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[SPEC] The Tulpa Theory
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Mariolee
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Xeronex wrote:
Mariolee wrote:
ISMFOF wrote:
Mariolee wrote:
Are you guys honestly saying the stories aren't linked to Slenderman? There is no point for Alex to state the legend if it wasn't related to the Operator.

I get what you're saying, and thats how I feel too. But you have to look at allthe possibilities.
We don't know whats up with Alex right now, he could be crazy for all we know. These stories he tells could just be to set J in a mood, or he is actually crazy and just talking a bunch of random shit because of slendersickness or something, or who knows what. But its still possible.


All I'm saying is that this theory has a lot of holes in it, and requires using a radically different interpretation of the entries than usual. When that happens, the theory is usually wrong. For example, see Jessica as Masky in Entry 34 or 33.

People get so hung up on one theory that they bend the story just to fit it in, when what they should be doing is bending the theory to fit the story.


I'm not saying my theory is right, because you seem to be finding holes in it everywhere. Care to explain these holes?


I already laid out one with Entry 38. Let me list them out for ya:

Hole: Entry 38
-Entry 38 consists solely of Alex telling Jay about a legend extending back as far as the 1800s about how they used to burn criminals, murderers, child molesters*, etc and left them out on a tree before God to pass judgement. The villagers thought the tree would "stretch"* and torture the victims, and eventually when nothing happened, they wouldn't cut down the tree with the criminals, but burn** the trees with them still on it.
They stopped as soon as they lost a child to the woods, and found the same child dismembered and ripped into pieces.*

*This all works within Slenderman mythos. The original Slenderman legend was that Slendy was an old mysterious entity existing as far back as the first two World Wars (and in the Marble Hornets universe apparently the late 1800s). So Slendy being born in the late 1800s during the trials works perfectly within the established canon of Slendy. And Slenderman has also been established as a child molester, who takes children and doesn't give them back. At least not in one piece. This child molesting trait was also already established previously in MH at least three times (The Operator in the playground, the sound of children playing in the entry where Alex is extremely agitated with Tim, Seth, and Sarah while filming, and Jessica having dreams as a child about the Operator).
And "stretch" is obviously a reference to Slendy's unusually tall nature. And so, what Alex is saying fits all within the pre-established Slendy mythology.

A previously brought up theory is that Alex's mom may have told him this story in order to keep him away from the woods. First of all, what kind of screwed up mother would describe to his children about child molesters, burning people alive, and the image of a child cut up in pieces? What kind of childhoods did you guys have!? Also, there's no evidence to support this fact unless you have a video explicitly saying that Alex's mom told him this. So what is more likely, that Alex is telling the truth and it IS the truth and he's not crazy since it fits with all we know about Slendy, or that Alex's mom happened to tell a story that happens to fit with EVERYTHING?

** The burning of the trees is also significant. Go back to Entry 20, and you'll remember the painting with the trees on fire. This was obviously foreshadowing, while else would they zoom in on a painting that depicts what Alex said?

There, done and done. Instead of adjusting the story to fit the theory, adjust the theory to fit the story.

I would swallow the theory down more easily if it was like this:
All of what Alex said in Entry 38 is true, and Slenderman has existed far before Alex's eighth birthday. Alex then wishes for a secret best friend or some stuff like that. Instead of him creating Slenderman, what if this is what attracted Slenderman to him?

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Xeronex
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Mariolee wrote:

I would swallow the theory down more easily if it was like this:
All of what Alex said in Entry 38 is true, and Slenderman has existed far before Alex's eighth birthday. Alex then wishes for a secret best friend or some stuff like that. Instead of him creating Slenderman, what if this is what attracted Slenderman to him?


It could be like that, and that would fit the Tulpa theory. Sorta. But the story could be of importance to fit my theory as well. Like someone mentioned before, Slenderman could have taken the shape of the dead. Alex could have heard the story as a child from somewhere. Adults talking, children telling stories. Things like that. Remember, this is just an idea. Until it's actually disproven by the creators, it still remains viable. You did show some decent reasoning though! Very Happy

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 		I think both Xeronex and Mariolee have good ideas just some quick things

The tree burning picture might be an allusion to the slendy blog arg that flamerock was a part of. But could also be foreshadowing for sure.

I tend to agree or lean towards what Alex said as being true only because we can sift through the folklore part of it and see where Slendy applies. Another clue towards Slendy's time is when the times on the tape in entrry 37 jump down to as far as 1900, which I don't think reflects how old he is but is a clue

As of right now we have no solid clues as to how the Slender Man was created nor how he selects his victims...so I mean speculation is speculation...

And final word I guess, if he is indeed a tulpa he was created long ago(either at that point due to the trees growing quickly and the influence of such evil people) if not before that point. I'm not going to lie if that patch of woods is his supposed birthplace then Im going to be disappointed...

so yeah...

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Mariolee wrote:
A previously brought up theory


Mariolee wrote:
there's no evidence to support this fact


It's called a theory. The only thing a theory needs evidence for is to prove it true/false, not to exist in general. No one said it was 100% fact and then posted it with no evidence, people used 'maybe' and 'possibly' and 'theory', all words that mean 'it might not be true, but it could be'. You don't need evidence for possibilities or hypotheticals.
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 		I have liked the tulpa theory for explaining the existance for Slenderman, though there's one issue I have with your theory....

I may be mistaken, but what I remember about the idea of the Tulpa is that is requires a lot of focus and willpower. So, unless Alex is one of the most focused children I have ever seen it would require a lot more than just him. I like to think of it as similar to the Tulpa episode of Supernatural: People hear the story, believe in it, and certain aspects change depending on people's collective beliefs in the story.

Though I may just be talking out my ass and be waaaay off on this one, but that's my thoughts

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Mariolee
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OmegaX wrote:
Mariolee wrote:
A previously brought up theory


Mariolee wrote:
there's no evidence to support this fact


It's called a theory. The only thing a theory needs evidence for is to prove it true/false, not to exist in general. No one said it was 100% fact and then posted it with no evidence, people used 'maybe' and 'possibly' and 'theory', all words that mean 'it might not be true, but it could be'. You don't need evidence for possibilities or hypotheticals.


But theories should be analyzed and broken down, no? If we don't search for the holes, then we won't have a stable theory. IF we find the holes, and discover some possible logical way to fix it, then we better the theory itself.

If you come up with a theory that has absolutely no evidence, then there is no reason to follow it. It's just like if I stated Alex's dad is Slenderman. Sure, it sounds cool, but without evidence how can anyone take it seriously?

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 		There really isn't any reason to think that Slender Man/The Operator/Thin Bloke/whatever you want to call him, in Marble Hornets, is a Tulpa. Mainly the Tulpa theory started up because it was so easy for people to go "Um, that guy on SA made him up, how are you being stalked by him?" And then people would be like "...shut up." And then a lot of the people on this forum went "Hey, if so many people are thinking about Slender Man, maybe he'll become real, like a Tulpa." And then instead of the "...shut up," a bunch of the blogs instead thought of "It's the Tulpa theory, and that explains everything." And it actually did kinda make sense on a suspending-disbelieve kind of level that you already had anyway. BUT, we so often forget 2 things.

1) Marble Hornets itself started out as a contribution to everyone else in the thread making their own Slender Man pictures. Basically, this was like one of those pictures, only in video form. It is entirely within the canon of the original SA photos made by Victor Surge.

B) Although the form of the Tulpa theory proposed in this thread would sort of make sense, most forms of the Tulpa theory say that Marble Hornets has to be fake even within their canon, for the basic reason that without Marble Hornets, not enough people would fear the Slender Man, and he couldn't come to life. As such, most traditional Slender Man Tulpa theories would say that Alex Kralie by himself on his birthday, is not enough to create an entire creature, especially one like the Slender Man.

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