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TALL MAN AWARDS 2011
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sje46
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This poll was *not* thought out.

First off, before you have a poll, you have to create the topic at least some time before the voting starts. This is so people can discuss potential issues before people start voting on it. In my opinion, the vote should be stopped *now*.

Secondly,

"IMPORTANT: Additionally, the big three (Marble Hornets, Tribe Twelve and Everyman Hybrids) will be awarded with an HONORARY DIAMOND TALL MAN - as they are so popular they would completely flood the poll "

If they are that popular, that's because they're *really* good. It is *completely* unfair to take them out just because they're really popular. And the fact that they are the most popular doesn't mean they're the best either. Look at how many people think EmH is better than MH, even though MH has like ten times the amount of viewers? To ensure that series don't get an unfair advantage due to their popularity, you should require that everyone has watched everything in the category. That way they will at least be informed. It won't be like the Time Person of the Year poll where everyone votes on Lady Gaga without any idea who Mohamed Bouazizi is.

This is a fantastic opportunity to let people know about alternate blogs/vlogs, but if you're just going to say "you must watch everything to vote on anything" people are just going to flat out *ignore* that because the criteria to vote is too high.

What you *should* have are actual nominations. Only require that people watch the series that are actually worth something. Make it the top 10 or something, instead of "all of them". That way people can actually manage to watch all of the and be informed before voting.

You can have a "best newcomer" category as well.

And what about "scariest moment"?

Also, people should be able to vote on the vlogs without reading all the blogs. You can require that people watch all of them for the best all around series.

I'm sorry, but it seems like you, Anonymousity, just came up with all these rules and categories yourself without any input from any one else. It's a great idea and all...but you're really not being democratic about it. Let's scrap the current vote and do this properly. Who's with me?

PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 1:35 pm
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Noonem
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someone who actually cares and didn't just start this out of boredom should do this type of thing. Otherwise, as you can see, a huge fucking mess.

PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 1:39 pm
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GameGodOfAll
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I'd suggest a nomination topic. Get each category down to 5 and then have people vote on those 5.

PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 1:54 pm
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Anonymousity
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@ sje: See, I also thought about this idea of nominations, but that would force the voter to watch through what has been nominated, which, at times, is very hard due to length and the time of the individual. Also, nobody could check out if the voters do actually watch the nominees or not (the Academy Awards have been criticized many times that they do not guarantee all their members saw all the nominees).
It could be a pro with the various blogs, as there are so many - but again, this could also leave out the possible favorite of voter AB ("My favorites aren't included, but BLOG-A is OK, I guess...") or the time issue of the vlogs.
Also, I never intended to imply people had to "watch everything", but rather leave it open to their taste and time to decide which series they like. You cannot watch and read every series out (and this probably goes with nominees for some busy posters).

As I said, I am keen on having this discussion go on, as some very interesting discussion on the matter have already started, and I'd be glad to move the deadline even further back to allow the ongoing discussions to come to solution.

As for the big three - as I said, the June 1 2010 date still sits fine with me -it is one year ago, so the ones open for consideration all started not too way back. If the public would like to see TT included, then I will gladly do this. Cool

And if needed, I'd be also fine with keeping this to discussion and then opening a new thread once things are settled. But yeah, I want to keep this open to you guys to decide and discuss. Cool

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The Kempest
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Anonymousity wrote:
@ Kempest: You can name any series which came out during or after JUNE 01 2010. The 2011 is only indicative of which year the awards were handed over. Cool


Then this thread is even more confusing than I thought. Like I said, it's May. If we're gonna vote on a year, we should be voting on 2010 because it's already over. If we vote for 2011, the votes will likely change month-to-month, and who wants to keep track of all that?
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Anonymousity
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Well, figuratively speaking, it's:

JUNE 1st 2010 - JUNE 1st 2011

Then again, as you see, there is much discussion currently going on, and before I further continue, I'd like to see these issues being discussed.

Oh, and also, if somebody comes up with a better way of doing this, then I'd be happy to hand it over to somebody. Cool So, maybe we should put this on a hiatus and see what everybody thinks.

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qaqa
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I don't need to be lectured about reading more blogs, and I certainly don't need an awards ceremony set up just to try and force me to read them.

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awakeasaurusrex
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megaswfan wrote:
As someone who fell off the blogosphere, decided it was impenetrable and not as good as the old stuff without looking at it, and then actually decided to try and read it and found out that there were some great stories being told, I come to you with this public service announcement.

Everyone who says blogs are impenetrable and unworthwhile just aren't bothering and it's sad because there is some fantastic stuff out there. Here, let me toss you a few links to blogs you can read in an afternoon:
Yeah, see I've tried reading most of those in the past. Couldn't get into them. Make It Count was OK for a bit until the main character started getting this super-special I AM STRONG AND I OVER COME ADVERSITYYYYY aura about her. I just don't get on with the blog format. That doesn't mean I think all blogs are terrible on an absolute level, but I don't enjoy them at all and I'd be a terrible judge of them because I have no sympathy with those things about the blogs which appeal to people who enjoy the blogs. There is no way someone like me ought to be voting on what the best blogs are - but should it lock me out of voting on the vlogs? I say no. To be honest, if we do these awards I'd say the blogs and vlogs should have separate awards because the two mediums are so utterly different you're comparing apples and oranges.

I'm with sje46. An awards thing is a great idea. What isn't a great idea is one person writing the rules by themselves, without wider consultation, and then throwing open nominations. And what we have in this thread is the worst of all possible worlds - where, after doing just that, Anonymousity is then reconsidering all the rules so there's no reason to believe that the rules we have at the opening of nominations will be the actual rules the awards are judged by. That's a completely horrendous way to run this thing.

My view: scrap the current vote entirely, get some people to thrash out the rules and the categories, and then do this again properly. At this point it's just completely botched.

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qaqa
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It's not that there are not good blogs to seek out, it's that this "awards" chicanery is not the appropriate venue in which to present them to someone and the entire hamhanded strategy behind it is obnoxious and transparent. Just call this the "Read More Blog Awards " or "Blog Awareness Awards" or "Be More Like Slender Nation Awards," but don't try and tell me it's something else. There are some blogs I bother with, but I'm not going to be railroaded into any more by anyone.

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awakeasaurusrex
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qaqa wrote:
It's not that there are not good blogs to seek out, it's that this "awards" chicanery is not the appropriate venue in which to present them to someone and the entire hamhanded strategy behind it is obnoxious and transparent.

Yeah, agreed here. I'd also say (again, but I do think this point needs to be reiterated) that if someone just doesn't like Slendyblogs - or, indeed, Slendyvlogs, that's okay. People are allowed to like what they like, people's personal tastes aren't something you can second-guess or wear down through logical argument.

Again, the mediums are so different you almost can't compare the two; at the very least, you can't say that just because someone enjoys Slendyvlogs they must, by that token, also enjoy Slendyblogs, or vice versa. Different strokes, people.

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Josh Rallus
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Is this voting thing actually going down? If so, the hell do you mean by special effects in a blog?

Either way,

I'd like to nominate the "Angel's Game" for best ending in a Slendervlog.

ohwait

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DaLadybugMan
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qaqa wrote:
It's not that there are not good blogs to seek out, it's that this "awards" chicanery is not the appropriate venue in which to present them to someone and the entire hamhanded strategy behind it is obnoxious and transparent. Just call this the "Read More Blog Awards " or "Blog Awareness Awards" or "Be More Like Slender Nation Awards," but don't try and tell me it's something else. There are some blogs I bother with, but I'm not going to be railroaded into any more by anyone.


Pffffffffthahahahahaha!!!

This is no way anything like that! This is just as much "watch more vlogs" as it is "read more blogs." After all, a lot of people aren't familiar with more than the "Big Three." There's a blog community and a vlog community and they're usually pretty separate. And "Be More Like Slender Nation?" Trust me, a good portion of Slender Nation is people who don't read blogs at all, either. We just have a more vocal group of people who do.

I've got nothing against the people who just can't get into blogs. It's the chucklefucks like you who go "BAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW, I have to READ?" that piss me off. Because you're clearly not even willing to even skim some recommended blogs to see if you like any of them. I bet you have no clue what "Core Theory" means.

*walks off laughing*

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Chukwa
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DaLadyBugMan = Epitome of maturity.

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SublimeInsomnia
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Hey, LadyBug, calm down. Look, I get that you're pissed off by the underexposure that the blogosphere gets, and you're perfectly entitled to be, but you're not helping the case by being a dick to anyone who doesn't read the blogs, any more than these awards are helping by forcing people to read blogs to vote. Seriously, calm the fuck down and stop being so childish.

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qaqa
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DaLadybugMan wrote:
This is no way anything like that!


It absolutely is.

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I've got nothing against the people who just can't get into blogs. It's the chucklefucks like you who go "BAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW, I have to READ?" that piss me off. Because you're clearly not even willing to even skim some recommended blogs to see if you like any of them. I bet you have no clue what "Core Theory" means.


Actually, that's exactly why I don't bother with more blogs, because of happy horseshit like Core Theory and a host of others. Reading has never been my problem; I have been a voracious reader since I was a child. I just don't like what you write.

I actually enjoy several blogs from time to time - from people who don't feel the need to come here and boast to us about how they're kind of a big deal - but I also find a fair amount of the Slenderblogosphere to be operating off the classic, old-as-fuck principles of glorified, derivative Internet-based fanfiction that has leached all horror and scares out of the genre. Often with impenetrable sub-sub-mythos, a lot of unnecessary crossbreeding (I'm in favor of a crossover when it works), and too many self-insert characters who are, of course, always brave, witty, snarky and often some form of "the chosen one." So as for Core Theory, etc., sorry, baby, but if I wanted to read Green Lantern I can go shop at Forbidden Planet.

More to the point of the thread, when an "awards ceremony" eliminates multiple major vlogs, stresses blog exposure and then demands the voters read every single nominee, yes, it seems like a "Read More Blogs" campaign to me. I find that approach dishonest. I'd rather we dispense with the artifice and simply have polite, reasoned posts about a get-out-the-blog effort, instead of trying to railroad people into exploring them. No one's going to respond well to that, least of all me, obviously.

If so many of your recent posts hadn't been these "I'm just as strong as my self-insert!" star turns generally following along the lines of "BAWWWWW NO ONE APPRECIATES MAH BLOGZ," I might be a little more accommodating and polite, but I'm afraid I just can't be bothered being lectured by an Internet Tough Guy who has had his ego bruised. And while I know there are other talented bloggers out there who are much nicer, smarter, and more mature, your overbearing attitude has damaged not only your reputation but also that of the entire blogosphere. You know why I like TrailheadTroll, and actually click his/her blog links? Because he's not an asshole who thinks he's King Turd of Shit Mountain. Follow TT's example. You want people to give blogs a try? You want them to not be scared off? Then don't stride in here like Johnny Motherfucker after a couple belts, growling that we're all "chucklefucks" who can't read if we don't appreciate your fine Blogger/Wordpress artistry. All you've done here is prove my points and hurt countless other blogs with your attitude.

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*walks off laughing*


You mean you TYPED "*walks off laughing,*" right? You TYPED it, you didn't actually walk off? Because this is your keyboard on the Internet, it's not real.

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