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Marble Hornets vs. TribeTwelve
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Randoman96
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AngryDeepground wrote:
I have a feeling that when troseph finishes MH, they will not continue with slendy. Troy said he has 1 year of college left right. With the mild popularity he's gained he will probably work on real films next.
They announced on Troy's blog that when MH is over (or between seasons, whatever they want to do), they're doing a comedy series.
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I just ran through all of TribeTwelve (so far) yesterday and I actually quite like it.
For now, I'm saying I like Marble Hornets more but I think TribeTwelve has plenty of potential to top it.

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Randoman96 wrote:
AngryDeepground wrote:
I have a feeling that when troseph finishes MH, they will not continue with slendy. Troy said he has 1 year of college left right. With the mild popularity he's gained he will probably work on real films next.
They announced on Troy's blog that when MH is over (or between seasons, whatever they want to do), they're doing a comedy series.


It would be epic if the comedy series was a slender man parody.

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i just read 8 pages of people complaining about Noah cursing too much... then i thought... why Jay doesn't swear? the answer? Jay doesn't speak...

admit it, we know about Jay throug twitter, and the messages on the entries, but we rarely hear him speak, while Noah is more a talkative character therefore we hear him speak and then curse...

i was thinking, if there were a microphone inside Jay's head im sure we'll hear a lot of cursing... i think that the swearing is only a superficial differences

i also admit that the cursing of Noah is a little bit exagerated, but.. none is perfect

also someone said before that Jay is kinda robotic, i msut agree to that, in some ocations it's difficult relate to jay... while noah is too... beligerant i think that also causes dificulties in the empathy sector....

any thoughts about this?

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I think the problem with Noah is not so much that he swears a lot, but that the only swear word he seems to know is "fuck" or some variation thereof. And while it may be realistic, in a cinematic sense, realistic is not always a good idea. It is realistic for a person, to, uh, well, pause, um, a lot, while, uh, they talk, and, uh, kinda, fill the conversation, with, um, uh, dead air. This is a bad thing to put in a movie/book unless you're going for a verbal tic, in which case it needs to be handled very well or everyone is going to hate the character with that tic.

As for that acting, quite frankly, I think it's why the audio was removed from a lot of the early MH entries. They realized they weren't the best actors in the world, so while they worked to improve their craft, they scared the crap out of us with images alone, which worked very very well. And while I wouldn't call the acting in either series "stellar" I think MH has a slight edge. The first few submissions of Tribe Twelve can be painful to watch, although it does get better.

I would say, like many others, the only thing Tribe Twelve really has an edge on right now over MH is special effects. 'Cause good God those tentacles are scary.

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Edit: OH GOD WHY DO I TYPE SO MUCH??! Shocked Sorry!

faktorkhaos wrote:
i just read 8 pages of people complaining about Noah cursing too much... then i thought... why Jay doesn't swear? the answer? Jay doesn't speak...

admit it, we know about Jay throug twitter, and the messages on the entries, but we rarely hear him speak, while Noah is more a talkative character therefore we hear him speak and then curse...

i was thinking, if there were a microphone inside Jay's head im sure we'll hear a lot of cursing... i think that the swearing is only a superficial differences

i also admit that the cursing of Noah is a little bit exagerated, but.. none is perfect

also someone said before that Jay is kinda robotic, i msut agree to that, in some ocations it's difficult relate to jay... while noah is too... beligerant i think that also causes dificulties in the empathy sector....

any thoughts about this?


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Sometimes, Jay is hard to relate to, I will agree there. I also know a number of people like Jay who aren't really into putting themselves 'out there' too much. There's a part of me that's like that too, which might be why I relate to him in some ways.

Then there's Noah. He's also hard to relate to, but for a different reason. He's a robot in a more 'Futurama' way than he is in a '2001 A Space Odyssey' kind of way, in that he's crass, out there, and not afraid to be kind of a belligerent ass. That can be off-putting to some. But, in the same way that I relate to some of Jay's more reclusive and paranoid tendencies, I think a lot of people relate to Noah's more visible and public way of dealing with his issues.

The thing is, these characters have 'archetypes' (the quiet one, the angry one) but they're nuanced. We've seen Jay get pissed off (especially more so lately with Alex) and we've seen him reach out - hell, he's even spoken a few times to us directly on camera. Those who follow TT have also seen Noah get kind of frightened, not in the 'Oh I'ma stab a bush and be all badass because I'm overcompensating' frightened, but legitimately freaked out. Sure, he still cusses like a sailor, but it's when shit really gets deep, when he's seeing this whole situation and going 'Oh fuck... fuck I don't think I can fucking deal with this... fuck...'

(Also just putting this out there, keep in mind too, for all who have noted a lack of the F-Bomb in MH, that it isn't totally devoid of cursing - Alex notably has dropped a fair share of damns, hells, goddamns, and christs when he's been around.)

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Since this was posted before I posted my reply:

Star Kindler wrote:
I think the problem with Noah is not so much that he swears a lot, but that the only swear word he seems to know is "fuck" or some variation thereof. And while it may be realistic, in a cinematic sense, realistic is not always a good idea. It is realistic for a person, to, uh, well, pause, um, a lot, while, uh, they talk, and, uh, kinda, fill the conversation, with, um, uh, dead air. This is a bad thing to put in a movie/book unless you're going for a verbal tic, in which case it needs to be handled very well or everyone is going to hate the character with that tic.

As for that acting, quite frankly, I think it's why the audio was removed from a lot of the early MH entries. They realized they weren't the best actors in the world, so while they worked to improve their craft, they scared the crap out of us with images alone, which worked very very well. And while I wouldn't call the acting in either series "stellar" I think MH has a slight edge. The first few submissions of Tribe Twelve can be painful to watch, although it does get better.

I would say, like many others, the only thing Tribe Twelve really has an edge on right now over MH is special effects. 'Cause good God those tentacles are scary.


Yeah, the whole overuse of 'fuck' thing is what I was poking fun at above (that, even when he's beside himself, he'd still say 'fuck' about seven times a sentence).

I'd have to disagree a little bit about TT's only edge being the effects. They're definitely the biggest edge TT has over the other series, but I do think there's a level of interactivity/ARG-y-ness that TT accomplishes that strikes a balance between MH's notable lack of ARG qualities and EMH's shit ton of ARG elements. Although I haven't sat in on the web cam chats or gone too deep into TT, I enjoy that those things are there. It makes you feel a lot closer to the story when you can, in some small ways, affect it.

In fact, I was just reading a GameSpot article on ARGs yesterday that addressed that same thing. Although it was more about the videogame-related marketing ARGs that started the genre off (The Beast, I Love Bees, etc.) it noted that a big selling point of ARGs and why they're so beloved is that people instinctually like being immersed in the games, getting to 'play someone else' for a day. Even if we're not Slenderstalked, when we interact with those who 'are' it can make us feel like we're solving the mystery with them. TT doesn't go too deep into that, but also isn't afraid to try it out and keep at it when it works.

Just to dissolve any possible bickering here too, I'm not totally knocking MH for not embracing the ARG qualities of their series. I bring this up almost every time I discuss MH vs. other SlenderARGs (in fact, if you see my multiple previous posts on this thread, you'll probably see it in every one of them). I love what MH does, and when it comes down to it, I think MH takes the cake over the other series. That said, I think that some things it doesn't indulge in are awesome, and I appreciate the other series that do them. Very Happy
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I get what you're saying, redherring. TT is much more ARGlike than MH is. Point of fact, I've never really considered MH an ARG really. I've viewed it more along the lines of a TV series that we would all gather together and geek out over and come up with insane theories about. So, yes, point to TT for integrating ARG elements better.

And, y'know, it's true, I used to watch EMH but I did get a bit overwhelmed with all the extra stuff. I've been thinking about archive binging and picking it up again since it just had a full blown crossover with TT, though.

I think, in the end, it's more a factor if each series is doing what it intended to do and if it is doing it well. I've seen Roger Ebert write about this, how he might give a dumb action movie a better rating than a serious work, because the dumb action movie is good at being a dumb action movie but the serious work is not good at being a serious work. MH is good at being a cinematic experience with slight ARG elements. TT is better with the ARG elements, but I don't think it's execution of it's overreaching story and experience is as good as MH is. However, who knows, TT may surprise us in the end, the last entry was ominously good (Slendy on an airplane just got added to my list of nightmares...).

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Star Kindler wrote:
*snip* I think, in the end, it's more a factor if each series is doing what it intended to do and if it is doing it well. I've seen Roger Ebert write about this, how he might give a dumb action movie a better rating than a serious work, because the dumb action movie is good at being a dumb action movie but the serious work is not good at being a serious work. MH is good at being a cinematic experience with slight ARG elements. TT is better with the ARG elements, but I don't think it's execution of it's overreaching story and experience is as good as MH is. However, who knows, TT may surprise us in the end, the last entry was ominously good (Slendy on an airplane just got added to my list of nightmares...).


Everything here is a tl;dr for what I've been trying to point out. Thank you for making it very easy to understand - I tend to be a bit on the 'wordy' side. Razz (Roger Ebert reference is great, too - I love his approach, and it relates well here).
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Star Kindler wrote:
(Slendy on an airplane just got added to my list of nightmares...).


I've had it with all these motherfucking Slendies on this motherfucking plane.

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wait oh my god i can still reply


mh was good

tribetwelve is good

mh is dead


i see no comedy series

greetings from the future

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What has happened here.
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I've watched some of Tribe Twelve lately, and I enjoy some of it. That being said, there is no comparison with Marble Hornets simply because the two are fundamentally different series. Marble Hornets was more focused on the horror aspect. It was very nihilistic, with the general sense of being doomed no matter what. There was one exception to this rule in the entire series, and you all know what entry I'm talking about. Even now, assuming the best interpretation of the final entry, Tim is going to go back to his old life, or something similar: namely, he'll be a somewhat functional but severely depressed person with no friends who might be into self harming and, oh yeah, there's a faceless monster in the background. That will be his life in the best ending.

Tribe Twelve is different. It, along with Everyman Hybrid and Dark Harvest, seems more interested in building a mythology around the Slenderman than it is in outright horror (although TT and EMH definitely know how to do horror, no question about that). And there is a possibility that good might, despite the odds, triumph over evil. Marble Hornets doesn't have a Dr. Corenthal or a Firebrand coming to save you. These lines would look completely out of place in Marble Hornets:

"I know in the deepest of my heart they cannot beat us. I'm still here, you're still here, we're kicking and screaming."

"So the game isn't over, Noah. I'm on your side. Together we can destroy the Collective. I have seen the [future?] and it is beautiful."

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I think MH wins because of TTA, hands down. The original proxy channel that creeped everyone the fuck out because it was scary thanks to how disturbing it was to watch sometimes.

TT loses because of his connection to EMH, in my opinion, he should've stayed away from that, he didn't need the other channel's plug it was a great series before HABIT started appearing in the videos, and it still is but it's just one of those decisions that makes you think what they were planning with that.

Also the amount of F-bombs in TT, it's ok like 3 times in a video, when it happens 15 times it becomes childish and comedic

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"Everything is fine" vs. "I'm going to shove it so far up your ass, you'll never get it out!"

Marble Hornets is better. But it's not a winner. Just a less awful loser.

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