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[SPEC] Who is totheark?
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Themagikarpevolution
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Mr_Magpie wrote:
Randoman96 wrote:
Themagikarpevolution wrote:
Umm so now if the the two maksy's are TTA can we confirm that they don't like Alex? So should we be looking for people who have a reason to not like Alex. They may even wanna bash his face in with a rock.


I was under the impression that Fragments pretty much said "we fucking hate Alex".


I always thought the message was something more along the lines of 'Hey, Jay, long time no see. Alex is a fucking douche.'


I thought it meant the same thing aswell seeing aas we hadn't seen Alex for a awhile and obviously TTA knows things Jay doesn't so he was saying don't trust him and Alex has recently done something to make them hate him.

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I see no reason why those two lines of thought must be exclusive.

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Zarggg wrote:
Now that Hoody is back, I'm really starting to think that TTA/Hoody is Jay again. I know it doesn't make sense in some cases, particularly that one scene from season 1 where Jay is filmed going to Alex's car while Alex is off being slenderfied. However, that can be explained as Tim being behind the camera, and we all do seem to agree that Tim and TTA are involved somehow.

Then again, that still leaves open the fact that all the other times Jay runs into Tim, they don't seem to be "working together." Perhaps the Brian or Jessica theories do have some merit after all.


I like the idea that the Hoodie (Woodsy? hee) in #45 might be Jay. I know we probably shouldn't consider build as concrete evidence, considering the possible use of body doubles, but something about the body language and form of Woodsy in #45 just screamed Jay to me and I can't bring myself to totally discount it. More than that, I'm still convinced the one twitpic from way back when on the MH account was Jay in a mask.

That said, that wouldn't have to mean that Jay was part of the first season totheark -- maybe Tim got in contact with him during the 7 months and effected the change somehow. It could even mean that he's not part of TTA currently, either, given that Jay has lost his memory. These videos are from the missing period, after all. In fact, that memory loss might account for the sense of rage that has been coming through in the TTA videos lately -- TTA had an ally, and then lost him for some reason, and that would be incredibly frustrating.

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JKatkina wrote:
Zarggg wrote:
Now that Hoody is back, I'm really starting to think that TTA/Hoody is Jay again. I know it doesn't make sense in some cases, particularly that one scene from season 1 where Jay is filmed going to Alex's car while Alex is off being slenderfied. However, that can be explained as Tim being behind the camera, and we all do seem to agree that Tim and TTA are involved somehow.

Then again, that still leaves open the fact that all the other times Jay runs into Tim, they don't seem to be "working together." Perhaps the Brian or Jessica theories do have some merit after all.


I like the idea that the Hoodie (Woodsy? hee) in #45 might be Jay. I know we probably shouldn't consider build as concrete evidence, considering the possible use of body doubles, but something about the body language and form of Woodsy in #45 just screamed Jay to me and I can't bring myself to totally discount it. More than that, I'm still convinced the one twitpic from way back when on the MH account was Jay in a mask.

That said, that wouldn't have to mean that Jay was part of the first season totheark -- maybe Tim got in contact with him during the 7 months and effected the change somehow. It could even mean that he's not part of TTA currently, either, given that Jay has lost his memory. These videos are from the missing period, after all. In fact, that memory loss might account for the sense of rage that has been coming through in the TTA videos lately -- TTA had an ally, and then lost him for some reason, and that would be incredibly frustrating.


I could go for Jay being a Mask. Whether he's working with or against TTA, he does black out. This could be some sort of split personality brought on by the Operator himself. However, I don't know what could support this.

I could say the videos that were uploaded to the MH channel without Jay's consent were in fact put up by him but I think I remember some episode where he was unable to type in his password and got upset. This could be interpreted as one of the members of TTA breaking into his account... but how would they know the original password...?

If Hoody = Jay, then why would Jay be helping Masky all of a sudden? Did the TTA videos finally make sense to him? Did TiMasky convince Jay that Alex was not to be trusted? I could definitely see this sort of thing happen... We don't know what Jay was up to at these moments. We're once again surfing through Alex's tapes while Jay is waiting for the next contact. Who knows what happened?

Edit: However, if the figure in the Hoody-colored hooded sweatshirt sitting on the tree in front of Alex is suppose to in fact be Hoody, then how would Alex find Jay running wildly through the woods moments later?

Doesn't make sense unless...
Jay = Figure in #45
and Figure in #45 != Hoody

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StarlitVixen wrote:
Doesn't make sense unless...
Jay = Figure in #45
and Figure in #45 != Hoody


X3 That. Exactly that. I subscribe to the idea that Hoody is not Woodsy... though that still leaves us with the question of who the hell Hoody is.

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JKatkina wrote:
StarlitVixen wrote:
Doesn't make sense unless...
Jay = Figure in #45
and Figure in #45 != Hoody


X3 That. Exactly that. I subscribe to the idea that Hoody is not Woodsy... though that still leaves us with the question of who the hell Hoody is.


I am still on the boat with Hoody = Woodsy but let's explore this idea then?

Hoody's "first" appearance was when he showed up, peeking into Jay's car as he slept. Later on, he calmly returned Jay's camera to him. Hoody seems to have been defined as calm, collected, and in control with the situation given to him. Maybe a bit playful if we believe he did the video Intermission. "DID YOU SEE ME? I SAW YOU."

Now for the "Woodsy" figure. This figure stalks up to Alex's house. Alex is obviously alarmed and paranoid, so he chases after him. Again, I get the sense of deliberately getting Alex to follow him but at the same time, the figure was just a bit scrambled at the beginning of the chase. Still. If we believe the figure crouching down, watching TiMasky attack is the same as Woodsy (some people even subscribe to the theory that this is a THIRD figure, which would make a total of FOUR Masks if we don't count Hoody in this meeting), then Woodsy is calmly watching Masky take care of his business before they are both alarmed and run off.

This might be a bit biased because I believe they are the same figure... but feel free to pick apart and add to it?

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The demeanor thing is interesting, though I'd like a larger sample size to really say if I buy it.

The main reason that I don't think the figure is Hoody is simply the visual difference. The facial covering on Woodsy is not the same as that on Hoody. I know people have brought up the fact that night vision can change things, or different kinds of fabrics can interact with night vision strangely, but that seems like a very weird and specific kind of detail to include in the video. It would have had to be extremely intentional on the part of the creators. I just cannot think of a reason they'd do that, except to delineate Woodsy as a different "mask" (bandanna, whatever) than the very distinctive Hoody.

(then again, I haven't finished reading the Entry #45 thread yet, so I don't know if someone's come up with a really compelling night-vision theory since... *cough* shame on mee)

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Well someone brought up the fact that Alex's black shirt shows up gray in the night vision.
Then we have Woodsy/Hoody with a gray face. Since Hoody's mask is definitely made of fabric since we got a good look at it, we could say Woodsy/Hoody has a black mask. But if they aren't the same, we'd have two players with black masks and similar eyeholes...

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StarlitVixen wrote:
Well someone brought up the fact that Alex's black shirt shows up gray in the night vision.
Then we have Woodsy/Hoody with a gray face. Since Hoody's mask is definitely made of fabric since we got a good look at it, we could say Woodsy/Hoody has a black mask. But if they aren't the same, we'd have two players with black masks and similar eyeholes...



borrowing from Mr. Magpie...


and from Don Monte...


I can see a division in the face, right around where the bridge of a nose would be and just below the eyes. I know other people have said it as well, but to me it looks like a banadana moreso than a mask, which would make this figure separate from hoody

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To the bandana-supporters: IF "Woodsy" is wearing a bandana, what else are they wearing? There's clearly still something covering the eyes and the rest of the face.

BTW - this isn't sarcastic, or rhetorical. I personally think people are looking too much into this, but if we're gonna discuss it, let's discuss it.

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^ that's the one thing I can't seem to solve. if it were glasses or goggles of some kind, then we should see some sort of bridge between the lenses. In the smaller pictures, there appears to be some sort of line connecting the top of the lenses, but the blow up picture shows there's nothing there.

If it is a mask, who's mask creates a division in contrast slightly above the nose?

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But can you honestly tell though? I can even see 2 divisions, does that mean he's wearing a bandana with a scarf over it?


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A mask would have been easier to wear dude


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Maybe, this was some sort of an initiation and they haven't given him a mask to be known by yet perhaps, using the build it was a girl who just put makeup around her eyes soo she does seem to be wearing a mask but just hasn't earned it yet.

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I had a thought regarding the masks, that I think best fits here.

I was simply wondering why the masks are different. If TTA is an organisation with the masks as their 'uniform', then why would the masks be so different? It's not a uniform if it isn't, well, uniform. Similarly, I can't see the two different masks being made at the same time, otherwise they'd be much more alike (perhaps two different paint jobs over the same plain plastic) than they are - this suggests that whenever the decision to wear masks was made, the two people we see didn't do it together.

In fact, I'd go as far as to say that they weren't originally a team. There's that separation that makes me think of two possible explainations:

1. Tim and Blasky (and the debated Bandanny) decided to wear masks independently of one another. Whatever its benifit is, I'm not sure, but they both realised it. Later they become a team.

2. Blasky followed Tim's lead. Something about the Blasky mask seems a bit more ad-hoc than the theater type mask Tim has, which makes me think Blasky was a later addition to the team. He/she improvised with a T-shirt or something. I did a quick google for "sad face t shirt" which didn't bring up anything that looked quite the same, but it could be done the same.

I'd lean towards 2: I like the idea that TTA is expanding. I wonder... during series one, TTA had been posting for a few videos before the interview with Tim, right? Perhaps he joined their number then, became the legs? And with the action shifting to the Rosswood area, more folks have become involved. Jessica is a potential candidate in this case.


Maybe the above makes sense... I can never tell!

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Totheark... may just be Alex. Those writings in #46 are straight from Inquiry's spectral message.
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