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Theory - The Operator is quite, actually, really evil
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TheCrimsonKnight
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 		Theory - The Operator is quite, actually, really evil
He turned Alex against the others. And vice-versa.
Ok, bear with me.
We know the Operator has been following Alex since youth. Why, reasons unknown yet. Maybe someone close to him was also stalked by him. Maybe bad luck. But we know this relationship has been going on for quite a while.
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Years later, Alex records Marble Hornets, and captures Slendy in some of the takes while everyone else didnīt recognize him being there (except in Entry #12, where they seemed to think he was just a normal person).
Alex was stalked by Slendy, we see him running away and sheltering from him, unsuccesfully.
Then, something happened. Something lets Alex know a way out of being constantly stalked by him: finding a replace. Bringing people to the Operator.
Entry #51 shows Tim trapped/hurt inside a building Alex also brought Brian to, where he is finally cornered by the Operator. The last thing we see of him is his body being dragged inside the same room Tim was in. We donīt know what happened to either, and Alex simply walks away.
But, neither Tim or Brian are dead.
Either:
a) They simply survived TO, with consecquences to their human condition.
b) (I like this one more) TO let them live and live to now go against Alex. Because he is fucking evil.
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Entry #14 shows the Operator entering Alexīs room, and then him getting up, face full of blood. Then, we see him just... sitting there, blood on his face. The Operator didnīt attack Alex, and he had blood on his face before TO entering his room. He had killed/injured someone as another sacrifice to TO. The bullet casing in the house was another clue to, most likely, Alex shooting someone, as either in another sacrifice or the blood in his face is splatter from the person he shot.
Entry #22 shows Alex and Seth exploring an abandoned building. Seth is presumably attacked by something and dissapears/dies. Alex took care of him.
The other members from MH go missing, except J, for reasons yet unknown. Alex took them down. J being alive is something of a mystery. That, or Alex probably thought J was already on his way to being attacked by TO, thatīs why he let J have the tapes, where there was nothing incriminating, and even making it look like Alex was the one being stalked, which is only half true.
At the end of Entry #22, we see Alex claiming everyone is "gone". Even J. Burning the tapes means forgetting he ever did those horrible things. Running away means letting TO get everybody else.
Him finally moving away was the final way to forget all of it.
The reason TO gets to him in #26?
a)Some of the offerings lived. J, Tim and Brian, these last two having now turned into something less than human, and out to get Alex.
b) J lived, so Alex hasnīt fulfilled his offerings.
c) Because.
And now, Alex has killed again, "Bruce", in another offering to TO.
The fact that he let Tim, Masky, live in #35 is a brain teaser. Probably something to do with his "condition".
And now, after all this time, we shall see what happens next.
I think Alex is alive, but who knows which side in.
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Whoa, that took a while. Who knows, I could be wrong or right, but the last Entry made me think Alex was in TOīs side before J set out to find him.
I hope this textwall made sense.
Feel free to give your opinions!

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 		I think I'm going to tackle this in bulletpoints, there's a lot to look at here XD

- So it sounds like you're saying that after he realized he'd caught The Stalk again during his filming of MH, he also realized that he could spare himself by sacrificing others. Definitely not an impossibility, but dang, Alex. Way to be a selfish jerk.

- As far as what happened to Tim and Brian goes, I agree with the popular ideas that 1) Brian is not dead and 2) he probably became a proxy/masky. I still have no clue exactly who's side the maskies are on...there's plenty of evidence for both sides of that argument. But if Alex led them to that building and TO turned them into proxies, it would solidify that at least to begin with, proxies are slenderhenchmen. Not to say they never regained partial consciousness and decided to rebel a little, but it would definitely indicate that originally TO wanted them to do his bidding.

- In Entry #14, well. I have no idea how TO "attacks". So I can't say for sure that he didn't go after Alex. A lot of people feel like he just moves super fast, maybe being on camera slows him down, but as soon as he left the frame there was ample time for him to hurt Alex. Assuming that idea is correct, of course. I'm not sure where you can see that Alex had blood on his face before TO entered his room though.

- The bullet casing screws with me. Really bad. The blood in the sink does not seem like enough blood for a bullet wound, unless it was just a grazing. Some people feel like it's evidence of someone trying to defend themselves against TO and realizing pretty quickly that bullets are useless. I honestly have no idea :/

- Although in accordance with your theory, I like the idea that Alex gave the tapes to Jay because he felt like Jay was already doomed. I was just discussing his motives behind giving Jay the tapes earlier, and all I could come up with was either he didn't realize exactly how dangerous they were or he didn't care.

- I'm a little disturbed by the idea of proxies being these less than human beings who barely survived the slendy treatment and are just vengeful masked killers now D:

- I'm not sure what you mean by "fulfilled his offerings" though. It kind of makes it sound like Alex has some quota of bodies he owes TO.

- I'm also not sure what you mean by Tim's "condition". Like his proxiness?

- Aaaand in the end no one will ever know who's side Alex is on XD I personally like to think he's just not in control of his actions, but at heart he'd rather not be doing any of this.

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theartful2342 wrote:
I think I'm going to tackle this in bulletpoints, there's a lot to look at here XD
- So it sounds like you're saying that after he realized he'd caught The Stalk again during his filming of MH, he also realized that he could spare himself by sacrificing others. Definitely not an impossibility, but dang, Alex. Way to be a selfish jerk.

Yeah, makes him look like a gigantic jerk, but, itīs his life after all. But yeah, massive douche.

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- As far as what happened to Tim and Brian goes, I agree with the popular ideas that 1) Brian is not dead and 2) he probably became a proxy/masky. I still have no clue exactly who's side the maskies are on...there's plenty of evidence for both sides of that argument. But if Alex led them to that building and TO turned them into proxies, it would solidify that at least to begin with, proxies are slenderhenchmen. Not to say they never regained partial consciousness and decided to rebel a little, but it would definitely indicate that originally TO wanted them to do his bidding.

I wouldnīt be so sure they are Slendyīs proxies now. Either they became a different entity, similar to TO, out for Alex or they are indeed on Slendyīs side, which means Slendy may want Alex dead after all…
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- In Entry #14, well. I have no idea how TO "attacks". So I can't say for sure that he didn't go after Alex. A lot of people feel like he just moves super fast, maybe being on camera slows him down, but as soon as he left the frame there was ample time for him to hurt Alex. Assuming that idea is correct, of course. I'm not sure where you can see that Alex had blood on his face before TO entered his room though.

I think you can see drops of blood on his face as he gets up and closes the door. But, I could be imagining it, dunno.



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- The bullet casing screws with me. Really bad. The blood in the sink does not seem like enough blood for a bullet wound, unless it was just a grazing. Some people feel like it's evidence of someone trying to defend themselves against TO and realizing pretty quickly that bullets are useless. I honestly have no idea :/

I donīt know if the blood in the sink has something to do with the bullet. We recently saw Alex coughing up blood, this may have something to do with it. But yeah, screw the bullet casing.
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- Although in accordance with your theory, I like the idea that Alex gave the tapes to Jay because he felt like Jay was already doomed. I was just discussing his motives behind giving Jay the tapes earlier, and all I could come up with was either he didn't realize exactly how dangerous they were or he didn't care.

Alex donīt care, Alex donīt give a shit. He just takes what he wants.
Iīm more sided with the "J is already screwed, so it doesn't matter if he has the tapes".
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- I'm a little disturbed by the idea of proxies being these less than human beings who barely survived the slendy treatment and are just vengeful masked killers now D:

Yeah, sounds creepy, but creepy-awesome.
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- I'm not sure what you mean by "fulfilled his offerings" though. It kind of makes it sound like Alex has some quota of bodies he owes TO.

Probably TO began to stalk him again after a bit, and Alex thought he should bring more people to Slendy.

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- I'm also not sure what you mean by Tim's "condition". Like his proxiness?
- Aaaand in the end no one will ever know who's side Alex is on XD I personally like to think he's just not in control of his actions, but at heart he'd rather not be doing any of this.

I meant Timīs distortion-maybe-teleporting condition. Alex might not consider him a full-on threat, and breaking his leg was a way to stop him. It wasnīt.
I am really leaning to the theory Slendy and Alex are together in this.
Kinda tragic, J looks for Alex, who he assumes is in danger, and ends up realizing Alex is a killer.
What comes next will be awesome, shocking and possibly terrifying as hell.

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 		Re: Theory - The Operator is quite, actually, really evil
He turned Alex against the others. And vice-versa.
Many good points, most of which i agree with, except one:

TheCrimsonKnight wrote:
We know the Operator has been following Alex since youth. Why, reasons unknown yet. Maybe someone close to him was also stalked by him. Maybe bad luck. But we know this relationship has been going on for quite a while.


Not necessarily. The b-day video, like most of the stuff we get from TTA is probably a symbolic clue or statement, and not meant to be taken literally.

My main reason for saying this: If you're a proud parent and videotaping your kid's birthday, and that thing appears upon first viewing, would you keep the tape? Would you ever let said young child see it, or ever let his future friends know it exists? I think TTA had a relationship close enough to Alex at one point that they would have had access to innocent, Slendy-free home movies, and currently has a thing for creepy video editing. Maybe TTA is Alex, because how many of your friends' old home movies do you have a copy of? The only ones I have on hand star a young me or my girlfriend as a child. In that case, maybe Amy is TTA.

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 		Re: Theory - The Operator is quite, actually, really evil
He turned Alex against the others. And vice-versa.
ArynnOctavia wrote:
Many good points, most of which i agree with, except one:

TheCrimsonKnight wrote:
We know the Operator has been following Alex since youth. Why, reasons unknown yet. Maybe someone close to him was also stalked by him. Maybe bad luck. But we know this relationship has been going on for quite a while.


Not necessarily. The b-day video, like most of the stuff we get from TTA is probably a symbolic clue or statement, and not meant to be taken literally.

My main reason for saying this: If you're a proud parent and videotaping your kid's birthday, and that thing appears upon first viewing, would you keep the tape? Would you ever let said young child see it, or ever let his future friends know it exists? I think TTA had a relationship close enough to Alex at one point that they would have had access to innocent, Slendy-free home movies, and currently has a thing for creepy video editing. Maybe TTA is Alex, because how many of your friends' old home movies do you have a copy of? The only ones I have on hand star a young me or my girlfriend as a child. In that case, maybe Amy is TTA.


I've always favored the idea that enttry #37 indicated that Alex has been stalked since childhood, but yeah. It's not certain. I guess I assumed since typically Slenderman is associated with children that that's what was going on here, but I know OOG
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Troy said that when they began MH, the "Slenderman Mythos" was not really that developed yet. So it's possible Troseph just decided fuckit we do what we want.


The thing that solidified it for me though was when Jessica began talking about dreams in which she's a child and something is watching her. I'm not sure what would create that huge gap between childhood and college days, though. I mean if they were stalked as children, why would TO disappear and then turn up again years later? Why now?

But lately I've been having to push back the idea that Alex is in any way involved with the TTA videos. I don't particularly LIKE that idea, but...it's there as a possibility. But you're right, who else would have access to that kind of thing? Unless TO himself is actually out jacking old home videos and passing them off to TTA like "Hay look what I found, this oughtta creep him out XD"

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 		I've always been a fan of the Diabolical Sender man. That Alex, jay, Tim and even Brian and Amy and all of them are all his little pawns. Why?
maybe he bored.
maybe he is experimenting on the human reaction.
OR MAYBE THIS IS HIS WAY OF WORLD DOMINATION!
...

Also my guess as to why he shows up at childhood and then comes back at the college years is this:

He see a kid and "selects" them for some reason. Maybe their Special Idk. But he watches them for a while to see if said kid is worth it.

Then he wait till their "ready" for whatever he wants. Kids can't do much and he might be waiting till said kids brain develops.

Idk this is just my guessing you can point and laugh now.

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 		Readung can the Slenderman understand our language or the tools. Basic does the Slenderman have mind like ours. Techinal problem he makes people go wild and cough. I hardly call it killing people. He could have some wild field of energy making people sick like radiation. Can he talk plus how does he see no eyes. Does he telepathic powers. Evil is hard word to define leaving up the lawyers and maybe deep thinkers.

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 		Re: Theory - The Operator is quite, actually, really evil
He turned Alex against the others. And vice-versa.
TheCrimsonKnight wrote:
Entry #14 shows the Operator entering Alexīs room, and then him getting up, face full of blood. Then, we see him just... sitting there, blood on his face. The Operator didnīt attack Alex, and he had blood on his face before TO entering his room. He had killed/injured someone as another sacrifice to TO. The bullet casing in the house was another clue to, most likely, Alex shooting someone, as either in another sacrifice or the blood in his face is splatter from the person he shot.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a blood-less shot of Alex's face when he gets back into the room? I like the idea of the blood not being his though. First of all, it's not TO's style to harm people physically. Second of all, this tricked Jay into thinking that Alex is a victim, which is just what he wants. At this point, I think it's safe to say that Alex has been purposefully deleting incriminating videos (and the audio in the Slendy entries! Maybe whatever Alex said during his Slendy seekout sessions sheds light on his not-so-noble motives! This would also explain why TTA incorporated the audio into their videos, even if you can't understand anything of it in true TTA fashion.) before he gave the tapes to Jay. I suspect that something happened between the time Alex wakes up and checks the house and when the tape changes to him covered in blood. Therefore, I like your idea of the blood being someone else's.

Crazy idea: What if TTA (who I assume are Tim, Brian and possibly others from the cast) are guilty in some way too and are trying to prevent Jay from finding out? That would explain the "it's all Alex's fault" videos and it also explains why Tim tries to steal the tapes from Jay in #33. Maybe there's some stuff in season 2 that we have yet to see that will make us reconsider our mostly positive view of Tim & Brian. Tim tries to prevent Jay from seeing these tapes, and when this fails, he resorts to new TTA videos that are suddenly a lot less cryptic about their intention: "Alex is the bad guy!" This would also explain why Tim tries to deny any weird occurrences on the MH shoot in #15: He has personal interest in Jay never finding out what happened during that time.

If that is true, it appears to me that the two fractions (Alex vs. the rest of the cast) are trying to manipulate poor clueless Jay into believing their part of the story. This would mean that #22 was planted by Alex in the red tower to make him appear like the victim (no idea why it wasn't in the original batch of tapes though) and #51 is more or less the TTA counterpart to it. We already know that Alex has done some awful shit, but what if the others aren't as innocent as they like to be portrayed? Obviously, I can't really back this up (because if it's true, so far they've been good at hiding the truth), but it would explain a few things.

TheCrimsonKnight wrote:
The fact that he let Tim, Masky, live in #35 is a brain teaser. Probably something to do with his "condition".

What does Alex say in #36: "I could have done worse and I probably should have." Maybe Jay just freaked and stopped him from doing worse things after the initial rock attack failed to kill him. Sometimes things are simple.

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 		Alex didn't give Jay the red tower tape because the tape was Seth's. In fact, since Seth was the intended cameraman, that may have been Seth's camera in #51. Seth, being the cameraman, must have noticed something afoot long before Tim and Brian.
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 		Seth is the camera man for the MH project, he recorded #22 in Alex's mission and Alex took the camera after Seth disappeared and recorded his own stuff on it. So I don't see why Alex would treat this differently from any other tape.

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 		Yes, but Alex didn't give that tape to Jay. Jay found it at the red tower. Alex may have thought it would be too strange a tape to give to Jay if it had him saying Jay was gone. It simply points toward the theory that Alex selectively handed over tapes to Jay.
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 		Re: Theory - The Operator is quite, actually, really evil
He turned Alex against the others. And vice-versa.
theartful2342 wrote:
The thing that solidified it for me though was when Jessica began talking about dreams in which she's a child and something is watching her. I'm not sure what would create that huge gap between childhood and college days, though. I mean if they were stalked as children, why would TO disappear and then turn up again years later? Why now?


Have you ever seen the movie "They"?

In "They", "They" kidnap children while they're in bed, take them into another dimension, and mark them. When the kids grow up and are in there late teens - early twenties, "They" come back for the kids they marked so many years ago. And eat them. Yes, they freaking eat them. I'm getting that vibe from enttry #37
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