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punxtr
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 		AND.... I just figured something out.
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 		Ah...progress! What did you find?
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 		Well, it may require a little more thought, but it requires a Mercury board.

http://www.goddesschess.com/graphics/8x8polargramsc.jpg

I got to go jogging, so hopefully you can figure something out while I'm gone.
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 		Therein lies the problem with being a student...

I have class in the morning, so I'll think on it when I've got some free time and let you know if I think of anything, after I get some sleep.
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 		Okay, decisions was long but I got it done. The code is too long to post, so here is the message:


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the soft air just ruffled the water and caused a pleasant motion among the trees as we approached the shore, from which it wafted the most delightful scent of flowers and hay

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 		Nicely done Smile

I'm still looking at the quote to see how it can help, but overall Forest is falling apart without Father's influence. Perhaps we are supposed to realize that Forest would have such a difficult time without his father that it would be kinder to keep them together, even if it means he is punished for something he did not do. Thoughts?
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inkflamewriter wrote:
Thoughts?

There's one thing I'm not sure about: Are we to choose the choice that the clues point us towards, or are the clues here to provide alternate perspectives, background, etc. that would aid us in making our own decision?

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 		My first instinct would be to say that it gives us additional background, but they are definitely pushing us toward the other choice...I don't know Confused
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 		I believe it is our decision. The information given is there to allow us to make an educated choice. I for one, am still questioning what choice to make...

Until we figure out BtI, I am concerned about sending my choice. I have limited internet access now, but will use what I have to try and figure it out.

About the quote: This seems to be Victor's last moment of peace. IIRC, Elizabeth dies shortly after this event.
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 		Here is my reasoning for choosing both Father and Forest so I will amend (since it now seems we can?????) depending on the outcome of what BtI means.
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On 8 September 2011 18:27, <piaward> wrote:
> Watchman,
>
> You have asked whether the child-golem should pay for the sins of Father. In
> an ideal world the answer would be no. Why should should the innocent pay
> the price for what the guilty have done?
>
> But we do not live in an ideal world and experience shows that children do,
> time after time, suffer the consequences of their parents unthinking and at
> times malicious actions. This is terribly unfair especially since the guilty
> enjoy the fruits of their "crimes" and for the most part die a peaceful
> death without being punished - even by their own conscience - for what they
> did.
>
> So I am going to choose what appears to be the lesser of two evils.
>
> As I have argued before, Forest is like the "robin red-breast in a cage"
> that Blake spoke of. I suppose because he is a golem that is why he is
> unnaturally attached to Father in that way. I don't see how he can live a
> normal life however - which is what he himself has expressed he wants -
> until that link is severed.
>
> When you told me not to presume your actions I in fact thought that Father's
> disappearance was a test by Father to start helping Forest with that process
> of learning to exist separately from him the way human fathers and sons do.
> This anyway is what I would ordinarily advocate for.
>
> But severing that link in this case appears rather dangerous to me. He is a
> golem and if he gets angry about this (which, to me, would be perfectly
> understandable) he could create a great deal of destruction due to being so
> unjustly separated from his Father. No one except Father appears to be able
> to control him so this scenario would only lead to his eventual destruction
> by the green anyway.
>
> And severing that link before Father explains to him why he created him and
> for what purpose seems to be unusually cruel. Forest has from the begining
> been confused about his role and place in the world and destroying Father
> prematurely in this manner would result in an end to any possibility of
> understanding what this is.
>
> I am confused about Father. But time and time again I seemed to have been
> wrong about his intentions towards Forest. He created him out of various
> body parts of soldiers which is alarming, but then he used the mind of a
> WWII hero who was a champion of the weak to serve as his reasoning
> faculties. If Father intended to create a purely vicious being then I am
> sure he would've used the brain of a dead Nazi.
>
> At the very least too, allowing Father to live with enable him to explain
> the situation he has put Forest in, and some measure of justice can be
> accomplished in this particular case. The son will perhaps understand why he
> is being punished for the sin of his Father. Children can forgive their
> parents for the most unimaginable cruelties and find the courage to bear the
> consequences if their parent gives them an opportunity to do so by
> explaining to them the reasoning behind their actions however ill-conceived
> or thoughtless.
>
> Pia


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 		Very well written Smile

I haven't found anything on BtI, however I was attempting to translate the morse code that runs throughout the NLE Tractors video...will try again when I'm not fuzzy-headed from lack of sleep.

Also, a couple pages back, we found capitalized letters in two different messages, GESRS and ECNAVBH. Could they still have significance? Just trying to tie up some loose ends.
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 		I already solved the Morse. Check several posts back, or I solved it in the other thread.
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 		Wow...fail on my part. I spent the better part of yesterday evening reading through all three threads from the beginning and never saw it Embarassed

Anyway, I have no clue with the "I", but I do know that "Bt" is an abbreviation for Baronet. There are an overwhelming number of things that "I" is the abbreviation for, but at least there's a possible first half.

Edit: I just looked at the last email I received again:

Quote:
Interesting - the loss of Forest's Father has created gaps in Forest's memory and thought patterning as well.
While we are not concerned with the thoughts of man per se, we thought you mind find these lost snippets of use:

The 'I' of the BtI that he was deliberating on is incomplete - 'I' contains much more information that becomes invisible when translated into something else.
For example, with quartz and fibre cable manipulations, I arranged on a chess board becomes SQIE rather than SQ==
Of course - man chose 0s and 1s for his computer devices being a linear creature - nature favours a more honey-sweet pattern...

The Watchman


The part I put in bold is the important part. SQ== is base64 for "I". I think we might have something if we could figure out how "I arranged on a chessboard becomes SQIE".

Also with this:

Quote:
error hex error around error symbols error translate error error error again again again error numbers error ten error x x x x x x x x x x


Otherwise seen as:

Quote:
hex around symbols translate again again again numbers ten


When we find the hex code, I bet it'll be a triple layer code. Based on the "xxxxxxxxxx" at the end (I counted ten), we're looking for a sequence of ten numbers...
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 		Yay, double posting again...

From Twitter:

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My headache has faded for now - but during I realised that one leads to the next to the next. what is BtI in hex? Something to do with 10...


BtI in hex is only seven numbers, so I really don't get the connection here.

Edit: Mentioned to him in response to his tweet. I then got two DMs. Well, three, but only two showed up in email. I can't read them on Twitter, apparently, because he's not following me. Here they are:

Quote:
OOG the green sent out a message about missing bit of info on the 'I' - it'll take a bit more work but you should get ten numbers...

OOG this PM is sorry this one didn't work out so well - given the next step for you all... sorry to all players... PM


I made that first connection with the email, but that was about it. I'm kinda interested now to know how it was supposed to work. Anyway, here's the next step:

Quote:
error error01error 00error 001error 001error 11error 100error 010010error 010error 000error 001error 00error 000error 01error 00 error error


The binary doesn't translate well, so I'm stuck Confused
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 		Got it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ftmn/4274490204/

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/right-in-two-lyrics-tool/219d4f4fe24efdba4825715e004ec26b

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLjrD-oXkhA
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