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[VIDEO] Entry #39
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Antifringe
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Kilo wrote:
I'll just keep repeating, over and over, if that was the Operator, it breaks pretty much every known and observed pattern of distortion.

Just sayin'.


Not really.

The Operator has appeared many times without creating distortion:

Entry 6
Entry 10
Entry 11
Entry 14

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zcohen17
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 		Im pretty sure it is slendy, though it still doesn't seem like he is tall enough. But I mean, Slendy has been searching for Alex at different points in the series, so what if he somehow knew Alex was suppose to meet Jay there and was just looking for Alex. Just thinking out loud.

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Kilo
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Antifringe wrote:
Kilo wrote:
I'll just keep repeating, over and over, if that was the Operator, it breaks pretty much every known and observed pattern of distortion.

Just sayin'.


Not really.

The Operator has appeared many times without creating distortion:

Entry 6
Entry 10
Entry 11
Entry 14


I'll concede on entries 6 and 10. However, 1 and 6 are obviously from the same clip. I believe 4 and 10 to be related as well, though it's probably less obvious.

Entry 11 I'll grant. I could make a ton of excuses, but there's not.

And in 14, there is. Very beginning of the entry.

EDIT: You know what, fuck it, I'll make the excuse anyway. His appearance is always preceded by a visual tear, and it's always very soon. In entry 11, he's already outside of Alex's house. And in 10, Alex is being actively followed by him.

Jay knows to look for the visual tear, obviously. He watched 40 minutes of the tape. I'm sure he could've started rolling it the 5 seconds prior to the Operator walking by (If it was him).

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 		Just noticed that the clip with the person peering into the car is much more blurred than when Jay goes to sleep. There's your distortion.

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 		This entry basically has two sections - the second is being debated to death, but what about the first section, with Jay by the lake? I think there's some stuff worthy of scrutiny that hasn't come up much.


Ok, so Jay recieves a phone call. He says in the video that its been a week, so even if we can't place it in the 7 months we at least know how it relates to the meeting with Alex and Tim in the shack. There's a few things that bug me about it though...

1. Jay seems to have been doing nothing but wait for this phone call. So what has caught the attention of the figure who looks through the window? Has Jay been followed all the way, or is that the first time he appears?

2. Jay doesn't bat an eylid at the mention of Rosswood Park. I think this might be pretty crucial - it implies at this point, he's already familliar with the place. You'd expect some sort of "where?" reaction if he didn't know it. Ok, so I suppose he could find it on google maps or something, but the way Alex phrases it coupled with Jay's reaction makes it sound like its somewhere they both know and can get to easily. This throws a bit of a spanner into the works for people trying to put together a timeline. If Jay has been there before, perhaps this isn't as early on as we've been assuming, and what did Jay do when he was last there...?

3. Are we certain Alex made the call? I remember a popular theory that said a certain tall character might be capable of parroting simple phrases...



Further to 2, I'm still a little confused as to where #38 took place... I know it seems like it could fit the day after #39 when the two of them arrive at Rosswood Park, but... I'm just not sure. All throughout series 1 Alex was shown as running away. But if he "moved here" to a place with local folklore about stretched criminals and murdered children in a forest - well, thats either a really unsuccessful attempt at running away, or it suggests he was following the myth and actually going deeper into the whole mess.

Plus, what significance does this Rosswood Park hold anyhow? We've only seen one entry that can definitely be placed there, and that had no sign of Slendy unless he magically became tothepark. The point is, we know for sure that the woods near the MH set were significant Operator-wise, we've seen no sure evidence that Rosswood does. Perhaps Alex is trying to find a pattern in places, perhaps we need to ask the question "what links the woods around Alex's old house and the MH set to the woods at Rosswood?"


...and if you made it through all my rambling thought process then well done to you Smile

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evilsuperpowers
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IonCharge wrote:
Just noticed that the clip with the person peering into the car is much more blurred than when Jay goes to sleep. There's your distortion.


What if it's blurred because of condensation? Jay sleeping in the car could cause the windows to fog up, making it difficult for the camera to focus on anything through the window.

Also: First post

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GreyGhost119
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 		I'm more confused as to why Jay would go to sleep in or near a bunch of woods in his car.

I mean, if it was me I probably wouldn't even consider sleeping in the middle of nowhere.

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evilsuperpowers wrote:
IonCharge wrote:
Just noticed that the clip with the person peering into the car is much more blurred than when Jay goes to sleep. There's your distortion.


What if it's blurred because of condensation? Jay sleeping in the car could cause the windows to fog up, making it difficult for the camera to focus on anything through the window.

Also: First post


There's no in-game way to debate that. But I mean, out of game: I don't think Troy actually slept in the car all night.

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evilsuperpowers
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cemetrygates wrote:
evilsuperpowers wrote:
IonCharge wrote:
Just noticed that the clip with the person peering into the car is much more blurred than when Jay goes to sleep. There's your distortion.


What if it's blurred because of condensation? Jay sleeping in the car could cause the windows to fog up, making it difficult for the camera to focus on anything through the window.

Also: First post


There's no in-game way to debate that. But I mean, out of game: I don't think Troy actually slept in the car all night.


It doesn't really need to be debated though, it's basic science. If the temperature difference between inside the car and outside the car is great enough, the windows will fog. The windows could have fogged up within ten minutes of Jay falling asleep depending on how heavy he breathes in his sleep.

Out of game: It wouldn't be difficult to fog up a car at night. Especially on a cooler night near a lake or pond. Troy wouldn't have to spend the whole night in the car just to get that effect.

All in all, it's just a plausible reason as to why the person is blurred.

Edit: I apologize if I come off cross or rude, I just feel like the idea shouldn't be swept under the rug just because. It is a simple and logical explanation for why the figure and everything else outside the window is blurred.

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Edit: I apologize if I come off cross or rude, I just feel like the idea shouldn't be swept under the rug just because. It is a simple and logical explanation for why the figure and everything else outside the window is blurred.


I'd accept this as a possibility if only things outside the window are blurred (and Cemetry, I'm sure if Troy and co. wanted to have a window covered in condensation they'd find a way to do it), but it's not just outside things. the edges of the window are all blurred, too (including a pretty prominent reflection in the corner of the window, near the tip of the windshield wiper blade), indicating that it's not condensation but something else. Compare that spot before the cut (2:06 and 2:36 are good) and after the cut and you'll see it. :3

There's also some blueish-purplish noise that isn't there before the cut, suggesting distortion.

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onetruepurple wrote:
First of all, this was a very good entry. The lake shot was very good cinematography, and also felt somewhat familiar (see attachment.)

I also strongly doubt it was The Operator staring at the window. Whoever that figure was, they didn't move stiffly, they were similar height as Jay, and they hunched. What was the last time you've seen The Operator hunch??

I realize it looks vaguely like him, but we've been getting a lot of fake appearances this season - remember the potted plant at the corridor in #27, or the 'slender' shadow of the backpack in #28?


I'm kind of sad no one commended you on this already. Fantastic eye spotting the guard rail!

I'm also under the impression it's not Slender Man, but I also agree debating it to death won't prove anything. I'm of the mindset that we just wait and see.
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I'd accept this as a possibility if only things outside the window are blurred (and Cemetry, I'm sure if Troy and co. wanted to have a window covered in condensation they'd find a way to do it), but it's not just outside things. the edges of the window are all blurred, too (including a pretty prominent reflection in the corner of the window, near the tip of the windshield wiper blade), indicating that it's not condensation but something else. Compare that spot before the cut (2:06 and 2:36 are good) and after the cut and you'll see it. :3

There's also some blueish-purplish noise that isn't there before the cut, suggesting distortion.


Watching it again I do see some noise, however for me it's there with the cut from proper lighting to the poor lighting at night. Also, watching that spot it does go out of focus. Not just when the figure is passing by though, it goes out of focus when the camera is jostled as Jay lays down and again moments later as it tries to focus on the car driving by outside. Although it is possible for that to be caused by distortion.

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BranRainey wrote:
He utterly ignored J in Return. Going to J's car just to watch him sleep would be very significant if this is indeed the Operator.


This.
Return the operator didnt do anything to jay, just slendered by

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evilsuperpowers wrote:
AKLY wrote:


I'd accept this as a possibility if only things outside the window are blurred (and Cemetry, I'm sure if Troy and co. wanted to have a window covered in condensation they'd find a way to do it), but it's not just outside things. the edges of the window are all blurred, too (including a pretty prominent reflection in the corner of the window, near the tip of the windshield wiper blade), indicating that it's not condensation but something else. Compare that spot before the cut (2:06 and 2:36 are good) and after the cut and you'll see it. :3

There's also some blueish-purplish noise that isn't there before the cut, suggesting distortion.


Watching it again I do see some noise, however for me it's there with the cut from proper lighting to the poor lighting at night. Also, watching that spot it does go out of focus. Not just when the figure is passing by though, it goes out of focus when the camera is jostled as Jay lays down and again moments later as it tries to focus on the car driving by outside. Although it is possible for that to be caused by distortion.


Like my last (ignored) reply to these distortion claims,

These guys (this is IG and OOG) use handicams. Consumer/prosumer digital camcorders. These were not built for low-light situations. They use autofocus. It's focused before the door closes because the light in the car is revealing enough to let the camera focus on it. When that door slams and the light goes out, there is not enough light for the camera to properly focus on any plane. So it's going to be out-of-focus.

Does this mean this isn't intended to be distortion? No. It could be. But claiming that it 'definitely' is or 'has to be' distortion is wrong. It's easily explained away (like the peaking audio when the trunk door slams) by the equipment used by Troy/Jay. You can see evidence of this in the entry where Jay hears noises from the other room in the hotel for the first time. It looks pixelated, but it's most likely noise and artifacting from the low light of the room.

I'm sorry if this comes off dickish, but we're now twenty pages in and still debating something that's not really conclusive. It might be distortion, but if it was it was not intentionally-edited Slendy distortion. No tearing, no visual or audible noise added in. It's natural. Maybe it's supposed to be subtle, maybe that's what they wanted, and if so we'll find out eventually, but otherwise it's pretty clear that this isn't traditional MH distortion. It's just the camera being a camera.
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evilsuperpowers wrote:

Watching it again I do see some noise, however for me it's there with the cut from proper lighting to the poor lighting at night. Also, watching that spot it does go out of focus. Not just when the figure is passing by though, it goes out of focus when the camera is jostled as Jay lays down and again moments later as it tries to focus on the car driving by outside. Although it is possible for that to be caused by distortion.


If there was a light-to-dark lighting change that caused it, you would have seen it when Jay turned the light off initially, and that would have worn off after 40 minutes.
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