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[UPDATE] Aquapolis Incidentlogs [Nov 18]
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Medemia
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[Way Wild Spec]Katgirl was a program from the beginning. She went to the Aquapolis to do security checks, got stuck in a room that was flooding, tried to stop it 3 times. On the fourth time, she started to try to stop it, but got sucked in and became the system itself. Now we've got some psycho program running the Aquapolis security program.[/Way Wild Spec]

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:09 pm
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password from the grave?

i really doubt she was a program or an agent - especially not an agent, since she was reporting back to the agent (and worrying "if they're pleased," which is not agent-like behavior). I doubt she was a some other kind of program too, but mainly because it looks like she died in the warm, crystal-blue waters of the Mediterranean.

But i think it's really important to point out that she was nice enough, in her last moments, to give us one of her passwords. While the water was rising, she was frantically playing a game of "Can I Remember Which of My *&@#ing Passwords I Chose For This Logon Before I Drown?" Personally, I figure that BradPitt is her password for the Metacortechs site, and all we need is an Employee ID.

I couldn't remember if we had one, but nothing came up when I looked around. Anyone have any big ideas on how to get it? Somehow that Regenhardt guy must figure in...

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Giskard
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yanka wrote:
Uhh... did everybody already see this and I am the only one that missed it (I just checked the entire thread, but didn't see anyone mention it)?
Code:
20:08:00-send/systemaok/global



I saw that, but as no-one mentioned it I thought I had just missed it in the previous logs and dismissed it without checking them (duh... lazy!).

What if Kat somehow merged with the Safesys program?? Now that would be scary Smile
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Seems unimportant, but I haven't seen this mentioned yet:
Code:
20:06:21-rec/adminoverride/kdcunningham?laika/delta/delos/13
20:06:24-send/incorrectpassword/delta/delos/13
20:06:37-rec/adminoverride/kdcunningham?notrespassing/delta/delos/13
20:06:40-send/deny/incorrectpassword/delos/13
20:06:46-rec/adminoverride/kdcunningham?bradpitt/delta/delos/13
20:06:49-send/incorrectpassword/delta/delos/13

Any reason why the "incorrectpassword" response at 20:06:40 is different from the other two? Did SafeSys make a mistake? Is SafeSys only.... human...?

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Worker wrote:
Seems unimportant, but I haven't seen this mentioned yet:
Code:
20:06:21-rec/adminoverride/kdcunningham?laika/delta/delos/13
20:06:24-send/incorrectpassword/delta/delos/13
20:06:37-rec/adminoverride/kdcunningham?notrespassing/delta/delos/13
20:06:40-send/deny/incorrectpassword/delos/13
20:06:46-rec/adminoverride/kdcunningham?bradpitt/delta/delos/13
20:06:49-send/incorrectpassword/delta/delos/13

Any reason why the "incorrectpassword" response at 20:06:40 is different from the other two? Did SafeSys make a mistake? Is SafeSys only.... human...?


Maybe it was not Katherine. Just someone that knows her passwords.

But the one that was denied, maybe it was the correct password and SafeSys rejcted it.
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yanka
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Giskard wrote:
What if Kat somehow merged with the Safesys program?? Now that would be scary Smile

I kinda considred that Kat might be a program (after the phonecall and "a-ok" in her e-mail); I just have no idea how she could merge with SafeSys - I mean, if she does, then it's after the password ordeal, so she would only have 1 second to do it Question

That said, "send/systemaok" could not have been sent manually, I don't think - it's only a second after the previous action. The "deny", I think, may be a typo, I dunno...
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yanka wrote:
Giskard wrote:
What if Kat somehow merged with the Safesys program?? Now that would be scary Smile

I kinda considred that Kat might be a program (after the phonecall and "a-ok" in her e-mail); I just have no idea how she could merge with SafeSys - I mean, if she does, then it's after the password ordeal, so she would only have 1 second to do it Question

That said, "send/systemaok" could not have been sent manually, I don't think - it's only a second after the previous action. The "deny", I think, may be a typo, I dunno...


Although I'd find it interesting if Kat had merged with SafeSys (somehow), I still can't bring myself to believe she's a program. True, I don't trust her and I think she has it in for Beth, but someone mentioned quite awhile back that if she were a program, why would she need to log her files, etc. on MetaDex?
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[spec] To me it sounds like Katherine drowned. Her username and password were setup only 3 days before by Naida so not too many people could have known about her having one. Also the 'notrespassing' password was tried and no one could have know that one other than Kat. The way the 4th attempt ends sounds like she was in the middle of typing when she took her last breath.

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Just trying to get the forum back on track here; no other reason for this post.
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Other stuff I only just now noticed, sorry if it seems too obvious (only quoting the relevant lines):

Code:
20:03:25-rec/breach/delta/delos/0046
20:03:35-rec/breach/delta/delos/0047
20:03:59-rec/breach/delta/delos/0048
20:04:22-rec/breach/delta/delos/0045
20:04:27-rec/breach/delta/delos/0044
20:04:50-rec/breach/delta/delos/0041
20:05:22-rec/breach/delta/delos/0042
20:05:22-rec/breach/delta/delos/0043


The breaches are happening very slowly. In the 10/21 logs, there are four breaches in the first second and in the 10/08 logs there are five in the first two seconds!
Also, the breaches have generally been linear. The breach sensors (is that what we assumed they are?) are triggered in a very strange order here.

Code:
20:03:47-rec/manualoverride/delta/delos/13
20:04:14-rec/manualoverride/delta/delos/12
20:04:42-rec/manualoverride/delta/delos/11
20:05:15-rec/manualoverride/delta/delos/13
20:05:34-rec/manualoverride/delta/delos/13
20:05:55-rec/manualoverride/delta/delos/13


Whoever wants to get out actually has time to run from door 13 to door 11 and back. This is also consistent with a slow breach, meaning that they didn't just get swept away, but instead had plenty of time to try to escape.

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Worker wrote:
Other stuff I only just now noticed, sorry if it seems too obvious (only quoting the relevant lines):

Code:
20:03:25-rec/breach/delta/delos/0046
20:03:35-rec/breach/delta/delos/0047
20:03:59-rec/breach/delta/delos/0048
20:04:22-rec/breach/delta/delos/0045
20:04:27-rec/breach/delta/delos/0044
20:04:50-rec/breach/delta/delos/0041
20:05:22-rec/breach/delta/delos/0042
20:05:22-rec/breach/delta/delos/0043


The breaches are happening very slowly. In the 10/21 logs, there are four breaches in the first second and in the 10/08 logs there are five in the first two seconds!
Also, the breaches have generally been linear. The breach sensors (is that what we assumed they are?) are triggered in a very strange order here.

Code:
20:03:47-rec/manualoverride/delta/delos/13
20:04:14-rec/manualoverride/delta/delos/12
20:04:42-rec/manualoverride/delta/delos/11
20:05:15-rec/manualoverride/delta/delos/13
20:05:34-rec/manualoverride/delta/delos/13
20:05:55-rec/manualoverride/delta/delos/13


Whoever wants to get out actually has time to run from door 13 to door 11 and back. This is also consistent with a slow breach, meaning that they didn't just get swept away, but instead had plenty of time to try to escape.


Which suggests, if SafeSys is sentient, that it intentionally murdered Kat, slowly drowning her. Shocked
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Worker wrote:
Code:
20:03:47-rec/manualoverride/delta/delos/13
20:04:14-rec/manualoverride/delta/delos/12
20:04:42-rec/manualoverride/delta/delos/11
20:05:15-rec/manualoverride/delta/delos/13
20:05:34-rec/manualoverride/delta/delos/13
20:05:55-rec/manualoverride/delta/delos/13


Whoever wants to get out actually has time to run from door 13 to door 11 and back. This is also consistent with a slow breach, meaning that they didn't just get swept away, but instead had plenty of time to try to escape.


You know, xnbomb and I talked about this - I was basically wondering where these doors lead to (there is no way out of Delta on Delos within Delos), and he suggested that they lead to a staircase (adjacent levels are Ios and Andros; and the ridiculous thing is that I remember that Surprised )

Actually, let me just repost it (hope he doesn't mind):
xnbomb wrote:
yanka wrote:
Staircase would have been a great guess; but I find it a little difficult to believe that there are so many of them (3 in the last case, and they look like they are close to each other - based on the times it takes to get from on to the other). Internal compartments sounds more plausible...

If I was going to put a staircase in the big modules, I'd put it right up the middle, in a big cylinder. I might even have multiple doors into the staircase cylinder on each level, maybe 4, one facing each direction.
<snip>


So, if he's right, then somebody is running around this cylinder that encases the stairs, trying to open the doors on the sides; his/her attempts are denied, so then he/she decides to stay at door 13 and override the block with a login. The way I see it, Delos basically had 3.5 minutes to get flooded enough for someone to drown (if Kat/whoever did drown, and that's why login attempts stopped) - and while the flooding is happening, they are running/swimming from door to door.
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(Is this, is this) Kat's last exit

yanka wrote:
You know, xnbomb and I talked about this - I was basically wondering where these doors lead to (there is no way out of Delta on Delos within Delos), and he suggested that they lead to a staircase (adjacent levels are Ios and Andros; and the ridiculous thing is that I remember that )

Actually, let me just repost it (hope he doesn't mind):

No, I don't mind a bit Very Happy . I'm glad you posted it, I was still on the fence about its merit as an idea. But now that I think about it ... how bad a design would it be if there was only one way to get out of Delta Delos? There simply have to be other exits, and they have to lead to a way up or down (staircases or ladders I hope, I can't see how to keep an elevator shaft watertight, although I suppose there could be elevators inside a large central column which is watertight ... that would be the place for it since the spheres have small cross-sections at the low and high levels), because the floor plan shows there to be only one exit leaving horizontally from Delta Delos, the hallway to the Guest Modules Very Happy.
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yanka wrote:
You know, xnbomb and I talked about this - I was basically wondering where these doors lead to (there is no way out of Delta on Delos within Delos), and he suggested that they lead to a staircase (adjacent levels are Ios and Andros; and the ridiculous thing is that I remember that Surprised )


There are certainly ones that lead to stairways/elevators. There are probably also ones that serve as pressure bulkheads in rooms and along hallways. If you have seen a ship or submarine disaster movie, you're probably familiar with these kinds of doors. Instead of a hull breach flooding the whole level, it could be confined to a room. Since this is a hotel, I'm guessing they do not have big steel bulkhead doors with bank-vault wheels that you have to step over and through. They probably do a similar thing with those wall-like doors that slide up into the ceiling or walls--the kind that the action hero has to slip through at the last second without being trapped in the water or crushed by the weight of the door closing.
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I generally agree, but I think they have to have some sort of safety chambers between "places". I'm attaching sort of a lame, minimalistic representation of what I think a cross-section of Delta on Delos looks like (it's not really to what I think would be the scale, 'cause then you wouldn't be able to see the elevators; and it's badly aligned etc.)

I think they have an area vulnerable to outer breaches - all around the level. They might have doors between it and the "main" area, but I don't know if that would make sense from an esthetic point of view: it would "look" much better if the level was as open as possible, for panoramic reasons.

Anyway, if they have 5 elevator/stairs shafts, then it totally makes sense that there are 15 numbered doors - around each elevator (I am not sure where 11-13 would actually be, but it doesn't matter). But, if the level is flooding, you shouldn't be able to just open a door to an elevator/stairs, as it would flood them as well. If they have watertight chambers around them, though, you could open the door to the chamber, get in (along with some water), then the door closes, water is drained, and you get in the elevator. Also, that way, when they become operational, should a flood happen when there are a lot of people on the level, there are 5 places for them to go to, thus more chances for everyone to escape safely.

Then door A is inside the same kind of watertight chamber - if the walkway is flooding (which the first camera shot from Oct. 21 seems to be showing), you get into the chamber -> same process -> door closes (door A is the one the drowning dude was trying to open, from the delta side - I think. He could have already been inside the chamber, which would explain the "tile", and it was full of water, but SafeSys wasn't draining it, which is why he couldn't open the door and get out into the [grrr... edit: guest module], on the other side).

That way, it also makes sense that as soon as there is a flood breach, SafeSys seals off the chambers - so that it could open them when people are ready to enter, instead of flooding them as the level gets flooded. Of course, it didn't open any during the incidents (denied manual overrides).
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