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Who is the Seeker of the Ark?

Alex

14%

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Alex

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Tim

23%

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Tim

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Brian

20%

[ 62 ]

Brian

[ 0 ]

Seth

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Seth

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Jessica

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[SPEC] Who is totheark?
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Jingleman
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Joined: 29 Aug 2012
Posts: 239
Location: Texas

Cyberpineapple wrote:

If Tim's been stalked by slendy since childhood, surely Brian his friend for years would have been affected too. It was Brian who met Alex and introduced him to Tim. If you look at it that way, Brian could be the primary cause.

I wouldn't characterize it as the cause of all this, but you could look at Brian's introduction of Tim to Alex as the inciting incident, I suppose. I don't think that we know enough about the Operator to say that Tim being stalked as a child is evidence that Brian was exposed in childhood, though. Are we even sure that their friendship goes back that far? I thought Tim just said "I was friends with Brian" in 15; did he give more information than that?

Anyway, welcome to the forum!

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:32 pm

Cyberpineapple
Boot

Joined: 07 Sep 2012
Posts: 15

I thought he said that they've been next door neighbours for a while or something. I mean, I got the impression that they've known each other for a while. And yeah, I meant the incident that introduced the MH crew. Possibly he was Alex's friend for a while and was at his party in enttry 37.

And thank you Very Happy

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:42 pm
Last edited by Cyberpineapple on Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:33 pm; edited 1 time in total

Jingleman
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Joined: 29 Aug 2012
Posts: 239
Location: Texas

Cyberpineapple wrote:

You're right, he did say that they were neighbors; I just checked the wiki and the actual quote I'd forgotten was:

Quote:

Tim: "Well, I..I've..I've lived next to Brian, so I never really lived near Alex. He was just kinda off."

I don't know if there's another line I've forgotten that gives an indication of how long or when they were neighbors, but there you go. With regard to the enttry 37 party, some people even place the whole cast there, but I'm hesitant to believe the connection. Brian's friendship with Alex is something we don't really know about before the MH shoot.

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:56 pm

Cyberpineapple
Boot

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Yeah, just speculating. There are probably some flaws with the theory I overlooked.

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:33 pm

Jingleman
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Joined: 29 Aug 2012
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Location: Texas

Cyberpineapple wrote:

Yeah, just speculating. There are probably some flaws with the theory I overlooked.

I'm sorry; I wasn't calling you out or anything, friend. Everybody's theories have weaknesses; there's nothing wrong with that. The "Alex had other MH cast members at his childhood party" theory isn't completely unreasonable, I just don't happen to buy it myself. Anyway, I hope I'm not coming off as discouraging anybody from speculating. I think that part of the fun is throwing out a wildly speculative theory and then poking and prodding at it until we can see if there's any kernel of truth to it. That's all I'm trying to do.

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:55 pm

Cyberpineapple
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Yeah, I agree Smile

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:41 pm

Jingleman
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Joined: 29 Aug 2012
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Location: Texas

Exetera wrote:

Jingleman wrote:

Jay: Almost no chance.

I think it might be worth pointing out some interesting facts about the first member of ToTheArk. He...

I really am open to a theory that makes Jay a good candidate for TTA, but obviously I didn't give him much chance in my first assessment. Let me explain why none of these points convince me that the odds are any better.

Exetera wrote:

Is or was a film student. (See his editing abilities.)

Lots of people can use editing software without having been to film school, and many of them are quite talented. Consumer software is becoming more and more user-friendly, as well as more powerful, so I see no reason to consider this kind of education a necessary part of the TTA profile.

Exetera wrote:

Has access to the Marble Hornets tapes, even to parts of them that didn't appear in Jay's uploads (TTA: Advocate) or to sound from them which Jay claims was removed (apparently TTA: Operator).

This is one reason that many people see Seth as a good candidate for TTA, but the reality is that there were three years between the original shoot and Jay getting the tapes from Alex. Anyone could have accessed them then; we don't know. Furthermore, someone seems to already have been filming TTA footage of Jay in 2006 ("Exit"). Plus, Jay's security measures have been largely ineffective. The MH footage could really have been obtained by anyone at anytime.

Exetera wrote:

Was the second present-time person in the series, appearing (TTA: regards, 22 Jul 2009) months before anyone but Jay (the next being Tim, in Entry 15, 3 Oct 2009) and just 32 days after the start of the series (Introduction, 20 Jun 2009).

I don't see how this has any bearing on TTA's identity. Every other candidate had already been exposed to the Operator and drawn into this mess prior to 2009 (with the possible exception of Jessica), so by the time we started to get videos from TTA, it could have been anyone.

Exetera wrote:

Was probably an original MH cast or crew member.

Very possibly, but not certainly, and besides, Jay had far less involvement in the original film than many of the other candidates. I don't see this as probative one way or another.

Exetera wrote:

Can somehow persuade Jay to do very stupid things (returning to the house, TTA: Signal and Entry 18, TTA: Admission and Entry 22).

Jay takes stupid risks all the time, for lots of people including both Alex and Tim, and even sometimes at the urging of the audience (e.g., tweet on Nov. 6, '09; the audience convinced Jay to go to the House, not "Signal").

Exetera wrote:

Knows an awful lot about Jay's living situation (TTA: Messages).

This is what stalkers do. They learn about their victims' living situations.

Exetera wrote:

Can access Jay's accounts with impunity (Entry ######, enttry #37, Entry #61).

I think that this is the strongest argument that Jay is TTA or has been used as a proxy of TTA or something like that. Still, Jay claims that while his accounts are locked out, he's conscious and well, trying to get back in. So I don't find this evidence compelling. That said, I can't explain how any other character is doing the hacking.

Exetera wrote:

Enjoys posting videos of supernatural monsters stalking him to YouTube.

I don't know what this is supposed to show. The two YouTube channels serve different purposes. Jay's is about documenting his troubles, TTA's is about cryptic messages and pursuing an unknown agenda.

So I don't find these points as compelling as you seem to. However, I do think that a Fight Club style twist would be cool if it were well executed. I just don't see it in the series so far. I would be interested in additional evidence from believers in the Jay=TTA theory, if we've missed some here.

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:17 am

Geneaux486
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Joined: 17 Mar 2011
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Seeing as how totheark filmed Jay during the summer of 2006, and Jay has demonstrated none of the technical skills necesarry to construct a robot to do his bidding, I doubt he's totheark.

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:23 am

paladin181
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Joined: 14 Nov 2011
Posts: 502

Geneaux486 wrote:

Seeing as how totheark filmed Jay during the summer of 2006, and Jay has demonstrated none of the technical skills necesarry to construct a robot to do his bidding, I doubt he's totheark.

Jay has demonstrated none of the technical aptitude to survive if he were being chased by a deadly other-worldly creature who defies the laws of physics and time, but has managed to do so, just sayin.

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:14 am

Geneaux486
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Joined: 17 Mar 2011
Posts: 2423

paladin181 wrote:

Geneaux486 wrote:

Seeing as how totheark filmed Jay during the summer of 2006, and Jay has demonstrated none of the technical skills necesarry to construct a robot to do his bidding, I doubt he's totheark.

He sees it, he runs, locks his doors and windows, changes his location, he pretty much has the basics covered.

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:38 am

ForeverEndeavor
Kilroy

Joined: 07 Sep 2012
Posts: 1

Quote:

Hardly. At this point, I believe The Operator is toying with Jay. Jay's 'survived' so many times because he never was in any real danger. I dare someone to count how many times Jay has woken up next to the camera after an encounter with The Operator. LOL.

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:19 am

Exetera
Boot

Joined: 07 Jan 2012
Posts: 44
Location: Where the rain is

Jingleman wrote:

Exetera wrote:

Is or was a film student. (See his editing abilities.)

The experience required isn't necessarily impossible to get aside from being a film student, but it certainly makes it much more likely. There are also a few specific videos that strongly suggest film school; TTA: Signal is composed primarily of vintage film snippets, and TTA: Deluge's light fixture fixation seems quite common among film school grads.

Jingleman wrote:

Exetera wrote:

Has access to the Marble Hornets tapes, even to parts of them that didn't appear in Jay's uploads (TTA: Advocate) or to sound from them which Jay claims was removed (apparently TTA: Operator).

Your timing's a bit off. Jay got the tapes from Alex not long after shooting ceased; he didn't look through them until three years afterwards. It's possible that other people made tape copies, but (at least in my experience with a similar but not identical tape format) tapes can only be transferred in realtime; given the amazing size of the MH archive, I'd be surprised if anyone bothered with that. (Certainly there would be no reason for anyone to have copied the innocuous clip of Brian from TTA: Advocate.) As regards TTA: Exit, I had always assumed the clip was Alex's, chronologically after Entry 13. At the end of that entry, Alex is running from Slenderman; since Jay was walking much more slowly, it's not inconceivable that Alex could have gotten to the car just after Jay did. It also makes sense for Alex to want to check on Jay or head for the road if he was concerned about Slenderman. It's possible that Jay was burgled for his tapes, but it seems unlikely that this would have gone by without his noticing.

Jingleman wrote:

Exetera wrote:

You're missing the point... anybody other than Jay would have to have discovered his uploads within 32 days. It's also worth mentioning that Slendersickness seems prone to inactivate when contact with Slenderman is broken, as happened with Tim, Alex, and possibly Jay; there's no sign that anyone was still actively ill before Jay started going back through the tapes again.

Jingleman wrote:

Exetera wrote:

Knows an awful lot about Jay's living situation (TTA: Messages).

This is what stalkers do. They learn about their victims' living situations.

This point is erroneous; I mixed up Entry 19 and 24.

Jingleman wrote:

Exetera wrote:

Can access Jay's accounts with impunity (Entry ######, enttry #37, Entry #61).

Presumably TTA!Jay cannot or does not get all of his work done in one period of control. He might change Jay's passwords at his home so he can upload videos from elsewhere later.

Jingleman wrote:

Exetera wrote:

Enjoys posting videos of supernatural monsters stalking him to YouTube.

I don't know what this is supposed to show. The two YouTube channels serve different purposes. Jay's is about documenting his troubles, TTA's is about cryptic messages and pursuing an unknown agenda.

They turn to exactly the same mode of operation in situations where few others would.

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:59 pm

Aesculapius
Unfettered

Joined: 20 May 2011
Posts: 600
Location: Honolulu, HI

Exetera wrote:

Jingleman wrote:

Jay: Almost no chance.

I think it might be worth pointing out some interesting facts about the first member of ToTheArk. He...

Is or was a film student. (See his editing abilities.)
Has access to the Marble Hornets tapes, even to parts of them that didn't appear in Jay's uploads (TTA: Advocate) or to sound from them which Jay claims was removed (apparently TTA: Operator).
Was the second present-time person in the series, appearing (TTA: regards, 22 Jul 2009) months before anyone but Jay (the next being Tim, in Entry 15, 3 Oct 2009) and just 32 days after the start of the series (Introduction, 20 Jun 2009).
Was probably an original MH cast or crew member.
Can somehow persuade Jay to do very stupid things (returning to the house, TTA: Signal and Entry 18, TTA: Admission and Entry 22).
Knows an awful lot about Jay's living situation (TTA: Messages).
Can access Jay's accounts with impunity (Entry ######, enttry #37, Entry #61).
Enjoys posting videos of supernatural monsters stalking him to YouTube.

I think all those things can be chalked up to creepy powers and (possibly justified) stalking. Look at the ease of which TTA breaks in and does recon. He could easily have scouted out any passwords/pins/account numbers/logins to porn sites he wanted to.

Seth or Brian have my vote. Particularly Brian because he was the other guy aside from Tim who got bonked in the burned out building who we all know is the guy with the mask. I think these things are related.

Edit: One thing that I do like supporting TTA is Jay's other personality is when TTA tells Jay "look at what you did." If Jay is TTA, that would be a blatant giveaway.

Still sticking with Brian, tho.

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:18 pm

Exetera
Boot

Joined: 07 Jan 2012
Posts: 44
Location: Where the rain is

Aesculapius wrote:

Look at the ease of which TTA breaks in and does recon.

We've only seen one burglary each from Hoody and Masky; they don't seem that much better at it than Jay, who's committed five on tape. Even if there have been other burglaries, though, that still shouldn't be enough to enable them to change passwords (most websites require you to re-enter the previous password for that) unless they're technically adept enough to install keyloggers. Jay also hasn't mentioned noticing any burglaries aside from the one in Entry 19.

Aesculapius wrote:

Edit: One thing that I do like supporting TTA is Jay's other personality is when TTA tells Jay "look at what you did." If Jay is TTA, that would be a blatant giveaway.

Nice, but not entirely sure it works out... We know that Jay is not (always?) Hoody regardless of his being a member of TTA. It might work if Jay gave the order, though.

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:23 pm

Baron von Poopy
Greenhorn

Joined: 02 Sep 2012
Posts: 6

Have we considered that Rocky might be TTA? Very Happy

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:17 pm

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