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[VIDEO] Entry #41
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sketchy_dog
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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Everyone who has based theories about #41 off Troy's blog should go look at it now.


PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 12:58 pm
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ok, popped the images into my Photoshop and went to town on them. lol


I dub this guy Sadsky after looking at his mask, which is kinda derpy looking honestly.... I don't think the red is actual eye holes, and there seems to be a wrinkle in the mask, like it's a cloth mask of some sort... which would make one wonder why he would need his hood up.


Could be just a mirror image of Sadsky, based on the window shape behind him, which is more indicative of a door window, than a back window... but if it's not him, I dub this guy Mirrory.

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Lucifox
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can see masky to the right of the waterfall at 2:01

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People are going to keep arguing back and forth about whether to use Build-based theorizing or OOG Troy's blog-based theorizing to determine who the crap Black Attack is, but I feel that due to the info on Troy's blog, while of course not conclusive in anyway any information based on appearance (other than perhaps the clothing/mask) is potentially contaminated, and therefore useless.

SEEING AS THAT IS THE CASE, it seems only fair to pull on the wealth of other information we have to determine wtf is going on here. So let's break it down character-by-character, shall we?

Tim: Can't be, he's not limping. Probably the easiest denouncement of a possibility EVER in Marble Hornets. And as we can see from Hotel Strike, Tim would certainly still be limping (if not unable to move) at this point.

Jessica: Possibly the first time in season 2 that I think this is even remotely possible. Yes, Senior Blacko seems to be a pretty big, but that's what hoodies DO to people. Plus, there's the already established tenuous connection between her and Rosswood (spelling?). Additionally, (depending on your interpretation) it could be said that Jessica gives Jay access to the tapes in his room, and so returning his camera would continue this pattern. However, I really don't believe this is true.

Jay: As much as I despise this theory, I have to admit it is semi-possible. The blank period between entries 40 and 41 would seem to grant Jay enough time to grab a previously-stashed bag of clothes. However, most of the support for this theory seems to be that "He got into Jay's car so easily! It must be Jay!" But, as you can Clearly see in the video, Blacktastic doesn't unlock the door before opening it, meaning that it was never locked anyway. So that point is moot.

Alex: This is the one I'm currently throwing my weight behind. Alex knew he was going to Rosswood, and Frowny Face clearly planned for Jay to show up, in that he was hiding with a camera ready. Plus, Alex's creepertastic tactics lately have just been screaming ULTERIOR MOTIVES to me, which rather puts him (at least in my mind) with the highest probability to be Blacko-rama.

And for those doubting that this IS TTA or saying it's just a "member", three points:
1. The figure in Intermission is clearly new mask.
2. The "pan" in Intermission is the exact duplicate as Masque Noir's pan in Entry 41 over the tree tops.
3. TTA asks in the video "Did you see ME", so he's only referring to one individual. Therefore, TTA = George.

(Long post is long. But hello everyone! I've missed you!)

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YamaKami wrote:
Aha! Further evidence that TTA is not Tim. I feel like they're really trying to make this point clear to us - pointing us away from one wrong answer in preparation for the reveal. And I don't see any reason Hoody would be anyone but TTA, considering the contents of Intermission. People even theorized back then that TTA would go pick up Jay's camera (man, we are good at this! XD).

Alex is being extremely suspicious, isn't he - leading Jay to Rosswood where both the Operator and TTA are waiting. An idea just struck me: What if this is similar to a Ring-type deal? Maybe Alex has to give the Operator somebody else to stalk to get him off his back.

Throughout season 2, TTA has seemed more and more hostile towards Alex. It started with tearing up a picture of his face in Fragments (I've speculated that the "you are broken" line refers to Alex). The phrase "enjoying watching you suffer" in Broadcast could be referring to Alex getting stabbed in #35. Then he calls Alex a liar in Sidetone. All of this plus Alex's violence towards Tim has made me extremely distrustful. I think he is up to no good.

So if Alex is trying to feed poor, hapless Jay to the Operator, then maybe TTA is trying to keep that from happening. That would explain why TTA follows Jay around, why he warns Jay about Alex, and even why Masky lunged past Jay to stab Alex (assuming a TTA/Masky alliance). It also explains TTA's completely non-threatening and even helpful gesture of returning Jay's camera to him.

And lastly, my top guesses for TTA remain Brian and Jessica.

This is all just my own speculation, of course. But at the moment, it's making a lot of sense to me.


I think, of all the theories I've read, I like yours the best.

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Let me point out an error of mine, and some other's.

Troy only said Tim was helping with the shoot. Nothing said he'd be playing Pandaman in this shoot, guys. Kinda forgot that detail. ^^' Sorry, Troy!

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I hate to bring up the Operator in the waterfall!!!! thing again and I think I've been kind of beat to it but I'm gonna go with the belief that that is a reflection of the Operator. I can clearly see three whitish dots (head and hands). Right after the camera focuses on it there's a tiny bit of distortion (sounds like a low beep boop) and then Hoody/Blasky/Sadsky/George suddenly looks behind/around him and gets the heck out of there.

SORRY IF THIS WAS REALLY OBVIOUS ALREADY?? AND FEEL FREE TO PROVE ME WRONG. I just made an account just to post this aha.

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For the record, I believe Hoody is TTA. Whoever that may be.

One thing I'm noting is the relatively small amount of glitching in the video. There's a visual tear now and then, but the audio distortion doesn't start until the very end. TTA has similar effects to our faceless chum and Tim, but they don't appear in his videos at all.

What if the distortions, the tears, the glitches aren't part of a warning system? What if the Maskies, the Operator, and TTA can turn it on and off at will? They throw it up to confuse/terrify/alarm people who might be trying to track them, but they can shut it off and blend in with crowds if they have to. I don't remember which Entry it was where Tim was interviewed (That was Tim, right?) but I don't recall any distortions there. And the earliest Slender Man sightings didn't have them either, did they?

If we assume that Slendy was just scouting Alex out at the time of the original encounters, not trying to strike fear into him but gauging him as a victim, that might explain it. Tim, if he was Masky back then (because who knows when he became a Masky?), didn't throw up his anti-electronics aura because he was trying to blend in with everyone. And TTA, in this video, was making a point.

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it's possible that this guy can be an older version of the Spongebob kid, a person able to omit himself from time, thus his face being gone here. He wears a hoodie to cover his product placement shirt and to lay low.

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Ish wrote:
One thing I'm noting is the relatively small amount of glitching in the video. There's a visual tear now and then, but the audio distortion doesn't start until the very end.

There's plenty of background noise all over, and there's a part where the contrast starts off as oddly high and then drops to normal.

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sketchy_dog wrote:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Everyone who has based theories about #41 off Troy's blog should go look at it now.

I still don't think we should be making assumptions based on build at this point, just in case.

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Gah the level of over-thought and here is aggravating.

It is Totheark. Period. This reveal has been building since Entry 39.

Entry 39: Jay sleeps in his car, and we see footage of someone slowly walk by, and never see a face.

Forecast: Totheark's response to Entry 39, where he shows Jay that he was the one walking by, and that he deliberately watched Jay sleep. He then hints that Slenderman will appear in the next entry.

Entry 40: Jay goes into the forest, encounters Slenderman, drops his camera and runs away.

Intermission: Totheark's response to Entry 40, where he says "I WAS THERE WATCHING THE WHOLE TIME, DIDJA SEE ME?!"

Entry 41: Someone picks up the camera after Jay drops it, walks through the forest, takes the camera back to Jay's car, and at the last moment we finally see the ...face... of Totheark. Entry 39 through 41 are all the same event at that park, and Totheark has explicitly stated he was there, and 41 demonstrates that he picked up the camera and took it to the car.

Black Mask is Totheark. Period. To think otherwise is to ignore the facts and overthink things to a ridiculous degree.

The important revelation is the confirmation that Tim/Masky is NOT Totheark. They are separate entities. Also, that Totheark wears a black mask contrasting Tim's white mask.

Now for my speculation.
Totheark is Brian: Revealed via the Advocate video. The significance of this video has never been revealed, unless it's significance is telling us back then that Brian is Totheark. It's the first time we see that weird S logo. Brian's house is also torn up and abandoned, and has weird teleportation properties. Perhaps Brian was taken to the Ark, but was kicked out, and now see's that Jay is involved, and believes he can lead him back.

OR

Totheark is Seth: Seth disappeared in Entry 22, perhaps being taken temporarily to the Ark, glimpsing it, and now he's obsessed with returning, and is using Jay to return.

OR

Totheark is Alex: Alex has been driven stark raving mad by his encounters with Slenderman. The "Help!" at the end of Entry 26 is a legitimate cry for help. The ultimate goal here isn't clear, and may even be a split personality thing going on, but he's pushing Jay towards something, both directly as Alex, and indirectly as Totheark.

I'm also willing to speculate at this point that a Mask will protect you from Slenderman. Or at least obscuring your eyes, as demonstrated in Return.

At this point, I'm almost willing to say that Tim, though certainly insane, is NOT the bad guy here. He may just be trying to stop something terrible from happening. Whatever Totheark is leading Jay towards may be something horrible, and Tim is trying to stop it.

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Lucifox wrote:
can see masky to the right of the waterfall at 2:01


I'm pretty sure that's just a leaf... >_>

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ArkyMcArkArk wrote:
Jessica: Possibly the first time in season 2 that I think this is even remotely possible. Yes, Senior Blacko seems to be a pretty big, but that's what hoodies DO to people. Plus, there's the already established tenuous connection between her and Rosswood (spelling?). Additionally, (depending on your interpretation) it could be said that Jessica gives Jay access to the tapes in his room, and so returning his camera would continue this pattern. However, I really don't believe this is true.


Also, the high pitched audio distortion as Blasky (I'm liking that option) walks into frame is very much like the audio when Jessica is in shot during entry #30. Compare this to the lower pitched static Tim creates in #20. Might be nothing, but if we're adding up reasons to suspect each candidate then its worth considering.


Also, I'd like to add my voice to those that think the colour scheme is significant - certainly the black face suggests opposition to both Masky and the tall thin one. Of course... that still leaves open the question as to quite what their intentions towards Jay are. People are saying that they were being helpful towards him, but remember - there's at least some reason to believe that it was Alex's girlfriend using a "contaminated" camera that caught Slendy's attention in #26. So, perhaps getting this camera back to Jay isn't so well-intended...

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KeithXK wrote:
Gah the level of over-thought and here is aggravating.

It is Totheark. Period. This reveal has been building since Entry 39.

Entry 39: Jay sleeps in his car, and we see footage of someone slowly walk by, and never see a face.

Forecast: Totheark's response to Entry 39, where he shows Jay that he was the one walking by, and that he deliberately watched Jay sleep. He then hints that Slenderman will appear in the next entry.

Entry 40: Jay goes into the forest, encounters Slenderman, drops his camera and runs away.

Intermission: Totheark's response to Entry 40, where he says "I WAS THERE WATCHING THE WHOLE TIME, DIDJA SEE ME?!"

Entry 41: Someone picks up the camera after Jay drops it, walks through the forest, takes the camera back to Jay's car, and at the last moment we finally see the ...face... of Totheark. Entry 39 through 41 are all the same event at that park, and Totheark has explicitly stated he was there, and 41 demonstrates that he picked up the camera and took it to the car.

Black Mask is Totheark. Period. To think otherwise is to ignore the facts and overthink things to a ridiculous degree.

The important revelation is the confirmation that Tim/Masky is NOT Totheark. They are separate entities. Also, that Totheark wears a black mask contrasting Tim's white mask.

Now for my speculation.
Totheark is Brian: Revealed via the Advocate video. The significance of this video has never been revealed, unless it's significance is telling us back then that Brian is Totheark. It's the first time we see that weird S logo. Brian's house is also torn up and abandoned, and has weird teleportation properties. Perhaps Brian was taken to the Ark, but was kicked out, and now see's that Jay is involved, and believes he can lead him back.

OR

Totheark is Seth: Seth disappeared in Entry 22, perhaps being taken temporarily to the Ark, glimpsing it, and now he's obsessed with returning, and is using Jay to return.

OR

Totheark is Alex: Alex has been driven stark raving mad by his encounters with Slenderman. The "Help!" at the end of Entry 26 is a legitimate cry for help. The ultimate goal here isn't clear, and may even be a split personality thing going on, but he's pushing Jay towards something, both directly as Alex, and indirectly as Totheark.

I'm also willing to speculate at this point that a Mask will protect you from Slenderman. Or at least obscuring your eyes, as demonstrated in Return.

At this point, I'm almost willing to say that Tim, though certainly insane, is NOT the bad guy here. He may just be trying to stop something terrible from happening. Whatever Totheark is leading Jay towards may be something horrible, and Tim is trying to stop it.


Yeah, I hear you. I've been pretty adamant about Pandaman being TTA. Just couldn't explain why until now.

Although your last theory is interesting and something I never thought about. I like this theory and will likely be using it in the future.

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