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Are slender series' too broad?
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qaqa
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I'd like to thank you for mentioning Man of the Year.

Wait - no. Gah. I was thinking of Woman Of The Year, the Katharine Hepburn/Spencer Tracy movie. My mind is gone.
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qaqa wrote:
I'd like to thank you for mentioning Man of the Year.

Wait - no. Gah. I was thinking of Woman Of The Year, the Katharine Hepburn/Spencer Tracy movie. My mind is gone.


I can never think of a good reason to be thankful for Man of the Year... but it does serve as a good example now and then.

But your welcome for making you think I made you think about Woman of the Year when I actually was making you think about Man of the Year instead.... I think.

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agreatdivorce wrote:
I can never think of a good reason to be thankful for Man of the Year..


Nor can I; you can imagine my mortification when my blinkered, addled brain realized my mistake. I mean, I have all sorts of terrible, tacky taste, but latter-day Robin Williams is a bridge too far even for me.
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TheFallenenvoy
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ChildOfAtom wrote:
I think the problem, (and this response can equally go to the "Why are Proxies Needed?" thread) is that Slender Man never fucking does anything.


Oh you just wait /grins manically knowing he should not refer to his own creations Razz

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Lewa wrote:
SublimeInsomnia wrote:
"I watched Marble Hornets for the first time after season 2 started and found that I thought it had been better left as a standalone series."

Marble Hornets is a standalone series. What are you talking about?
Maybe he means it was better before season 2 was added? (If that's the case, I agree.)


Precisely. I shouldn't type at 6 in the morning. Although I am a "she" if you wouldn't mind.

I think my problem is that tying up loose ends gets crazy towards the end and it seems like some issues have been dropped or are no longer consistently important. I was a little irritated when HABIT disappeared. The major antagonist that actually interacts with characters and fans disappeared in the middle of a mini-game. I think it's more the fact that they didn't plan everything out to keep everything going smoothly and moving at a pace that didn't cause major drag. I think that's why I think EMH is too big, it seems like it may be too big to handle. On a shoestring budget there may be some clamping down on characters and subplots.

Also, Lovecraft did pad out his stories but I think he got paid by the word. The longer the story is the more he got.(FYI "Call of Cthulhu" when published in Weird Tales was 30 pages http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/fiction/cc.asp) And really he wasn't "padding" in the same sense as "adding in non-relevant information for the sake of keeping people interested" it was more of a way to develop the universe in which all of his fiction took place. Frank Herbert worked in a similar manner, but was able to contain the 20 or so years in which Dune took place into one fairly short paperback by knowing when to provide detail and when to let it rest.

Either way, it's just my opinion. I suppose I have a problem with wanting things tight, brief, and to the point. I can't stand meandering.
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To be honest? This is where I actually feel it is right to say "We're talking amateur fiction here, calm down." These aren't stories which always have a cohesive end in mind by the time they're started. Often these blogs start, then the author watches a /reeeally/ good TV show and decides he wants to add in a wise-cracking doctor or three who solve diseases nobody else can figure out (I've been watching a lot of House lately, so sue me), or decides he wants to add in a subplot, then he watches another show (or reads a book like a real man) and suddenly he's stuck with a huge, expansive tangle of plotlines that he can't reconcile. I don't think that is a problem with the series, it's a problem with the folk writing it; and I wouldn't even say it's a massive issue, it's just how writing on the fly works sometimes. So plotlines do get dropped, and ideas get cut down, out of the need to drive the story forward.

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Are Slenderseries' too broad? Hm, I'd say yes and no.

You could argue yes, due to the fact that most of the time we really don't know what's going on. I don't think anyone outside of the creators can look at any of the series we are currently dealing with and explain with ease what is happening. But, that leads me to this next point.

You could argue no, because I don't look at any of these series' as simply horror. No, I think you could easily consider them mystery as well. A good mystery never lets the audience in all the way. Not until the very end should you have a decent grasp on what has happened, and even then it's good to hold back on some details. If we knew right off the bat who totheark was, or what Masky wants, or why the Rake is in EMH or what exactly happened to Milo in TribeTwelve then none of these things would be interesting to us. It's that mystery that has us coming back for more. We hope that eventually we will understand what's going on.

Now, some series' in particular do become a bit too broad. I still don't really know what happened in Angel's Game. I've been following EMH from the beginning, but if you held a gun to my head I still wouldn't be able to give you an accurate summary. Not to single anyone out, but there are definitely some cases where things are just too confusing. That's the key here, I think. You have to find a balance between "complete nonsense" and "putting all cards on the table". The audience should know just enough so that they don't become lost, but are still scratching their heads every once and awhile. This is much easier said than done, of course.

At the end of all of this, we can only hope that the creators themselves understand what's going on. If they do, then we can trust that eventually we'll be on the same page as them.

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ChildOfAtom wrote:
I think the problem, (and this response can equally go to the "Why are Proxies Needed?" thread) is that Slender Man never fucking does anything.

There's a reason that SM was such a splash on the original SA threads, and that's because he was visually imposing and visually horrifying.


Thing is, though, that in the original SA thread the Slender Man was, by and large, actively malevolent (or at least active, depending on how you interpret The Slender Man and its motivations). Yes, it was lurking in the background, but it was lurking in the background of something it had caused. The idea of Slender Man as lurking came later.

This idea of a lurking Slender Man tends to make it one of the least important aspects of the stories nominally based around it. As the focus moves away from the Slender Man and on to the characters (who are dealing with a largely passive villain), this creates some of the feeling of being too big that JustAQ was talking about.

As I've stated before (on those rare occasions that I actually post), I think part of this is caused by the almost formulaic manner in which in the Slender Man is portrayed, and in how the stories are executed. We've come to expect the stories to focus more on the characters than on the villain, and that the bulk of the actual occurrences will be carried out by whatever totheark-expy shows up in that particular story, because the Slender Man clearly is involved in some sort of conspiracy with many human conspirators (and is primarily focused on/driven by them rather than the Slender Man).

I'm not trying to knock these tropes or the stories that use them -- I've enjoyed many of them in their time. But as the more popular stories are emulated more and more, we encounter this sort of sprawl of characters and subplots, and frankly, it often ends up being a mess.

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Honestly love threads like this, they give me a tiny bit of hope that my groups vlog isn't going to be looked at as destroying the idea of slendy.

I'm in agreement with Agnol. Slendy hasn't become stale just yet, but he will if all he does is watch people through windows. I know for the sake of dramatic story telling you can't have slendy just ripping the protagonist in half during the first episode. It would be awesome yeah, but not a very good story.

But I'm only willing to suspend my belief so much you know? Marble Hornets has got to be the worst case of this. Jay has been within inches of slendy and nothing came of it. Jay simply ran off. What does that say to the viewer? Slendy isn't a really big threat. I know I'm not very frightened of something I can get away from quite easily apparently.

I'd much prefer a more direct slendy, which is what my group plan to do. Some of our ideas may be controversial, not everyone's going to like them but that's the way it is. Win some you lose some.

Stuff like the TJAProjects work quite well. Sure, slendy does just observe occasionally but he's usually on the attack. Burning one of the girls throats with his hand for example. It's this kind of stuff that puts some fear back into the mythos and makes slendy less like a slightly creepy tree.

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I think a large part of the problem has to do with MH's unique nature (at the time) leading fans to believe that their framework was the end-all, be-all of ARGs.

God forbid a good portion of the plot discussion gets hosted on an ARG community board... wait.

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zbeeblebrox
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To broad?? Personally I think they're too narrow in scope. Look at all these series, all done from a similar point of view, all focused on the same ghost/monster/being called Slenderman, a creature which always follows a specific set of patterns. They're like sonnets in that way, all adhering to the same rules and trying to be creative within the confines of these strict though unspoken limitations.

What we need is some free verse up in here.

Hell, why not just a vlog about only the Rake. Or, for that matter, some other creepypasta monster that hasn't been touched on. You wouldn't be hard pressed to break away from the tried and true format, just switch up the antagonist.

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I guess I'll go against the grain a little bit.


For the straightforward question: No, I don't think the slender series are too broad.


That said, I think there is a place for a more concise, lesser-reaching series. Not all series need to span months(years) and have mutliple characters and acts.

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To be honest?

If EMH, MH, TT, TJAP, TAJ, or DH0 got too simple, I'd lose interest. So fast.

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Ouroborus wrote:
That said, I think there is a place for a more concise, lesser-reaching series. Not all series need to span months(years) and have mutliple characters and acts.


Indeed, that's another thing that's missing, are some more concise series. I would not be against seeing a rash of very short, conclusive slender vlogs that begin and end within the course of a couple months, or even a single month.

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