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King Mob
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BriEnigma wrote:
On the other hand, maybe Kat really is transferring to the Zurich office.


I doubt she's really transferring to their Zurich office; if she was, wouldn't MetaCortechs provide a little more information, as opposed to saying none was available?
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BriEnigma wrote:
She had some sort of dealings with Agent Jones (we're unsure of the exact nature of those dealings, but the involved Beth).

Still vague, but whatever she gave to the Agents about Beth had to do with the "pattern":
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Meeting went well? Handed over file, included information on the pattern. Have not heard back. Were they pleased? Will I need more?

I think the Agents, if they communicate with Monitors, know what the pattern means (GC), so that's probably what they wanted to instruct her on.
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Ok, I have one that it's really wild and I've been thinking since the game started, now that thw whole Wongmo=Walsh came up I remembered it:
Is just me or anyone else see a plug in Walsh's ear in his directory picture?

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BriEnigma wrote:
Now, assuming she is alive, she is in Zurich. Wasn't Avery there, too? He disappeared sometime on or around his Zurich trip. On the other hand, maybe Kat really is transferring to the Zurich office.


Actually, Avery's "retirement" was announced a year after his Zurich trip. This trip seems very strange...let's see what we know about it...

Beth was there

Dim met with them

They...came back...?

Beth said on AIM that she doesn't think anything strange happened there. She seemed confused when I asked.

Oh, and then there's the stuff Ormond wrote about the trip in his metadex. Avery reconfirmed his flight and abandoned his luggage? Why would he do that, and why doesn't Beth seem to know anything about it?

If this is a year before his disappearence, I don't think the strange Matrix-related things could have started happening yet. I mean, after Jesse told him about his discovery, he couldn't have taken a whole year to think it over. I dunno...I'm confused.

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This is what Beth says about the Zurich trip:
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The last time I saw him [Dimitri] was when he took James and I to the airport for our return to the states. We stopped at a little café and had so much fun that we missed our flight.

Not that it sheds any light on anything. They both missed some flight. If Avery went "to set up temporary office" in Zurich to oversee the "new project", that could have well taken a year (which is how I interpreted it from the beginning, except I thought it was a convenient cover for his disappearance before he even made it to Zurich). Beth could have flew in a few times; and it is entirely possible that Avery returned to the states a few times during that year - one of these times he could have been returning together with Beth (and they both missed the flight). Which is why Beth says that nothing strange happened there.

"Luggage aband." is dated 01/02 (/03, more than likely). Some "extension granted" 01/07 - what is that? Metacortechs announces his resignation 2 days before that - so it can't be their attempt to cover up for his disappearance by pretending his trip was extended.

I don't know how to fit "luggage aband." with what Jesse tells Ethan:
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Jesse turned to his father, who was a bigwig at a computer company for help. After looking into things, dad called Jesse and said he needed to meet with him and his mother right away. To make a long story short, somebody was waiting for them, and his parents were taken into custody, and Jesse was able to escape using his mother's car.

That doesn't sound like Avery disappeared at the airport... oh, wait... unless James called Jesse from Zurich, told him and Lynne to come pick him up from the airport (i.e. meet right away), and that's where they were "taken into custody", but Jesse managed to escape. That also explains "somebody was waiting for them" - of course, at the airport, which is easier to guess than some other random meeting place.
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out to lunch wrote:
My turn for some Emerson=Avery=Nekoda speculation...

Everything we know about the Emersons is documented in a time frame between 1988 (their marriage) and 12/29/2001 - the date of the agent photos, etc.

The only timeline we have for James and Lynne Avery is that they disappeared in January of this year, 2003.

So here is my wild spec on all this...

Ryan and Sylvie Emerson were the original two. They had a boy named Jesse. Something funky happened in 2001 that forced the system to reprogram all three of their lives. Ryan Emerson becomes James Avery, Sylvi becomes Lynne and for some reason Jesse's first name stays the same. All their background and history was successfully erased by the Garbage Collector - except for the CDs that it did not know about.

Then for about two years everything is fairly cool until, for some reason, it hits the fan again and the system has to go and reprogram everyone again. Except this time there's a problem. Jesse gets away and the Garbage Collector doesn't clean up like he should have. James becomes Ethan, Lynne becomes Dina but Jesse is still Jesse.

So the Nekodas stumble across the CDs and think they are the Emersons, which they are, but they're also the Averys.

Alright, I admit that it is weak, but maybe there's something there... Smile


I donīt think itīs all that weak - I like this theory....unless we are convinced otherwise by events, Iīll go with this.

Aqua

EDIT: - OK, next time Iīll read the whole thread first...still like the theory, I wonder if the CD note could still make sense somehow....(likeable theory, wonīt let go, wonīt let go!!)

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I already am otherwise convinced by the events. Actually, I put everything that wraps up the story for the moment in this document that I attach. It seems to me that the most simple and rational atm expalnation is exactly what they say - Jesse found something big, bigger than Metacortex, probably. Told his dad about it, and then the agents/monitors caught them, but Jesse escaped, went to Emersons, etc.

GC "cleaned them up", but "something went wrong". As we have no idea what that "something" is, I think it is still reasonable to suspect that the Averes are not dead, as Beth thinks. And, of course, it is still unknown what happened to Dina.

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(Psst... Yanka.... You forgot the attachment...) Or am i blind and missed it? Did you attach it on a previous post?

[Nevermind! There it is now.]
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Primal, I did forget it - sorry. Actually, given how forgetful I am lately, I probably missed something in there, so if anybody has any other "evidence" to add, I'd appreciate it Smile
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Okee. This is a spec theory formulated in IRC tonight by lots of people. I take credit for very little of it, just the idea. Very Happy

1. From Ethan blog: "somebody was waiting for them, and his parents were taken into custody, and Jesse was able to escape using his mother's car. ... he told the couple what had happened, showed them some pictures he'd been able to take."

2. Pics in the CDs left by Ryan Emerson about the Agent encounter. Woman being taken over by Agent in car (seatbelt = in car). Dated 12/29/2001

Conclusion: The pics were taken by Jesse. The woman is Lynne. Ryan has them because Jesse gave them to him. He put them away for safekeeping/evidence.

Now, looking at the dates...
12/29/2001 - Averys are taken, Jesse goes to Nekodas
01/04/2002 - James takes trip to Zurich.

Ha...look at the description from Metacortex...
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MetaCortex CEO James Avery will be personally overseeing a new as of yet unannounced project, and will be setting up a temporary office in the MetaCortex regional offices in Zurich, Switzerland. There was no word on what this new project is, or the time frame that will be involved.
Sounds totally fabricated to me.
Temporary office = it didn't exist before and won't exist afterwards...so no one at Zurich office to wonder why he isn't there.
No idea about the time frame = they don't know how long they'll have to maintain the cover-up, or they may just be giving themselves time to stall...

more dates...
01/05/2003 - Avery "announces retirement"
07/27/2003 - Dina's first post on her blog, so the new identities are set up and Jesse's on his own by now

So, the cool thing about the photos is that they give us a date for the Averys' disappearence. James was gone by 12/29, Metacortex sent him on a random trip about a week later. This would explain why Ormond was obsessing over the Zurich trip in his heismissing notes....it was the last time anyone had heard from James.

Beth and James had had some sort of disagreement, and she wasn't surprised that she didn't hear from him again. She said as much in chat.

So Jesse would have been with the Nekodas anywhere from a little over a year to 1 year and 7 months. Long enough for Dina to think he was her son, especially since they were family friends and she may have known him from birth.

Questions:
1. How did Jesse get the Dimitri file pics? (which include the heismissing pic)
2. We know Dimitri is a family friend who knew Jesse (Beth said so)...is he now a good guy or a bad guy? He's from Zurich, it seems, so you'd think he'd have noticed that Avery wasn't there. Also, why'd he go rat to Ormond about Jesse?
3. What is up with Ormond, anyway? He seems to have some sort of grudge against Avery...why were we told that info?
4. Did someone actually go on the Zurich flight? What exactly happened with that? Luggage abandoned implies that someone brought the luggage there...?

Also, I attached a pic of sheismissing and the woman-being-taken-over-by-an-Agent for comparison purposes. I'm aware it's hard to tell, but the hair and cheeks look similar.
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BriEnigma wrote:
Okay, so what's up with Zurich? Kat says to MLO in a Metadex message "I will be unavailable on Thursday, as I will be meeting in Zurich as we discussed and returning to the states on Friday." We know SOMETHING is up. Something happened at The Aquapolis (but we don't know if she was killed, staged a fake death, or otherwise). She had some sort of dealings with Agent Jones (we're unsure of the exact nature of those dealings, but the involved Beth). Her employee directory listing says "transferred." It seemed like she was trying to disconnect Beth from other living beings (the mom and dog).

Now, assuming she is alive, she is in Zurich. Wasn't Avery there, too? He disappeared sometime on or around his Zurich trip. On the other hand, maybe Kat really is transferring to the Zurich office.

The suspense! The intrigue! The paranoia! It's killing me! Is Kat a good-guy, a bad-guy, or just plain neutral?


And don't forget AQN has ties there..

Maybe what really happen was there was a seminar by Wongmo in Zurich, and Kat was there partying, and ran into Avery, and they had a good time, then Avery's wife found out, so she wanted a divorce. But the whole thing was set up by Walsh (using katgirl), then he hires katgirl at metacortechs to continue doing his dirty deeds for him such as investigating MLO and Beth, Katgirl gets close to MLO but realizes he's just a dirty old man, so she moves onto Beth, and becomes infatuated with her dog, so she steals her dog, and paints another dog to look like Laika, and has a wireless mic installed so she can hear what Beths up to. While beth was in the woods with AI man, katgirl was too busy listening to AI man, and got trapped in the aquapolis and drowned, missing out on hearing about her possible book/movie deal that she was selling to Agent Jones.. Agent Jones will become frustrated and seek out Beth, and actually manage to protect her from Walsh's evil plan... AQN of course is a Walsh groupie and his job is to help Walsh recoup money that they overpay employees that don't ever seem to work on anything (such as beth).

I'll bet that I have it 100% correct.. =)
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Ok... here's some wild spec

GC sets up his limbo world where he sends people who he is to collect. They are all given the same abilities that he offered the hacker group, to come back as ghost for a certain amount of time -- if they stay too long, they become detectable. The one catch is that they appear in the same place that they originally return to limbo. That being said, James Avery, while in Zurich, gets captured by agents and brought down to The Aquapolis. He is brought down to the Delos level where GC is. GC sends him off to the limbo world. Now when James comes back, he has computer access down on the Delos level and is hacking right along with Caesar (Don't know which one...) and finds out passwords, including all of KC's. So each time he tries to come back and escape, he is stuck down on the Delos level and can't get out.

The Aquapolis is a detention center for James Avery.

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Jesse, Marcus, Dmitri and the message

Omnie wrote:
1. How did Jesse get the Dimitri file pics? (which include the heismissing pic)
2. We know Dimitri is a family friend who knew Jesse (Beth said so)...is he now a good guy or a bad guy? He's from Zurich, it seems, so you'd think he'd have noticed that Avery wasn't there. Also, why'd he go rat to Ormond about Jesse?

It does work this way, but I've always imagined it could be the other way around: Ormond and Jesse are in contact, both are looking for Avery. Jesse passes the pictures he took of his parents' 'removal' to Ormond, who is supposed to pass them onto Dmitri when he visits, since he should have been one of the last ones to see Avery, if there is any truth at all to Avery having been in Zurich for a time after Jesse sees them 'taken away'.

The tapestry message is signed -J. We know Jesse and Ormond are both in Redland, whereas Dmitri spends most of his time in Europe and is only visiting Redland. We know Jesse would have no trouble getting his .zip file to Dmitri through electronic network means. But Jesse might be afraid that it will get intercepted by those digital wolves he was avoiding. So he gives the zipfile to Ormond who is supposed to give to Dmitri in person during his visit, perhaps on a (da-da-daaa) floppy disk. Ormond stupidly uploads it on his MetaDex, apparently not a very secure place to put things Wink .

Omnie wrote:
3. What is up with Ormond, anyway? He seems to have some sort of grudge against Avery...why were we told that info?
4. Did someone actually go on the Zurich flight? What exactly happened with that? Luggage abandoned implies that someone brought the luggage there...?

Does Ormond have a grudge against Avery? Is that the reading of the letter asking Ormond to go to stay in Redland rather than go to the far east? I'm not sure what that letter means. I have a suspicion though that the reason he has both the letter and Jesse's ID card on his MetaDex (both uploaded on the same day, Nov. 13th) is perhaps because Ormond is wondering if Avery knew that something might happen to him, and wanted Ormond in town to keep an eye on Jesse (and corporate affairs too) if anything did happen to him. We need to see some interaction between Jesse and Ormond to sort that out.

In Jesse's tapestry message, who is he saying that his father trusted ... Avery or Dmitri? What path did the message take? Was it Jesse -> Dmitri -> Ormond or Jesse -> Ormond -> Dmitri? We still don't know. One thing that sways me is the filename, dmitri.zip. That seems like a good name for a file that Ormond will give to Dmitri. If I'm Dmitri, I don't show up with a file named dmitri.zip. Of course, Ormond could have renamed it before placing it on his MetaDex ... but the timing of the appearance of the file, in coordination with a visit from someone from Europe suggests to me meeting in person and the passing of a floppy disk with a zipfile on it.

It's hard to know if Ormond knows more than he has let on, or if he too is genuinely looking for Avery. There may have been a cover up of Avery's disappearance for corporate reasons: Having your CEO suddenly vanish can be very unhealthy for a corporation financially, so it may have been necessary for them to fabricate a story and create a smooth transition of power. Someone at MC may have created that fiction, and Ormond wasn't in on it. That would explain why he is apparently trying to figure out what happened to Avery on the way to Zurich. It'd be interesting to know what Dmitiri had to say: He may have told Ormond that Avery never arrived, or Dmitri may be in on it and tells him a tale, or maybe they're both in on it and Ormond never bothered passing the message to Dmitri because he knows its a fiction. Based on Ormond's notes on the ismissing printouts, I think he's genuinely trying to figure out what happened to Avery. Unless his investigation is an audit, a check to see how well the story will hold if anyone else looks hard at it.

It seems unlikely that MetaCortex is actually responsible for Avery's disappearance: Now that we know what we know about Beth's friend, it seems more than likely that MC is not actually responsible, but someone there has taken prudent steps to protect the value of the corporation by creating this story of Avery going off to Europe and quietly slipping away into retirement.

Jesse saw his parents get taken away by some nasty looking guys. For a long time (until recently) he may not have known what happened next. He may even have believed the MetaCortex story about his father being in Europe at some point thereafter. I could see this as being a reason for why he'd try to get this message to Dmitri (or just Ormond). If Ormond was in on the MC 'Avery goes to Europe' coverup, he may not have had the guts to tell Jesse that the Zurich story is a sham, and no one has seen Avery since the day he was 'taken away'. If Ormond was not in on it, then his interaction with Dmitri might have been genuine, and he may just have passed Jesse's message onto Dmitri.

Oh ... one more thing: You remember how much fun we had with the tapestry, right ? I assume Jesse wanted the recipient to be able to read that message. Either he has remarkable faith in the recipient's resourcefulness and persistance, or he gave them the key somehow. It's really dumb to put the key with the message, but he could have told Ormond the key verbally ("it's called BetaMaze" or "look up BetaMaze" or "betamaze.250x.com"). If he sent the message to Dmitri he would have had a serious problem as to how to communicate the key to the tapestry safely. Or maybe it's hidden in the zipfile or other files inside somehow ... de-steganographers, do your work Very Happy
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Re: Jesse, Marcus, Dmitri and the message

xnbomb wrote:
It'd be interesting to know what Dmitiri had to say


Have we searched for a Dimitri metedex account? I couldn't find it in a search.

(and, yes, I know you're interested in knowing what he had to say face to face to him.. but I still think there would be a lot to learn from seeing his emails.. assuming he uses metadex)

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Re: Jesse, Marcus, Dmitri and the message

xnbomb wrote:

It seems unlikely that MetaCortex is actually responsible for Avery's disappearance: Now that we know what we know about Beth's friend, it seems more than likely that MC is not actually responsible, but someone there has taken prudent steps to protect the value of the corporation by creating this story of Avery going off to Europe and quietly slipping away into retirement.


Why on earth would MetaCortex create this rediculous explanation if they weren't responsible? If they know nothing about the disappearance, they would simply say "Our CEO is missing, and we hope he's OK"... Making up some excuse is only an attempt to cover their tracks... MetaCortex was either responsible for what happened on purpose or by accident, but either way, they've got to be involved somehow.

I don't think they would lie about it if they had nothing to do with it. What would they stand to lose? Whether they make up the story or not, in both scenarios Avery disappears - either in the US or in Zurich. I'm not clear as to how one of those 2 scenarios is more "damaging" to the company than the other.

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