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[pravado]

i mean then i think back to when jay first went into brians house during the day time.

some of the doors didn't lead to the same place twice, and after he went through a set of doors he looked down the stairs and it was nighttime and only a minute had passed.

don't know if that was just an idea that thye filmed and scrapped the idea of time travel later on, but w/e. again, the reason i'm done making theories is because of things like this, we don't know what the creators are sticking with and what ideas they're just pretending never happened.

[Caelistis]

Hm..I know the idea of Blasky being...teleported seems to have been quashed (which I agree with) but is it possible for Jay to have been experiencing that? I mean, if Slendy was chasing him, it could have been a sort of disorientation tactic...

Also: I'm rather suspicious of Alex at the moment. Given what seems to have happened fairly recently to him regarding Slendy, he seems far too unconcerned about his being in the woods...XP

[MutantEnemy]

[12th]

DISCLAIMER: Watched the video at work, but since I've only now been able to access the forums, I'm posting my response now - will read threads and clean up later.

EDIT: Okay, cutting some stuff, 'cause of general consensus, moving some to the TTA discussion. You know what, F this, I'm gonna make a TL;DR version.

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Well this answers a few things from the unanswered questions thread:

1. Where is Amy, Alex's GF, after entry #26?

Answer: We don't know, but she's alleged as being not accounted for. Which suggests that she was either Slendy-snatched or ran off, but Alex didn't witness her being hurt or killed.

Of course, this is dependent on how much you trust Alex to report things accurately.

I think everyone caught the person sitting next to the tree at the beginning of the tape. Seems pretty obvious that this is Hoody, but "obvious" is not always true. Feel reasonably certain of this, but then there's another observation:

The wiki points out that at 4:45 there is a beige shape in the back seat of Alex's car which suggests draped cloth/clothing. The shadows within the car, the glare from the window, and lack of focus make it impossible to determine what exactly this blob is. It is beige, though, so it could be the Hoody-hoody. Of course, it could also be a bag or something else. It's too ambiguous. But, that's at least enough to keep the debate going on whether Alex is TTA/Hoody/Both.


I think we can drop the debate that Hoody is Jay. Seems pretty damned unlikely that Jay would walk "a few miles" back to his car, change clothes, then go back in the woods on the off-chance he'd meet Alex while cavorting in the woods. There is a Did Not Do The Research moment here, in regard to general walking pace or distances. A sturdy walk is about 2.5-3.5 miles/hr. That's not "hurrying" but it's not "dragging your feet" either. And that's not accounting for terrain and elevation changes, which can slow you down further. If the fireplace clearing is "a few miles" into the woods (and the parking lot is clearly about a half-mile, give or take, from where the trail starts), I seriously doubt there is enough time for Jay to have changed, recovered the camera, WALKED back to the car (while making videos of water), and then gone back into the woods. Either Jay has no sense of distance & is wrong about how far the clearing is, or really had no damned business telling Alex it would take him 15 minutes to get back to the car when he called in Entry #40 (or both). Running "a couple of miles" in 15 minutes is a pretty good pace, by the way. I don't see Jay as being the kind of person who's in that good of shape, even if he is pretty slim.

On the other hand, there's the very serious question of: how the hell did Hoody get the camera and get back (while WALKING) and beat Jay back to the car? Not to mention that at the beginning of #41, Jay explicitly states that there is "15 minutes of nothing" before the picture comes back, and Hoody retrieves it. Which means we have a timeline of:

#40:

Jay calls Alex, says he'll be back at the car in about 15 minutes.

Jay looks around the clearing for a few minutes.

Operator shows up, EDIT: JAY wisely GTFO of there.

[15 minutes of nothing, which means Jay has a 15 min head start]

#41:

Hoody picks up the camera, walks leisurely back to Jay's car.

Along the way, he tapes water, some trees, and part of his not-hurried trip through the field near the parking lot.

I can account for the idea that Jay edited out parts of the walk back, that makes sense given his prior posts. We don't know how long it took Hoody to make it back to the car. It's possible that Jay just got really damned lost in the woods and took a LOT of time to get back to the car. But the daylight doesn't really look any different than when Jay was found by the Operator. Still an hour might be long enough for Hoody to get back to the car if Jay was REALLY lost. If Jay was running (and he was *running*) around for long than an hour to go "a couple of miles", then ...yeah, I think something else happened while he was in there.

I don't think that much time passed, but since Jay wouldn't be able to answer when he gave up waiting for Jay to go into the woods (he doesn't remember), it's pretty much impossible to make a precise timeline. Something just doesn't "feel" right. Does mask-porting screw with space AND time?

The thing I really want answered now is: Did the hard drive have any contemporaneous footage to the events of #40/#41 (that is, footage which can be time-synched to the footage from Jay's camera), to give Alex an alibi for NOT being Hoody? The start of Entry #42 has Alex turning on the camera - suggesting that he wasn't filming while driving (and thus, we don't know what he was doing). Maybe he was changing tapes when he got to the park, I don't know. It would be great if someone could Twitter Jay and ask if the Hard drive had footage of Alex before he got to the park or while he was driving to the park.

If not, I'm gonna have to start leaning toward TTA on this one: "He Lies".

Oh, here's another stinger for you TTA theorists: Amy. What's her middle and last initial?

[Caelistis]

[Geneaux486]

I never liked the "Alex is a bad guy" theory. I think he's just a guy caught up in a bad situation. As for why he isn't more concerned about the Operator being in those woods, you have to keep in mind that Alex has seen Operator in his own house. I think his reaction sounding more annoyed than surprised is normal given how long Alex has known about this thing, considering the sheer number of times and places he's encountered it. The only thing that surprises me so far is that we haven't seen J outright ask "Okay dude, what the hell is that thing", but that could have happened off camera for all we know with Alex responding "I don't know".

[Yuki]

[MutantEnemy]

[12th]

[freyathedark]

Okay, I admit to being lazy and not wanting to read through 14 pages of what was (within the first 7) the same damn argument. So I'm going to sum up what I noticed:

Amy is missing, presumed alive. How Alex doesn't know where she is, we don't know - perhaps she was Slendynapped.

There is a person under a tree that is most likely Hoody.

Jay was wandering lost through the woods when Alex found him - more than enough time was spent for Hoody to grab the camera and go back to his car.

Alex seemed really pissed that Jay had gone in the woods alone - he threw his phone in the car. He almost definitely knew something was up.

We know where the chest cam came from, but not how Jay ended up with it - this suggests that the hotel they were going to is the one where Jay met Jessica. Alex disappeared shortly before that happened, and left the chest cam behind, probably looking for Amy.

And as so many people have mentioned, YES THE CARS THERE ARE DIFFERENT. IT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FILM ON DIFFERENT DAYS. All this suggests is that the entries were filmed on different days and times. It should just be ignored, as you can't really tell anything from what cars were supposed to be there.

That's all I can think of, really.

[ViolentViolet]

Given that Alex has been putting up with the Slenderman on and off for a few years, he knows that one sighting won't kill Jay.

but still, wouldn't Jay know by now what 'that thing' was? The thing that was the centre of Alex's videos, the thing that halted filming of 'Marble Hornets'. IT'S A BIT SIGNIFICANT, JAY.

BUT ALSO, since they went to a hotel later to discuss it and assuming it's the same hotel Jay wakes up from, can we also assume that this 'meeting' is when they decide to keep their tapes in a locked box?

And that TTA Blaski/Masky is watching them all the while/ IS ALEX and therefore knows the code?

[FashionBadger]

[Feiticera]

Great entry IMO, has answered a few questions and pushed the story forward a little.

I just want to consolidate what has been said on this thread to try and clear up any confusion as there seems to be alot of debate on some of the basic points of this Entry. Also just want to point out that this just my opinion of what happened feel free to pick it apart.

Entry #40; Jay wanders into the woods and encounters the Operator, books it most likely in the opposite direction from his car and gets lost explaining why it took so long for him to get back in Entry #42.

Entry #41; Hoody most likely watches Jay's Operator encounter hidden in the trees, then retrieves the camera and takes it back to Jay's car, he gets there before Alex arrives, and places the camera in the passenger seat of Jay's car. He purposefully points the camera, still filming, facing toward the windscreen and purposefully reveals himself, he then walks out of shot in the direction of the tree.

Entry #42; Alex arrives at Rosswood park, attaches the chestcam to himself and gets out of his car (His hands are both clearly visible and free from holding a camera at 1:23), his camera catches Hoody sat under the tree (IMO this is Hoody, who I also believe to be TTA, because it fits with all his previous behavior and messages, revealing himself in 41, letting Jay know he was watching him in the Forecast and Intermission videos and the constant reminders that he's always there and watching. Getting caught on film again is just another way of giving this message to Jay).
From Jay's answerphone message Alex learns that Jay is in the forest so he goes after him. At some point inside the forest Jay runs past him and off into the distance back towards the carpark, Alex follows but at a slower pace and finally catches up with Jay who is sitting against a tree.
After finding out that Jay has had an encounter with the ''that thing'' and that Jay dropped his camera they head back towards their cars at which point this is said,

A ''you saw what was on the video I sent you''
J ''and you have no clue where Amy is?''
A ''no''
J ''well what do you want me to do about it?''
A Help me Jay! alright, look we have a better chance of finding her together''.

Alex is talking about Amy, his girlfriend from Entry #26 who it seems was taken by the Operator during the encounter on the tape that Alex sent Jay, I think this explains why Alex has been acting like an asshole in season 2 as he is acting like time is of the essence, at this point I'd guess that nearly two weeks have gone by since she was taken and the longer he takes to find her the more likely it is that he wont get to her before she's dead. Alex has zero patience right now and gets frustrated with Jay's derping around.

Sorry about the length of this post, I've had all day to go over it in my head due to the maintenance issues. I noticed a couple of other things but will post them separately.

[dinorobo]

-after looking through 14 pages of theories and speculation-

I got it:

Evan is TTA. Dahlia is Hoody. Sparky is Slendeman.
I win an Internet.

[12th]

Okay: TL;DR and revision of my last post, with 20% less wall of text.

1. Entry #42 is probably supposed to blow the Alex/Jay = Blasky/TTA theories out of the water. Likelihood of TTA/Blasky = Alex is probably cut down by at least 50%, and is mostly only sustained by the beige lump in his back seat.

TTA/Blasky= Jay is pretty much down to ~0%, and most of the support for that would have to be pure Insane Troll Logic. Just doesn't seem likely.

2. I think we have reasonable evidence that the canopied pathway in #42 is the panic pathway in #29. The way the trees are arranged look pretty similar. On top of that, it's a very intentionally chosen shot that Jay edited in as part of the entry, so it's likely that Jay himself thinks its the same place.

3. We find out that Amy (Alex's GF) is not dead, and is somehow missing. More on this in a moment.

4. Blasky somehow beat Jay out of the forest, which seems damned amazing since Jay had at least a 15 minute head start on Blasky. Blasky was walking, filiming water, and other stuff. He was not in a hurry. One could argue that Jay got really, REALLY lost, but it seems amazing that Blasky walk "a couple of miles" so quickly.

Possible theories: teleportation, or time manipulation (as seen in The House in Entry 23), or Jay just doesn't freaking know how far a "couple of miles" is (definitely not able to be walked in 15 minutes), or there was a significant amount of time between end of #40 and when Jay was found in #42 (2+ hrs? Daylight doesn't seem to support)

Okay, moving on to future theories:

1. Alex is lying: TTA has said someone is lying to someone. My guess: Alex is lying about Amy. He does know what happened to her, or isn't at all concerned with getting her back. He wants Jay involved and at his command. Obviously Jay does not have a problem playing the passive hero (even if he is somewhat hesitant). More on this in a minute.

2. Entry #29 Footage is Alex, not Jay. 50/50 on this one, but the Operator has been after Alex longer. Possible that something new happens to Alex in the future and Jay gets his chestcam.

3. Entry #29 and Entry #38 footage are still in the future. #38 might be a future visit after this one, with more controlled circumstances.

4. Back to point one: Alex INTENDED to set up Jay, possibly to meet/hunt the Operator while they were at Rosswood, but had a very different plan in mind. This got kiboshed when Jay went into the woods alone and met the Operator. This might explain why Jay was so PO'd, he's having to reformulate a new plan. This MIGHT have something to do with Amy (a trade off?), or it might be something else. I think what we see in Entry #38 is in line with what Alex was/is planning, with Jay being ominously led forward like a lamb.

5. Is Jay's camera now "infected" by the Operator like Alex's original MH camera was? Will it summon him now? I ask this because the camera was reported in #41 to have "nothing" on it for 15 minutes. Which means it was working, but having no picture (the picture returns at the very beginning of #41). Is this an effect of cameras coming in direct contact with the Operator?

Anyway. That's what I got for now. Wasn't any shorter, sorry.