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[PUZZLE?] Metacortechs flash (revisited)
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ChainedLightning
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 		[PUZZLE?] Metacortechs flash (revisited)
We've seen the coding on the flash intro since the beginning and haven't been able to do anything with it... I thought maybe since we have a little more of the background story perhaps we can now? It is possible that Avery put the flash there before he left.

So, best I can tell, here is the coding

Quote:
this.x=(bw.ns4 || bw.undefined)? this.css.left:this.world.in.pain;
this.y=(bw.ns4 || bw.dreamlinestate)? this.css.top:this.css.pixelTop;



then later

Quote:
function b_showit(){this.cxl.visibility="community"}


and then later still

Quote:
{this.cxl.visibility="community"}


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So, time for some spec... "left this world in pain".... who was in pain? the person being talked about or the world?

And then we have "dreamlinestate" - I'm assuming that's not something you'd normally see in coding? I've never played around with flash so perhaps someone else could speak up about some of this?

And then the last two.. I'm assuming the first is a command to "show" what is in the brackets.. and the second is the computer doing that. A clue that they've written the the code to "show" us these things (which we knew anyway, computers don't normally show you things unless they are programmed to do so.. but then we have the garbage collector showing beth things, perhaps he was programmed to do so?)

And then finally we have "visibility=community" I think I could do a lot of spec'ing about that where it relates to the matrix... maybe.

Okay - anyone else want to run with this? If Avery put this here as a clue, what are we supposed to see from it. It's likely the employees just skip the intro when they go in so if small pieces of it were changed they might not see it.

And, if Avery didn't place the code there... then who did? Leak? MLO? Doesn't make sense.

Yet.

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 		Re: Metacortechs flash (revisited)
ChainedLightning wrote:
We've seen the coding on the flash intro since the beginning and haven't been able to do anything with it... I thought maybe since we have a little more of the background story perhaps we can now? It is possible that Avery put the flash there before he left.

So, best I can tell, here is the coding

Quote:
this.x=(bw.ns4 || bw.undefined)? this.css.left:this.world.in.pain;
this.y=(bw.ns4 || bw.dreamlinestate)? this.css.top:this.css.pixelTop;



then later

Quote:
function b_showit(){this.cxl.visibility="community"}


and then later still

Quote:
{this.cxl.visibility="community"}


-------------------

So, time for some spec... "left this world in pain".... who was in pain? the person being talked about or the world?

And then we have "dreamlinestate" - I'm assuming that's not something you'd normally see in coding? I've never played around with Java so perhaps someone else could speak up about some of this?

And then the last two.. I'm assuming the first is a command to "show" what is in the brackets.. and the second is the computer doing that. A clue that they've written the the code to "show" us these things (which we knew anyway, computers don't normally show you things unless they are programmed to do so.. but then we have the garbage collector showing beth things, perhaps he was programmed to do so?)

And then finally we have "visibility=community" I think I could do a lot of spec'ing about that where it relates to the matrix... maybe.

Okay - anyone else want to run with this? If Avery put this here as a clue, what are we supposed to see from it. It's likely the employees just skip the intro when they go in so if small pieces of it were changed they might not see it.

And, if Avery didn't place the code there... then who did? Leak? MLO? Doesn't make sense.

Yet.


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 		this.x=(bw.ns4 || bw.undefined)? this.css.left:this.world.in.pain;
this.y=(bw.ns4 || bw.dreamlinestate)? this.css.top:this.css.pixelTop;

I am ignorant as far as flash goes, but I think that the bw.* stuff is used as an object about which browser is being used, 'this' means the current object (self), the css stuff are just object (cascading style sheets), blah blah..

Being that whoever imbeded this data did so this way reminds me of wow, the name escapes me, c programs that are done to show off in one way or another (writing an entire program as a poem, or a story).

Okay, now I feel retarded, since I completely lost my train of thought.. :)

To me it looks like creative defacement or imbeding of easter eggs in the flash, I agree its probably a hint at something, but when I read it translate it in my head to obj.something = (expression)?undefined:undefined and wonder why they are bothering with any of it obj.something=0 seems easier. Since I seem to not be able to look at it as anything but real code I guess I'm not of much use on this :)
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 		Are you talking about the obfuscated (insert programming language here) contests?

(Edit)
Oops, I meant (programming language) poetry?

http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node=Perl%20Poetry

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 		OOP
yeahyeah wrote:
this.x=(bw.ns4 || bw.undefined)? this.css.left:this.world.in.pain;
this.y=(bw.ns4 || bw.dreamlinestate)? this.css.top:this.css.pixelTop;

Being that whoever imbeded this data did so this way reminds me of wow, the name escapes me, c programs that are done to show off in one way or another (writing an entire program as a poem, or a story).


yeahyeah wrote:

Being that whoever imbeded this data did so this way reminds me of wow, the name escapes me, c programs that are done to show off in one way or another (writing an entire program as a poem, or a story).


Object Oriented? the ns4 refers to Netscape Navigator version 4. I know there was a version of Netscape that got completely skipped because it was so bad, that they just scrapped it and started over. Forget what version it was.
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Sh1ft wrote:
Are you talking about the obfuscated (insert programming language here) contests?

(Edit)
Oops, I meant (programming language) poetry?

http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node=Perl%20Poetry


Wow - I had no idea such a thing existed... I'd copy and paste one of the poems but don't want to get into any copywrite issues... but I honestly never thought I'd see logic and poetry put together into one medium.

Okay... back to to the point... I'm trying to come at it from the viewpoint of 1) who would place the code there and 2) what would be their purpose in doing so.

My best spec is that the best place to hide something is in plain sight.

Most likely no metacortechs employees ever view the flash... they've seen it a dozen or more times already and they hit the *skip* link as soon as it pops up.

So, Avery knew someone was after him, and called Lynne and Jesse to meet him... is it possible that *he* put this up as a message to someone? I'm thinking that MLO might have known a bit of what was going on, perhaps a message to him? Maybe he was in Zurich looking for someone and THAT person left this world in pain?

The only other people I can think of would be leak (if he's the MC security AI) or MLO.

Or, I suppose our hacker friends could have done it.

I kind of doubt it would be Kat or Walsh though... they are trying to keep things normal, so I don't see them putting something like this "out there".

I'm pretty sure it was NOT: Wongmo, Phil, Beth, or Laika.

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yeahyeah wrote:
this.x=(bw.ns4 || bw.undefined)? this.css.left:this.world.in.pain;
this.y=(bw.ns4 || bw.dreamlinestate)? this.css.top:this.css.pixelTop;

I am ignorant as far as flash goes, but I think that the bw.* stuff is used as an object about which browser is being used, 'this' means the current object (self), the css stuff are just object (cascading style sheets), blah blah..


The puts the "dreamlinestate" in a better perspective.

It is saying, if it is netscape or dreamlinestate then blahblahblah.. the point being that it's seeing *dreamlinestate* as a way to access something?

Hmmmmmmmmmm

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ChainedLightning wrote:

Wow - I had no idea such a thing existed... I'd copy and paste one of the poems but don't want to get into any copywrite issues... but I honestly never thought I'd see logic and poetry put together into one medium.

Okay... back to to the point... I'm trying to come at it from the viewpoint of 1) who would place the code there and 2) what would be their purpose in doing so.


Okay, I don't know much about flash either, but I thought I'd come and hide out here for awhile, considering the state that general/updates is in.
As for the poetry/logic site - very cool Wink .
Now that I have that all out of the way - I agree, ChainedLightning, that the people who set up this flash are probably limited to Avery, MLO, the hackers and Leak (although I kind of fancy the idea of Laika trying to use a keyboard).
This seems to suggest that the purpose for doing so was either a call for help, or as a warning to others (but about what? Disappearing? Monitors?).
Not much help, I know, but as i said, I'm hiding out. shhh!

EDIT: Spelling
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Quote:
{this.cxl.visibility="community"}


I've been fascinated by the "cxl" part. What is "cxl"? Why is it hidden from everyone (I assume) and why would/should it be made visible to the community?

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Worker wrote:
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{this.cxl.visibility="community"}


I've been fascinated by the "cxl" part. What is "cxl"? Why is it hidden from everyone (I assume) and why would/should it be made visible to the community?


Well, according to google and this site (http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn?stage=1&word=cxl) it means "being ten more than one hundred thirty". Do with that what you will.
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 		The only meaning other than ^^ that I can find, is as a synonym for "cancelled" - a few sites seem to be using it in that context.

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King Mob wrote:
Well, according to google and this site (http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn?stage=1&word=cxl) it means "being ten more than one hundred thirty". Do with that what you will.


In the words of Neo... Whoa.

140 is close to 144.. and 144 would be a special kind of community.

And.. cancelled.. hmmm... "this cancelled community = visibility"

That's prolly closer.

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ChainedLightning wrote:
King Mob wrote:
Well, according to google and this site (http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn?stage=1&word=cxl) it means "being ten more than one hundred thirty". Do with that what you will.


In the words of Neo... Whoa.

140 is close to 144.. and 144 would be a special kind of community.

And.. cancelled.. hmmm... "this cancelled community = visibility"

That's prolly closer.


So... remove MetaCortechs and you get to see something?
Or, remove the reality they are living in currently, and see the "desert of the real"?
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 		Just thinking about this from a programers point of view. A lot of times when you create something, it is invisable. So one of your first requirements is to set visibility. "this.cxl.visibility", to me, would refer to the visibility of an object "cxl" contained within "this", usualy used as a temp variable. Sometimes "this" can be used to refer back to itself though. One other thing of note is visibility is usualy a boolean, not a string. It can be visible, or not. The string implies that it is visible within the community. Most people would call something like this "pseudo-code". It has the look and feel of a programing language without actualy being one. It is useful for explaining ideas without actualy having to go through the process of debuging code.

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