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Who is the Seeker of the Ark?

Alex

14%

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Alex

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Tim

23%

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Tim

[ 0 ]

Brian

20%

[ 62 ]

Brian

[ 0 ]

Seth

[ 22 ]

Seth

[ 0 ]

Jessica

[ 23 ]

Jessica

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Someone else

26%

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Someone else

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Biohazard80
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I still see no proof that TTA or Tim work for S-Man. More against Alex, and by association Jay.

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:21 pm

DHawk314
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Biohazard80 wrote:

I still see no proof that TTA or Tim work for S-Man. More against Alex, and by association Jay.

The fact that totheark and Masky both seem to constantly lead Jay places where the tall dude shows up kinda make me feel it's likely.

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:40 pm

slendywasphone
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DHawk314 wrote:

Biohazard80 wrote:

I still see no proof that TTA or Tim work for S-Man. More against Alex, and by association Jay.

The fact that totheark and Masky both seem to constantly lead Jay places where the tall dude shows up kinda make me feel it's likely.

And that he was in Return

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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:11 am

AngryDeepground
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It's mulitiple people

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:45 am

Ikekudeyg
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TTA is just one person... Who just happens to believe he is multiple people. That is as much as I entertain the multiple TTA and multiple Masky ideas.

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:01 pm

YamaKami
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Susil wrote:

Thought regarding the 'TTA is several people' idea:

I re-watched Warning and clocked something I'd not noticed before. It's probably been brought up ages ago - but very near the end, you get the frame saying "regards". There looks to be a second 's' at the end that sort of becomes an underline: "regardss" hardly makes sense, but could this be interpreted as a sort of signing off? "Regards, S." It could just as well be a reference to the TTA video... but let's take it as a sign-off for a moment.

You also have the S / sigma symbol that appears in Program and Advocate (and Tim's t-shirt) and it got me thinking... If TTA is several people, could they be 'signing' their videos this way? As in, if we think the sigma / S is Tim (which would kind of make sense, given his shirt and the mask in Warning) could there be other calling cards in the different videos? I'm not all that sure how well this idea holds up, but thought I might share it.

Heeey, I like the calling card theory. "Regards" always felt to me like a sign off or the valediction of a letter - like saying, "With kind regards, TTA," (in a very tongue in cheek way). So in Warning, it could very well be "Regards, S."

But, I disagree that the sigma points to Tim. My evidence here is OOG, but please bear with me, as I really think it's relevant.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

In the DVD commentary for Entry #9, Tim bemoans that everybody and their mom misinterpreted his shirt. It seems he really likes that shirt, and is miffed that nobody could make out what's on it. Apparently that blue smudge we all thought was a sigma is actually a monkey in a suit holding a gun.

So I'm thinking the sigma doesn't indicate Tim. BUT. Where else have we seen the sigma? In Advocate right next to Brian's head, and in Program, at the bottom left of the footage of a house. Here's my question - Is there any chance that's Brian's house? If so, then that's a little more evidence for Brian as TTA.

slendywasphone wrote:

DHawk314 wrote:

Biohazard80 wrote:

I still see no proof that TTA or Tim work for S-Man. More against Alex, and by association Jay.

The fact that totheark and Masky both seem to constantly lead Jay places where the tall dude shows up kinda make me feel it's likely.

And that he was in Return

But if TTA and/or Tim are working for Tall, Pale and Faceless, wouldn't they have *given* Jay to him? To be kidnapped or dismembered or what have you? In Return, it looks to me like TTA is drawing Slendy *away* from Jay. I thought that was the whole point of the video - to 1) warn Jay that he has been "found" by the Operator (ie. noticed and marked); and 2) to show that TTA is not trying to kill him. Did anybody else see it that way?

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:10 pm

DHawk314
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YamaKami wrote:

I've always found this interesting, people siting that if Masky/totheark wanted to kill Jay they'd just do it already. The thing is that that has never, ever been slendy's style. If slendy wanted to kill Alex fast and swiftly, it would've already happened a while ago. I believe slendy prefers to stalk it's victim's insane first, or something along those lines. it doesn't just kill it's victims like that, it never did with Alex. To be blunt, I think it's because slendy and his puppets are screwing with Jay. It's what slendy has always done.

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:26 pm

YamaKami
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DHawk314 wrote:

The thing is that that has never, ever been slendy's style. If slendy wanted to kill Alex fast and swiftly, it would've already happened a while ago.

Yeah, that's a solid point. It still could be that the Operator wants the Ark, and his minions are hounding Jay so they can get it for him. But somebody who has been Slenderstalked to insanity wouldn't be very effective in finding the Ark (not that Jay has shown in *any* way that he is capable of finding it while relatively sane and unharmed).

Anyway, my personal opinion is still that the Ark can be used to resist/ward away/escape from/defeat the Operator. I think TTA is against Slendy, but not necessarily for altruistic reasons such as helping Jay - he could simply be out for his own survival.

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:42 pm

DHawk314
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YamaKami wrote:

Anyway, my personal opinion is still that the Ark can be used to resist/ward away/escape from/defeat the Operator. I think TTA is against Slendy, but not necessarily for altruistic reasons such as helping Jay - he could simply be out for his own survival.

The thing is that this does seem likely, that the ark is something against Slendy, since a flood always seems to be a metaphor for Slenderman. This is basically, in my opinion, the biggest hole in the theory that TTA or Timasky works for Slenderman, but I believe it's possible Slenderman wants to find his own weakness so he can destroy it. It's all very speculative though, you could also be correct.

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:24 pm

Mr_Magpie
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YamaKami wrote:

It was actually my first thought upon seeing the video, and I'm not really sure what other interpretation one could form as The Operator's attention is very clearly being drawn away from Jay - whether by the camera that TTA has picked up or by TTA him/herself.

As for whether or not TTA/Tim could be working for The Operator, I have personally always disliked this theory. To begin with, we know so little about the motivations of either of these characters, and what we have gleaned we have only gleaned tangentially - we can see that TTA wants Jay to do this or that and that Tim seems to, um, enjoy chasing Jay from here to there, but we have no idea why. We can't even say for sure if these characters mean to help or harm Jay, let alone what their ultimate goals might be.

Furthermore, the idea that The Operator would have 'minions' implies that he has plans which he would need them to carry out on his behalf. Not only does that diminish his otherworldly character by placing limitations on what The Operator can and cannot do, it also implies that he has thoughts and emotions analogous to those of human beings. This might just be the HP Lovecraft fan in me, but I've always felt that what makes The Operator truly terrifying is his complete divorce from anything we would recognize as logical or sane. The moment you have human beings who are able to communicate with or be communicated to by The Operator, the nature of what The Operator is changes entirely. I'm not saying it's an impossibility, especially where Tim is concerned, as his behaviour seems more openly threatening, but it's certainly not a theory I am fond of.

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:19 am

Kitchenyou10sull
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Mr_Magpie wrote:

Furthermore, the idea that The Operator would have 'minions' implies that he has plans which he would need them to carry out on his behalf. Not only does that diminish his otherworldly character by placing limitations on what The Operator can and cannot do, it also implies that he has thoughts and emotions analogous to those of human beings. This might just be the HP Lovecraft fan in me, but I've always felt that what makes The Operator truly terrifying is his complete divorce from anything we would recognize as logical or sane. The moment you have human beings who are able to communicate with or be communicated to by The Operator, the nature of what The Operator is changes entirely. I'm not saying it's an impossibility, especially where Tim is concerned, as his behaviour seems more openly threatening, but it's certainly not a theory I am fond of.

I completely agree. I don't think The Operator needs minions nor do I think he would employ them to do his dirty work. But perhaps Slenderman's supernatural presence / vibes that seems to distort cameras, space, and time, also can distort one's sanity and mental state. What if too much contact with The Operator leaves one's sanity most vulnerable? What if totheark is simply a byproduct of The Operator's effects?

If totheark's mental stability has been, as I've seen mentioned on these forums as "Slendyf*cked", then this would explain the cryptic messages, the somewhat obvious "multiple personalities" posting the videos, and the lack of a clear motivation. People who are insane don't have clear-cut motivations. They are usually reacting to paranoia, fear, imagined or real threats from the outside world, or even their inner demons. Now I'm not saying totheark has multiple personalities. People who have been diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder often claim that they suffer from a lack of a sense of self; that sometimes they feel like three or four or more different people all wrapped up in one person. Totheark could be experiencing a multitude of symptoms that fall well into the realm of psychosis. Sometimes a person can exhibit different facets of many different diagnoses. So totheark may or may not have certain mental illnesses, but certainly displays symptoms for them? I hope this makes sense...

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:37 am

DonMonte
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Kitchenyou10sull wrote:

...But perhaps Slenderman's supernatural presence / vibes that seems to distort cameras, space, and time, also can distort one's sanity and mental state. What if too much contact with The Operator leaves one's sanity most vulnerable. What if totheark is simply a byproduct of The Operator's effects?

I've thought something similar to this throughout the series. I kind of think The Operator gives off some sort of radiation, cameras act as Geiger counters, and people who hover around Slendy get sick both physically and mentally. Occasionally, people, things, or places get so irradiated with Operator fallout that they set cameras off, too.

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:54 am

YamaKami
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Mr_Magpie wrote:

Absolutely! That is what I've always thought, and a big reason I dislike the minion theory. It's also why I dismiss theories that the Operator is TTA, or is capable of making videos, or of communicating at all.
(Also, I think I need to start reading some Lovecraft.)

Kitchenyou10sull wrote:

If totheark's mental stability has been, as I've seen mentioned on these forums as "Slendyf*cked", then this would explain the cryptic messages, the somewhat obvious "multiple personalities" posting the videos, and the lack of a clear motivation. People who are insane don't have clear-cut motivations. They are usually reacting to paranoia, fear, imagined or real threats from the outside world, or even their inner demons.

I definitely agree that TTA has been Slendy-mindf*cked, but I don't think he is as completely insane as you've described. The name of the Youtube channel and the nature of the messages shows that he does at least have a clear-cut goal - he wants the ark. While his motivations remain unclear, that doesn't mean he doesn't have any. Also, the threat he's responding to is real - the Operator has already taken and/or killed some people. I think it's more like TTA's thought process has been warped - he has trouble communicating his thoughts in a rational way. His videos might look completely coherent to him.

DonMonte wrote:

Yeah, that seems to be the popular theory. And it's why I attribute Tim and TTA's abnormal behavior to the Operator - they've both been so affected by him that they cause camera distortion (I'm counting both #39 and #41 - I think Hoody did cause some distortion when he appeared on camera). But especially poor, hapless Tim - that was some extreme distortion in #19, #33, and #35. I wonder how long you'd have to be in the Operator's presence to become so affected.

Also, I think this effect could account for much of the distortion in TTA's videos - distortion that's not obviously caused by the Operator being in the shot. More like the ever-present audio distortion in each one. To make the videos, TTA has to use electronic equipment. It's possible his proximity to that equipment is what causes some of the end product's wonkiness.

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:38 am

Feiticera
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Kitchenyou10sull wrote:

I like this theory, I'd always assumed that TiMasky is the way he is from his mind getting "Slendyf*cked" by the Operator, hadn't thought of applying it to TTA aswell.

As for how their minds get messed up I used to think that that it was something similar to what happens in the movie "The Mothman Prophecy", in that the Mothman's attempts to communicate with humans sends the humans mad because the way their minds work are so radically different and the Mothman's mind was so much more advanced than that of a human whose minds couldn't comprehend the messages.

Whether that is the case or not and to riff off of what Kitchenyou10sull said, you could say that TTA and TiMasky may not necessarily be working for the Operator but they may have some of the Operator's mind or thoughts imprinted onto their own which has driven them mad and affected their wants and goals, I'd say Tim more so than TTA as he acts like a wild animal without the ability to communicate whereas TTA can still comunicate but it comes over as the rantings of a madman.

The level of exposure that they've had with the Operator depends on how far gone they are, I think Alex has had some small level of exposure as the drawings he scribbled, things such as "forget what I see", suggest to me that the Operator's been inside his head and shown him something horrible.
TTA seems to have had more exposure and seems to mimic the Operator in the way in that he's always watching which is pretty much all we've seen the Operator do so far. Assuming that the Operator is searching for the Ark we can assume this is where TTA gets his desire for the ark from aswell.
I did once subscribe to the theory that TTA was a non human character from this reply he made on his youtube account,

TTA wrote:

totheark to Citizen Ed on September 2, 2009 (after being asked if Jay can be trusted)

"human, therefore no"

but now I think it's more likely that TTA is one of the MH cast members, most likely Brian, but their mind is so warped they think they are more akin to the Operator. This may also account for some of the duality of TTA's character, sometimes hostile then sometimes helpful, maybe it sounds clich� but it could be an internal struggle in TTA's mind between the residual human part and the the Imprinted Operator.

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:23 am

Mr_Magpie
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YamaKami wrote:

Not at all meaning to derail the thread, but may I suggest one of my favourite HP Lovecraft stories, The Colour Out Of Space - http://www.yankeeclassic.com/miskatonic/library/stacks/literature/lovecraft/novellas/colouro.htm

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:44 am
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