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punxtr
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 		Food for thought on the latest email:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oriel#Etymology (location?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalungur (Aussie myth)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatayu (Hindu God)

This: "J. I. M. Stewart - Scottish author whose pen name was Michael Innes."

Just got started.

"In the Hindu culture these windows and balconies projected from the street front, providing an area in which women could peer out and see the activities below while remaining invisible."

"Oriel College, Oxford took its name from a balcony or oriel window forming a feature of a property which occupied the site the college now stands on."
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 		I noticed the email had a bunch of letters underlined. Unless I'm reading it wrong, it says this:

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etymology of pen


Well, this is it:

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pen (1)
"writing implement," c.1300, from O.Fr. penne "quill pen, feather," from L. penna "feather," from PIE *petna-, suffixed form of base *pet- "to rush, fly" (see petition). From the same base comes suffixed form *petra-, source of Skt. patram "wing, feather," Gk. pteron "wing," O.C.S. pero "pen," O.N. fjöðr, O.E. feðer (see feather). In later French, this word means only "long feather of a bird," while the equivalent of English plume is used for "writing implement," the senses of the two words thus reversed from what they are in English. The verb is late 15c., from the noun. Pen-pal (also pen pal) first recorded 1938, gradually replacing earlier pen-friend (1933). Pen-and-ink (adj.) is attested from 1670s. Pen name is recorded from mid-19c.


The thing I noticed was the relation to the word "feather". With the mention of Wales, it kinda made me think of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_of_Wales%27s_feathers

That's the very same thing that shows up on the gate of Oriel College. Add to that this quote that just stuck out at me:
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Since a key factor in the English army's defeat of the French was the use of Welsh archers, it may have been Edward's pride in the men of Wales which led him to use a symbol of their victory as his emblem. The motto is German "Ich Dien" (= "I serve"), which is a near-homophone for the Welsh language phrase "Eich Dyn" meaning "Your Man", which would have helped endear the young Black Prince to the Welsh soldiers in particular.

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 		If we are to go from Wales to India, this may be a possible link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashtriya_Indian_Military_College

Has the feathers again.

Edit: And perhaps, following the etymology clue, oriel comes for aureus.
Which was a form of currency in the Roman Empire.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/aureus
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 		"The denarius is believed by scholars to have been a Roman soldier's daily pay."

Forest was made from dead soldiers.
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Subject: 32 hours remain

yet we have not been tickled by any answer you have come up with...

We must reckon Forest's energy with our own at the time of balance. If humanity cannot save him by then - then he will remain forever with us...

We so desire to show you the plant you seek, but we are bound by our rules...
We have tried to "send a message through colorful images, full of sound, to express the beauty of the creative life and create a virtuous space in the world for all humans to feel better" but we will soon run out of time - as will you...

Be like the botanist we mentioned - look close at the gate and follow the trail... soon...

The Watchman.


Honestly, I'm starting to see the connection between things, but not how they lead to an energy source.

Edit: The quote was spoken by this person: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vu_Thi_Hoang_My

The part that stuck out at me:
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Vũ Hoàng My, which translates in English to "Golden Feather of a Bird"...

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 		Mentioned the feathers to The Watchman...

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The feathers are a name alone...
find other names that match them...
different peoples call things by different names - if only you had an idea where they were from...

The Watchman


Then the Prince of Wales and the three versions of the motto on his crest:

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Many serve - but yes, the Prince served us well.
As such his title and that which you have noted was given to what you seek.
Though the words you used are a motto, not a name or noun; look there now.
As for the strength and conscience - it seems ironic that what you now seek stem from both?
When you find the immortality granter, you will know it by its names.

Until then - you seek, you find. You do not find - it was not meant to be...
The darkening is getting too much now - we rest to reserve our energies for the dawn in one day...

The Watchman

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 		Feather:

bluen (Welsh)
pankh (Indian)
pluma (Latin)
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 		A thought to get people going...

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According to legend, the Black Prince obtained the arms from the blind John I of Bohemia, against whom he fought in the Battle of Crécy in 1346. After the battle, the prince went to the body of the dead king (whom he admired for his bravery) and took his helmet lined with ostrich feathers. The feathers and the dead king's motto made up the prince's new badge and came to be used by subsequent Princes of Wales.


strength + conscience -> bravery -> immortality in history

A bit of a stretch, but I think it's the right direction
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 		Perhaps the Pinnate?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinnate

Also, I recall a botanist being mentioned-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Linnaeus
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/ext/plants_named.html

Maybe?

Other thoughts: Feather to pluen, to pankh to "Mayur pankh":
http://chandigarh.gov.in/green_botanical.htm
http://www.evergreenplantnursery.com/Compacta-Oriental-Arborvitae-Thuja-p/arbcom1.htm
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 		I'm not sure about your last link, but when I looked at the botanical garden website and searched "mayur pankh", it led to the common name for this plant:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tephrosia_purpurea
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 		That looks good, since it linked into some other things I found last night.

feather - pluen - पंख - Wing or alae

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/alae
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either of the two side petals of a flower in the legume family, as the pea.


And the Tephrosia is a part of the legume family.
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The Fabaceae (or Leguminosae) are a large and economically important family of flowering plants, which is commonly known as the legume family, pea family, bean family or pulse family.


Edit: And since we are looking for a power source, maybe this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhizobia
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 		I think I see where you're going with that, especially considering this:

Wikipedia wrote:
The word rhizobia comes from the Ancient Greek ῥίζα, rhíza, meaning "root" and βίος, bios, meaning "life".


However, the issue I see with it is mainly that we're talking about someone made of dead soldiers. That is a bacteria that requires a plant as a host.

Generally speaking, though, I overthink things, so that could be the case for this as well.
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The balance of time and energy soon comes.
We ask all of you to look for one last push - try to find the plant that will help your friend
Else he will be gone from your world.

You hold the feathers too tightly we fear - you do not realise who they belong to. Not what, but who.

Do not get confused by our words too much either though - continue in the same manner - just look elsewhere - and soon...

The Watchman.


Thoughts?
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 		Apologies for not contributing much over the past few days; life became quite hectic to say the least. >.<

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You hold the feathers too tightly we fear - you do not realise who they belong to. Not what, but who.


Might this be saying that feathers lead to birds (who own feathers)? The 83 hours and counting... email makes reference to "Yalungur and Jatayu," the former being an eagle/hawk and the latter having a vulture form.

Edit: Took out links since punxtr already linked them ^_^

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 		More info on the tale:

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Edward bore (as an alternative to his differenced royal arms) a shield of Sable, three ostrich feathers argent, described as his 'shield for peace': this probably means it was the shield he used for jousting. These arms can be seen several times on his tomb chest in Canterbury Cathedral, alternating with his royal arms. His younger brother, John of Gaunt, used a similar coat on which the ostrich feathers were ermine.


They are ostrich feathers.

Oh yeah, the feathers belong to the Prince of Wales. What plant belongs to the Prince? Juniper.

http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/plants/1674/prince-of-wales-juniper.php

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