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Who is the Seeker of the Ark?

Alex
14%
 14%  [ 43 ]
Alex
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Tim
23%
 23%  [ 69 ]
Tim
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Brian
20%
 20%  [ 62 ]
Brian
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Seth
7%
 7%  [ 22 ]
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0%
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Jessica
7%
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Jessica
0%
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Someone else
26%
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Someone else
0%
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[SPEC] Who is totheark?
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McGregor
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I believe that totheark is Brian. I think this because his character seemed too important to just shove off as being "just an extra". I mean, come on, he was the main character in the Marble Hornets movie. He must have known about the production for quite some time in order for him to have such an important role in Alex's film. This means that he may have been exposed to these strange occurrences with the Slender man just as long as Alex or Tim.

Some may say that he wasn't all that important because he was barely in any of the footage, just 3 or so entries. I think that his absence during the production, despite being the main character, is what makes him even more of a candidate of being totheark. Where he is half of the time is a mystery. There was more then one instance where the rest of the crew questioned where Brian went and for some reason, no one had an answer for it. This mystery behind Brian and his house is what makes me think that he is more involved in this then we are being led on to believe. Who knows what Brian was going through during these disappearances? For all we know he could have been getting slendy stalked just as Alex was, we just don't have the evidence on footage to prove it.

I just don't think that he's going to be shoved aside and never brought back up again. If he isn't totheark, then something significant has/had to be going on with his character.

I don't know if most/any of this is true or not, but I hope that we find out soon Very Happy . This is just my opinion and I'm not trying to belittle anyone elses'.

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Andvalli
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For what it's worth totheark's footage of Jay from Entry 39 is the only con I can think of against Tim being TTA. The "cop-out" reasoning isn't valid for reasons Geneaux has stated. Besides, until TTA is really revealed to be Tim not knowing for sure is where a lot of the intrigue stems from.

I personally think TTA actually could be comprised of multiple people or at least affiliated with others. That explains the figure in 39/Forecast, the seemingly multiple Maskies, and the various uses of words like "us" and "we" (though depending on your outlook of other things this might refer to the Operator). It's not something I'm dead set on, though... and there isn't really an option for multiple people anyway so w/e. Razz

Edit: Since I couldn't remember offhand I checked to see if TTA so much as batted an eyelash in response to Entry 35 where Tim was unmasked. While it's never referred to directly the next TTA video after it is Broadcast, the audio of which has been decoded as "Enjoying watching you suffer." In Entry 35, both Alex and Tim were physically injured, although taking Fragments into consideration it was more likely directed toward Alex. Could count as cons against them, don't know how hard the evidence has to be to make the list though.

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shoeler
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det slanke mannen wrote:
RockLobster wrote:
Wow... I'm all for fighting for the newbs in the forum, but the random threads is at an all time high! Getting annoying.


You have ~243 posts less than the thread opener, so I don't really know what your "newb" is supposed to mean.


or a join date 4 years before yours.

and he has a point. just going off the first page we have: someone questioning whether the operator=slenderman, two different threads about MH slowly dying (who obviously didn't follow during some of season one, which is no knock against them, just perspective i guess.), an entire topic devoted to how watching a MH entry in the morning instead of the night sucks, atthetower talk, two trolls, and 8 pages devoted to obvious gamejack.

just because he hasn't boosted his post count by bumping the windmill diaries with useless posts doesn't mean much.

...oh. sorry. what were we talking about? totheark? alright.

geneaux pretty much summed up every point ever made on this forum pretty well. i've a couple to add:

why it's not alex: not sure the point of moving out of state, runnin' from slenderman, then comin' back to film some return and admission.
alex couldn't have filmed exit.
why it's not the operator: actually. i don't need any reasons for this. it's so far-fetched it's ridiculous. it would be like cthulhu maintaining a youtube account. the creators know better than this.
why tim: only character jay has run into that's been openly hostile to jay, and TTA seems hostile. i know a bunch of people would argue that TTA/tim are trying to help jay, but i just don't see that. tim (okay, "anonymous tip", which was either a poor plot movement or was really tim) lured him to the house a bunch of times, once attacking him, and another time getting him into slenderbasement.
why it's not:

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i feel like troy's been dragging it out for awhile now. i figured right after we saw masky was tim, tta was going to be all "HAY YOU FOUND ME", but since they're dragging it out, i'm starting to suspect it's not. it'd honestly almost seem lazy now for them to have TTA out himself as tim in a couple responses. i really can't see how it'd be any other character storywise, but there's still more videos to be released i guess.


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Geneaux486
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i feel like troy's been dragging it out for awhile now. i figured right after we saw masky was tim, tta was going to be all "HAY YOU FOUND ME", but since they're dragging it out, i'm starting to suspect it's not. it'd honestly almost seem lazy now for them to have TTA out himself as tim in a couple responses. i really can't see how it'd be any other character storywise, but there's still more videos to be released i guess.


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That is a good point, if TTA were Tim I'd have expected them to join the TTA and "masked man" identities together in an irrefutable way before revealing that it was Tim. On the other hand, if it does wind up being Tim, then the "Broadcast" video's meaning becomes a bit clearer, and in a way you could go back and look at that as an admission of sorts, though a cryptic and indirect one. There's also the fact that J has gone from assuming that totheark posted the ##### video and assuming that totheark is Tim to saying things like "Whoever posted entry ####" and "whoever totheark is", which are as valid as the initial assumptions themselves in terms of what they could imply OOG.


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Timur
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clearly the Denver Broncos. How were they not included on the poll?! Wink

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Holland_Oats
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Thoughts.

a) TTA is in cohoots with Tim in some way
or
b) TTA is more than one person, as I believe there are multiple maskies.

For (a), I think TTA could be a 4th party other than Tim that knows Tim or is working with Tim. I'm not sure what TTA or Timasky's goal in this whole series is (other than "lead me/us to the ark"), so I think it's a viable theory.

For (b), I think TTA could be the collective of the maskies. There's been multiple pieces of evidence that lead me to believe there are more than one masky, even though Tim is the only one we've witnessed directly. However, we have seen at least 3 other masks in the videos. What that means, I'm not sure. Tim could be the only one left perhaps....? Either way, some of the TTA videos also mention "us", which I believe refers to the Maskies.

I think Tim could be TTA, but I think what I mentioned above is more likely. I think it's more likely he's part of the Masky Alliance that uses the TTA name on Youtube.

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Rodion Romanovich
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Geneaux486 wrote:
Pros:
In the Signal video totheark says "Come back. Find me." followed by J going back to the house and finding Tim, essentially making totheark call Tim "me".


This seems compelling, but only if we take what TTA says at face value. I'm not sure we should do that. Bit of a cheeky fellow, that one.

I've never been in the TTA=Masky camp, mostly because it just doesn't feel right. Take "Messages", for example, where Tim's face is shown. Why would TTA show himself like that? "Here's my secret, now tell me yours"? Possibly, but again, it just doesn't feel right to me. There is undoubtedly some kind of connection between TTA and Tim, but until it's unambiguously #35'd, I'll keep doubting that they're one and the same.

Still, Tim is probably the strongest candidate, if only because the others are even weaker. If it does end up being Tim, I'm more interested in seeing if they can pull it off without it being anticlimactic. I'm hoping for Jessica, because evil girls are cool (at least fictional evil girls), but they would have some major retconning to do for it to make sense. The only realistic alternative to Tim I can see is Someone else, so that's whom I voted for.

But it's probably gonna end up being Tim. Again.

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onetruepurple
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Some oil for the "Tim is TTA" bonfire:

- Entry #9 ends with the text "Whoever had been following Alex seems to have stressed him to the point of it affecting his personality.". totheark's first video was a reply to #9. Can we perhaps assume that totheark is a much more extreme case of the Operator affecting people's personalities?

- What if it was Alex recording Jay in #39, with the same camera as in #26, to further point out Jay to the Operator's existence??

That said, I second Geneaux's post wholeheartedly, and wish that stupid people with stupid troll names would shut up for once and all.

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morscata12
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This is a general reply to the argument that Tim isn't ToTheArk because it's not a plot twist.

Sometimes the series drops subtle hints. And we should expect some degree of hinting when it comes to one of the biggest characters in this series. If those hints grow into something substantial later on, the last thing fans should do is get mad at the creators if Unfiction's deductive powers turn those hints into spoilers. From a story development perspective, these hints can tie a narrative together, which is highly important when dealing with an interestingly disjointed method of storytelling. We can't start slighting Marble Hornets because we dissect each Entry for weeks.

Who knows, maybe we misinterpreted those hints. ToTheArk may end up being Sarah, Seth, Jessica, the Operator, Alex, Jay, etc. I don't know if any of those revelations would be any more interesting than if it was Tim.

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A possible good piece of evidence that Tim is TTA is a statement Joseph made in the radio interview. He said that a story shouldn't rely on a twist to make it good. You should enjoy the ride of the story, no matter what you know about the ending.
So, knowing that, based on the hints and possible other evidence, Tim may very well be totheark. It's all about the ride.

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I haven't had a chance to listen to the radio interview, but I am glad to hear that Joseph agrees with me on this point regarding obvious reveals and spoilers. A story should be compelling, regardless of what you may or may not already know about it.


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So in the discription of this thread it says an option is the 1992 Denver Broncos, yet they are excluded from the actual poll! Bullshit! Alex is on there twice, but noooooo, my best guess for who TTA is gets excluded. Unacceptable.

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An expansion on my reasoning that Alex is TTA:

1. Alex has the video production skills.

2. Alex has access to the raw Marble Hornets footage that appears in the TTA responses.

3. Of all of the characters introduced, Alex is the most likely to be able to guess what password(s) J is using on the YouTube and Twitter accounts. TTA posting to those may just be social engineering, not supernatural abilities.

4. Alex did, in fact, effectively tell J, "You really want that footage for b-roll? Sure, here's a garbage bag full of super cursed evil videotape. Have fun with it! Just don't talk to me about, I'm moving out of state. Kthxbye." What a pal!

5. Although this could be pure misdirection, he has been a serious dick (at the least) in season 2, clearly knows a lot more than he is letting on, and can reasonably (although not conclusively) thought to have lead J to the Operator in episode 40.

6. Of all the people who had access to the footage in the "enttry" (and, wow, that was creepy), Alex is the most logical... in fact, he is so logical that it is almost an argument against this theory.

7. There's some kind of Operator / Alex connection that predates Marble Hornets, based on the "entrry," and the fact that the Marble Hornets set was very close to Alex' childhood (?) home.

So, what about entries 26 and 35?

#26: Well, Alex is clearly not best friends with the Operator. But here's an analogy. Suppose you were at home with your girlfriend, and she turned around and there was... the big loan shark you used to work for. Your reaction might be exactly the same as Alex'. (Special pleading? You bet, but, hey, speculation is half the fun.)

#35: Masky and TTA are not necessarily working together; in fact, Masky's behavior can be interpreted as trying to (literally!) block J and keep him from continuing to get deeper into the situation.

I'm getting the emerging feeling that the Alex-Operator connection goes way back, and that the Operator's appearance on the Marble Hornets set was almost like he was coming back to... settle a debt? Call in a favor? Remind Alex of his loyalties?

Anyway, I'm starting to see Alex almost as if he's the Operator's "dragon" (in the TV Tropes) sense.

And wouldn't we love to know what happened after #12 cut off?

OK, enough uninformed speculation for one post.

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Geneaux486 wrote:
I voted that it is most likely Tim, for these reasons:

Pros:
In the Signal video totheark says "Come back. Find me." followed by J going back to the house and finding Tim, essentially making totheark call Tim "me".

But, what if TTA was behind one of those locked doors? Maybe Tim just saw the TTA video online and intercepted Jay on the way to finding TTA.
Geneaux486 wrote:

totheark and Tim also frequent the same locations, such as the house.

Same argument as above. Maybe this "TTA" figure (or organization) was "watching" Alex in the same way when he was taping himself. Perhaps Alex has already been through this hole process?

Geneaux486 wrote:

totheark's knowlege of J secretly filming himself while he slept came at the same point in time that J's security footage picked up the only unusual occurence since he had begun filming himself, that being Tim peeking in through his window, entering his room, and inspecting the camera.

Maybe TTA knows about Timasky/The Maskies and going along with the theory that TTA knows about the "Slender Process", if you will, TTA just assumed Jay was taping his whole life at this point.

Geneaux486 wrote:

Tim features in more than one totheark video, in front of a stationary camera.

At the same time though, there are multiple masks in those videos, and those other masks don't have Tim-features (i.e. sideburns)
I have a feeling there are multiple masks (as we've seen at least 3), and either they are or were in cahoots with each other, or possibly TTA is an ex-Masky turned good.



Geneaux486 wrote:

J has said that he suspects totheark is the man in the mask, which could be taken as a plot device telling us to be the case.
Furthermore, totheark's year-long silence coinciding with J's would be explained by he, Alex, and J becoming more agressive in what is basically their hunts for each other.

Not really sure if this is really anything more than feeble to base a theory of TTA's identity on, as it could, and I think probably is, a red-herring.



Not trying to jump on the "bash Geneaux" bandwagon, just being objective. Good times in Marble Hornets-ville.

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Geneaux486
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You're right, there are other explanations for those things, and the theories you've provided are plausible. I will say that I still don't see enough evidence to support the "multiple masked people" theory, though there has been at least one differing mask on screen. I mean, you've got J and Alex. Add in two more masked people and over 50% of the cast is masked. The show's always kept the active cast pretty small, would get kinda awkward if there were that many antagonists relative to poor J.

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