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Evidence of The Operator being an antagonist?
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Randoman96
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Evidence of The Operator being an antagonist?

Don't know if this deserves a thread or not, or if this has already been found. If so, disregard this entirely.

In 26, Amy freaks the hell out, but why? Yes, The Operator is standing right there and there is a probable chance she doesn't know what he is, but why does she freak out and supposedly fall down the stairs?

She turns the corner, to see The Operator. She screams, and then we see an image of the stairs, from outside the handrails, which would imply she's being held above the stairs.

Just a few frames later, she's back on the stairs, Alex getting up to help her. What you might notice here is that she turned a corner from the couch Alex was on to see the Operator. Now, she is on a staircase, presumably with the Operator at the top.

A few frames later, she appears to have rotated slightly, with Alex attempting to get her.

Then, it appears as if she's been pulled up the staircase, and into the hallway the Operatorwas in.

The next visable frame is a shot of the Operator's legs.

Then, we're facing the hallway the Operator is standing in, but the staircase is gone. Alex and Amy are trying to go through a window.






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awakeasaurusrex
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I always interpreted that bit as the Operator yanking Amy up the stairs at a nigh-impossible speed.

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BoatWithAHoleInIt
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I interpreted it as...her tripping down and getting up. I don't know what more it could be >_>

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BoatWithAHoleInIt wrote:
I interpreted it as...her tripping down and getting up. I don't know what more it could be >_>


This.

Also, The Operator is a nine-foot tall paranormal entity. Simply being in his presence seems to cause sickness, madness, seizures, etc.

Sounds like an antagonist to me.

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Randoman96
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I figured he was an antagonist already, but some people question it.

But I don't think she's falling down. She was outside the staircase. Not to mention the fact that I don't think that if she was already at the bottom, she would go back up to shake hands with the Operator.

Also not to mention the fact that the stairs apparently disappear...
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I'm a bit confused by what your post is trying to say. How is Amy being on some stairs proof that Slendy is a protagonist? If you could please elaborate a bit on that.

I watched the part with Amy going up the stairs a lot, because I couldn't tell if she was being dragged up them, or just running up them. I'm pretty sure she was on the first floor when the Operator came about, and then she ran up the stairs to get to safety. As soon as she sees good ol' Slendy, the camera is no longer an indicator of which way she is facing, because her primary motive is to run away, not to film everything. That's why you get some weird views while she runs up those stairs. If she were being dragged, she'd be screaming instead of panting, and the camera would be thrashing about wildly as she tries to get away.

Anyways, the point I'm trying to make is, I thought Amy ran upstairs because there was a scary guy in her house? That's exactly what I would try to do if I were startled by a home invasion.

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Well, who knows what caused the head bleeding in #14.
And even so, if he isn't an antagonist and his objectives are positive, his presence causes side effects, and people just want to run away from him.

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Leamony wrote:
I'm a bit confused by what your post is trying to say. How is Amy being on some stairs proof that Slendy is a protagonist? If you could please elaborate a bit on that.


The post isn't asking the question "Is he REALLY the antagonist" but rather "I think this is evidence of him being an antagonist."

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ChellaPopper
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OOG, potentially immersion breaking stuff in spoiler:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Radio Interview 3/5, ~1:00, he is said to be the "tall antagonist".


Also first post. Razz

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Randoman96
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Leamony wrote:
I'm a bit confused by what your post is trying to say. How is Amy being on some stairs proof that Slendy is a protagonist? If you could please elaborate a bit on that.

I watched the part with Amy going up the stairs a lot, because I couldn't tell if she was being dragged up them, or just running up them. I'm pretty sure she was on the first floor when the Operator came about, and then she ran up the stairs to get to safety. As soon as she sees good ol' Slendy, the camera is no longer an indicator of which way she is facing, because her primary motive is to run away, not to film everything. That's why you get some weird views while she runs up those stairs. If she were being dragged, she'd be screaming instead of panting, and the camera would be thrashing about wildly as she tries to get away.

Anyways, the point I'm trying to make is, I thought Amy ran upstairs because there was a scary guy in her house? That's exactly what I would try to do if I were startled by a home invasion.



How exactly do you get a shot of someone standing in a hallway at the top of the stairs, from the bottom of the stairs, and then somehow appear outside of the stairs?
And it seems like a bit of an overreaction. Of course everyone is scared, but nobody's flipped their shit before.

Also, I said earlier, I KNOW he is the antagonist, this is mostly just a "weird find" and evidence for people who say he may not be
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She didn't get dragged anywhere, except maybe back down the stairs.

Amy sees Slender, and immediately turns to run. In a panic, she holds onto the camera, but lets it swing with her arm because she's fleeing from a nine-foot faceless horror. She flees upstairs, but Slender's already there. The camera goes dark, so it's impossible to know whether she runs back down, or falls. Either way, she ends up on the first floor again, with Alex telling her to GTFO via the window.

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Antagonist is a literary term, I think the question you're trying to get at is: "is he a villian?" There is no way that he could possibly NOT be an antagonist, as his actions, intentionally or not, make life difficult for our protagonist (Jay) and presumed secondary protagonist (Alex). An antagonist simply causes dramatic tension and adds resistance to the plot*, in a movie following Hitler, the Allies would be the antagonists, despite it being likely that Hitler is still the VILLAIN. The terms aren't related, except for the fact that the protagonist is the hero statistically most often. Now, is he evil? That's the more interesting question, and my feelings are that no, he's not a villain. He doesn't seem to usually be an active participant, his presence makes things go to hell, but so far I've been presented with a lack of INTENT. I feel he's about as evil as a rock that falls on you, yeah, it caused something really bad to happen, but it didn't mean to.

* To make this even more clear, a character can move from Antagonist to Protagonist without even changing his side or motivation, all that has to change is the information the audience is given. If he's trying to help Jay, he's still the antagonist from entry 1 to now, it's just that after the episode where it's revealed, he's a protagonist even if he does nothing different than he did from 1-37.

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Leamony
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I just now caught that I said protagonist earlier, when I meant antagonist... Eh heh... Sorry.

When Amy begins talking to Alex, she is on the ground floor. I know this because they are in a room with a big couch, which must mean that they were in some sort of living room. Living rooms are on the first floor. Also, who would move a couch of that size up a flight of stairs? Even in pieces, it would be a pain. They are on the first floor.

When she turns around and sees Slendy, he is also on the ground floor. Slendy is just peeking out around a corner, there are no stairs in the frame at all.

Amy runs away from Slendy, possibly even through that door right there. She runs to the stairs, which is how we get a shot from outside the stairs.

I don't think Amy went back downstairs. It looks to me like she ran through whatever room Slendy is entering at the end. You can even see that blue thing (that looks vaguely like a bed) pass through the screen for a frame or two. So I'm pretty sure that the final shot is from the second floor, but I can't be positive.


Anyways, Slendy is a scary creepy thing, and bad things happen to those around him. He's not much of a good guy.

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loboguerrero
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When Amy is talking to Alex, they are in the living room, on the first floor. To her left is the hallway that the Operator is seen in. Behind her is a staircase.

She turns to her left to put the camera back, sees the Operator, freaks out, turns left more, and sprints up the stairs, with Alex close behind. They go into a room upstairs, and as they're going out the window, she looks back and sees the Operator again.

At least, that's what I've always seen when I've watched the video.

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I always interpreted Entry #26 as the Shaky-Cam Anthem.

And if Slenderman wasn't an antagonist, he just wants a friend, why would he burn down someone's apartment, apparently rip someone to shreds(#29), cause head bleeding, and the disappearance of five people.

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