because they are his parents. However, theyaremissing are most likely Averies.

Somebody did this, at which point, I think, most of us became convinced that heismissing = Avery.

Then there was October 9 update in MLO's metadex. To me, it clearly talks about Avery – the Zurich trip at the same time at which James was going to Zurich. But what really seals the deal for me on James being heismissing is Beth's comment "he had an entire folder on James", followed by e-mail about James, his ex-wife, and their son.

Then MLO meets with Dimitri to ask him about James (that "?" does not mean that Dimitri is James, as Beth saw that person, and if he was James, she surely would have recognized him and flipped out). Dimitri gives Marcus a bunch of pictures of heismissing, and a note (cannot thank chancesend enough) from somebody's son asking for help. (Notice that that note DOES NOT have to be addressed to MLO.)

So heismissing = James, Caesar's father. Yet Ethan = Ryan, and Dina thinks she used to have a son (probably Jesse).

But where does that leave Avery and his ex-wife and son? First, it is still unclear to me when Avery became missing – January 2003 or 2002 (so far the last (and the only) communication from Ryan is from January 2003); I wish we had the date on sheismissing's receipt. I mean, theyaremissing can't be both Averies AND Emersons, can they??? And if they can't, then we are one kid short.
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yanka wrote:

First, it is still unclear to me when Avery became missing – January 2003 or 2002



CEO James Avery retired 5th Jan 2003
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Insomniac wrote:
yanka wrote:

First, it is still unclear to me when Avery became missing – January 2003 or 2002



CEO James Avery retired 5th Jan 2003


I thought it wasn't clear whether it was 2003 or 2002 though...

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Marauder wrote:
Insomniac wrote:
yanka wrote:

First, it is still unclear to me when Avery became missing – January 2003 or 2002



CEO James Avery retired 5th Jan 2003


I thought it wasn't clear whether it was 2003 or 2002 though...




Got info from here
http://www.bole.ca/matrix/allDates.php
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Insomniac wrote:
yanka wrote:

First, it is still unclear to me when Avery became missing – January 2003 or 2002



CEO James Avery retired 5th Jan 2003


I know. Here are my arguments for "why Avery might have been missing for a full year before his 'resignation' date". Mainly, I think that "luggage aband.", which is dated 01/02 (MLO's Oct. 9 update) is the date of Avery's disappearance. I guess it could be 01/02/03 - Avery's return from Zurich (and then retirement is announced on the 5th, after he is already missing).

The question is: can Avery/heismissing = Ethan/Ryan? If not, then I don't think Caesar could be Ryan's/Ethan's kid.
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 		Oh! Yanka, you make very good points. This is ridiculously confusing. I just had a thought (just one, lol)...

1. Scratch posts his "mysterious image"...with the sky pic from thenekodas.com in it
2. Caesar responds with something like "where did you get that pic? we need to talk in RL"...etc.
3. Scratch calls Caesar "orphan punk" and implies over and over that he has tracked Caesar's trail and has discovered his family history, which is the reason why they are following the whomps.

Meaning that Caesar's mysterious goal is linked with the Nekodas.

So...for me, this cemented the idea that the Nekodas = the Averys because
1. Caesar hosts s/heismissing
2. We know that s/heismissing are the Averys
3. Caesar gets upset about Scratch having the Nekodas pic
4. The fact that Scratch has the pic implies that he has found the Nekodas site and read through it, and that he has presumably drawn some connections between the Nekodas and Caesar


So...my conclusion from all this is that I'm totally and completely confused now. Leaving aside who Jesse is, who on earth is Caesar searching for? Answering that would tell us whether or not he is Jesse... He is searching for the s/heismissing couple, yet he seems to be linked to the Nekodas as well. WTF is going on?

Are we confused because the two couples are actually one and the same? I haven't the faintest idea how that could work, but I do know that every time I start spec-ing on this, I inevitably get the two of them mixed up. There are way too many interconnections for them to be unrelated. I'm not willing to bet anything on that, btw...it probably just shows how totally lost I am, if anything... Question Confused Question

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 		I was very confused on how Jesse could be Caesar. I didn't really understand that at all. Where's the facts?

I can see how Ethan/Ryan Dina/Sylvia could exist, what with that Ross fellow knowing Ethan, and the new data that came from that cd...but them being the Avery couple? Nah. It's a bit too far-fetched.

But as it stands..this is waaaaay too confusing.

And whatever happened to Phillip Gaiden and Stone Jeffreys being the same person?

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