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det slanke mannen
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YamaKami wrote:

Just being crazy is not enough to make Alex being TTA a satisfying answer though, at least for me. I need more evidence showing WHY he would need to communicate via creepy videos.


I was just thinking;
It's definitely been mentioned more than once that TTA could be like a split personality character of someones. Not only is that an acceptably MH-ish thing, but TTA himself references this short story "Silent snow, secret snow" in "Signal" (i think), which also has some allusions to schizophrenia.

Assuming this is Alex, perhaps Alex is unaware of his split personality, but TTA is aware of also being Alex Kralie. Fragments could even make more sense then?

How do you like that explanation for Alex's behaviour?
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this could be something that was thought up along the way.
"Hey, we could have (Alex's) split personality communicating with Jay through cryptic videos", since the fact that they hadn't had TTA in mind when starting the series has been destroying most of my theories Very Happy

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det slanke mannen wrote:
I was just thinking;
It's definitely been mentioned more than once that TTA could be like a split personality character of someones. Not only is that an acceptably MH-ish thing, but TTA himself references this short story "Silent snow, secret snow" in "Signal" (i think), which also has some allusions to schizophrenia.


I agree that TTA's use of this particular film could possibly be of some importance, especially seeing as the entire story is focused around a main character who senses his own impending descent into mental instability and eventually comes to embrace and find comfort in it, shunning the outside world.

But while it might shine some light on TTA's state of mind, I don't think it's enough to really sway my thoughts as far as TTA = Alex. Yes, the guy has been a bit of a ruthless asshat, and he can act a little vague and impatient towards Jay, but there is nothing concrete that he has done that could point to him being as far off his rocker as TTA obviously is.

Furthermore, it doesn't really seem to fit from what we know of Alex's activities prior to his reappearance in Entry #26. From what little footage we're provided with, we have the picture of a guy who has successfully removed himself from an insane situation by not thinking about it or involving himself in his old life in any way shape or form, to the point that Jay, presumably a good friend of his, thought he might be dead.

I also feel like having split personalities might be a bit of a cop out. I don't particularly like that angle in most stories, as it can feel like an anticlimactic twist ending when done poorly. OOG:

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Joseph himself has also talked extensively about how much he hates twist or surprise endings. 'If a creator has to resort to something like that, then their story probably wasn't all that strong to begin with.' (Paraphrasing)


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^agree

I think that intellectually, I could accept that Alex's split personality is TTA, since I can't think of any hard evidence that would make it absolutely impossible. But I would be extremely disappointed. As far as I can tell, this has been the story of some normal, average, completely unexciting kids who stumbled into a terrifying situation. Giving one of them a split personality to explain this mysterious and sometimes threatening entity would seem like a cop out to me.

My speculation on TTA is that he communicates the way he does due to being completely Slender-mindf*cked, possibly from being taken and held in Slender-captivity. The Operator definitely causes mental disturbances. But would he cause a split personality? I find it a little hard to believe that a person could be crazy Operator-affected some of the time and completely normal the rest of the time. But saying Alex just happened to already have a split personality seems contrived.

BLAH- I just don't know. I would accept a split personality if that turned out to be the case, but it still wouldn't *feel* right. And we'd still need a good explanation for the alternate personality's behavior. Again - just being crazy is kind of a weak answer.

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Well now that we are pretty sure TTA lost someone important (well I am at least) that could explain the psychopathic behavior. How would you feel if one of your friends or a family member was taken by some tall guy without a face wearing a suit. The drawings seem quite similar to Alex's drawings but this could just be a symptom of slendy-sickness. Although I'm leaning against it, the videos moods do seem to parallel Alex's (as far as we know anyway) so I wouldn't be shocked if TTA did wind up being Alex's split personality.

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I know exactly what you mean, I'm just trying to think of any possible explanations here. I'm absolutely not sure Alex is TTA, just trying to find reasons how he could be. Since we don't have more than suspicions and speculation going for any of the other possible characters being him, well...
Kind of agree with you on the split personality thing though. kind of a cheap twist if not done right.
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You're right though, split personality is definitely a possibility, or it could be some other reason we haven't thought of yet. Maybe we'll get evidence in the coming entries that will shed some more light on Alex's or TTA's motivations and state of mind. If it's Alex, I'll accept it and I trust the boys to make it fit. But I'm still hoping it's not. (I also just noticed that Team Brian has a few more members - he's up to 19 votes in the pole! **tiny celebratory dance**)

@Biohazard - That's a good point about grief over losing someone driving a person to insanity. Especially since we know Alex has lost so much, and TTA just indicated that he's lost something too. But Amy disappeared back in April 2010, and TTA didn't become active again until February 2011. (I'm still operating under the assumption that if Alex is TTA, it's only been in season2). It's still possible, but that's quite a long gap between the initial loss and subsequent bowl of crazy.

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YamaKami wrote:

@Biohazard - That's a good point about grief over losing someone driving a person to insanity. Especially since we know Alex has lost so much, and TTA just indicated that he's lost something too. But Amy disappeared back in April 2010, and TTA didn't become active again until February 2011. (I'm still operating under the assumption that if Alex is TTA, it's only been in season2). It's still possible, but that's quite a long gap between the initial loss and subsequent bowl of crazy.


Well like I said, I think it's POSSIBLE. I still like my completely ridiculous theory that Brian was taken by the operator, Sarah is TTA (Brian is her ex), and Tim is pissed and blames Alex for Brian's dissapearance. This also explains Alex's angry mood being similar to his current one during the filming of Marble Hornets (I think Brian went missing before Alex went crazy)

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I think that if they did a split personality thing it would be a bit... Easy to fuck up. They could do it wrong so very easily. -shrug-
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But I would like to point out that schizophrenia and split personality disorder are not the same thing. Smile sorry, things like mental illness hit home for me, and I don't like when people get the two mixed up.


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dinosauring wrote:

But I would like to point out that schizophrenia and split personality disorder are not the same thing. Smile sorry, things like mental illness hit home for me, and I don't like when people get the two mixed up.


1. I don't think this needs to be spoilered, it's a fact
2. Thank you for pointing this out. Alex seems to be more schizophrenic to me anyway, him filming himself constantly out of paranoia and all. If he is becoming (or just is) schizophrenic than the way he's acting around Jay might just be a rouse and not a different personality (If he is TTA that is)

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Biohazard80 wrote:
dinosauring wrote:

But I would like to point out that schizophrenia and split personality disorder are not the same thing. Smile sorry, things like mental illness hit home for me, and I don't like when people get the two mixed up.


1. I don't think this needs to be spoilered, it's a fact
2. Thank you for pointing this out. Alex seems to be more schizophrenic to me anyway, him filming himself constantly out of paranoia and all. If he is becoming (or just is) schizophrenic than the way he's acting around Jay might just be a rouse and not a different personality (If he is TTA that is)


I know it didn't NEED to be. I just decided it wasn't really the point of my post, so I might as well spoiler it, :p.

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perhaps Totheark is Full Round Action? TTA clearly likes fucking with us

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WhyYouBawwing wrote:
perhaps Totheark is Full Round Action? TTA clearly likes fucking with us


Finally someone figured it out. It was so obvious the whole time.

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Ok, this is a legitimate spoiler tag, so if you haven't seen Cloverfield and don't want anything in the movie spoiled, don't read ahead.
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Ok, so you know how the monster in Cloverfield spawned off these smaller monsters that went around and caused just about as much havoc as the big monster? (Ok, yeah... less havoc, but still a lot.) Well, that's what the Maskies are, Operator spawn still in a larval "masked" state.
Well, all of them except Tim, that is. And I use the term "Maskies" to refer to however many people Masky represents, as well as Hoody, and possibly Skully if that wasn't just a toy or poster or something.

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Thought regarding the 'TTA is several people' idea:

I re-watched Warning and clocked something I'd not noticed before. It's probably been brought up ages ago - but very near the end, you get the frame saying "regards". There looks to be a second 's' at the end that sort of becomes an underline: "regardss" hardly makes sense, but could this be interpreted as a sort of signing off? "Regards, S." It could just as well be a reference to the TTA video... but let's take it as a sign-off for a moment.

You also have the S / sigma symbol that appears in Program and Advocate (and Tim's t-shirt) and it got me thinking... If TTA is several people, could they be 'signing' their videos this way? As in, if we think the sigma / S is Tim (which would kind of make sense, given his shirt and the mask in Warning) could there be other calling cards in the different videos? I'm not all that sure how well this idea holds up, but thought I might share it.

An additional (even more ridiculous) idea occured as I was typing that. What if TTA is a number of people who are using the account to communicate amongst themselves? Its not always obvious who the videos are directed at - some have been definitely to Jay, Fragments at least seems directed at Alex and there's even the possibility that some are dirtected at us, the audience. If all the members of TTA have access to the account, but want to avoid openly meeting / speaking / whatever, it might be their only option. There's also the often-mentioned split-personality idea - by preserving them on the youtube page they're available to watch next time Jay's on a sleepwalking trip.

Huh. Seems mad to me that idea. Have fun disproving it! Smile

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DonMonte wrote:
Ok, this is a legitimate spoiler tag, so if you haven't seen Cloverfield and don't want anything in the movie spoiled, don't read ahead.
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Ok, so you know how the monster in Cloverfield spawned off these smaller monsters that went around and caused just about as much havoc as the big monster? (Ok, yeah... less havoc, but still a lot.) Well, that's what the Maskies are, Operator spawn still in a larval "masked" state.
Well, all of them except Tim, that is. And I use the term "Maskies" to refer to however many people Masky represents, as well as Hoody, and possibly Skully if that wasn't just a toy or poster or something.


If I'm going to believe the maskies are agents of ol' Jack Skellington(yeah, I'm sayin' it), I think it would be less that scenario and more of an unwilling servant/hypnosis sort of scenario, a la Dracula and his manservants, or the Gentlemen from Buffy and their... mental patients? Something like that.

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